Connor and O’Cyrus at the minimum should help cut down on these type of things

[ProcessTruster]

I admire the way Beane can recognize a miss, be sure that the contracts are only one year and just go back to work and fix it.   Had Ike been healthy, Saffold would have found the bench quickly.   

 

Josh's contract makes it challenging for sure.  Cinci about to find that out the hard way.  

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Spencer Brown had no last college season due to COVID, then almost no camp, then last year no ota’s,

minicamp, or training camp due to back and neck injuries which is the metaphoric Achilles heel for an O Lineman.

 

Im not making apologies or excuses for him.  I’m simply stating facts and this off season he can participate in all of it, and is most likely healthy.  Kramer has this off season to work with him and advance his development.  That’s why McBeane continue to support him.  They are not quick to pass judgment as his raw talent got him through his rookie season and he put powered everyone.

 

His RAS score is 100.  That’s what Beane, McD, and Dorsey, and Kroger see.

 

Now another poor year and there are no excuses and you’ll hear no argument from me.  I’ve been wrong before like I was ready to give up on Lnox when he finally put it together with his hands and tied the league in 9 touchdown catches two years ago.  The staff was more loyal to him than I.

You guys have no argument from

me on our guards in 22.  Bates and Boettger are nothing but backups.

 

I have cautious optimism on McGovern and Mt. O Cyrus.  This coupled with faster backs and a 6’5” F TE/Slot WR can be the very thing to provide hope this year.  I like many wish we had D. Hop, but that ship sailed.  We’ll have to make the most of our current stable of Diggs, DK squared for 12, Davis, Sherfield, Harty, and Shakir.

 

It’s almost odd to say a team that was #2 and #3 in two important offensive categories to think we can be better.

 

The defense is more about our draft, free agency, and a full year for Tre to get better.

 

Fact is Brown's a bum

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Fact is Brown's a bum

 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

 

 

Phil Hartmann was the best cast member ever

[pennstate10]

16 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Spencer Brown had no last college season due to COVID, then almost no camp, then last year no ota’s,

minicamp, or training camp due to back and neck injuries which is the metaphoric Achilles heel for an O Lineman.

 

Im not making apologies or excuses for him.  I’m simply stating facts and this off season he can participate in all of it, and is most likely healthy.  Kramer has this off season to work with him and advance his development.  That’s why McBeane continue to support him.  They are not quick to pass judgment as his raw talent got him through his rookie season and he put powered everyone.

 

His RAS score is 100.  That’s what Beane, McD, and Dorsey, and Kroger see.

 

Now another poor year and there are no excuses and you’ll hear no argument from me.  I’ve been wrong before like I was ready to give up on Lnox when he finally put it together with his hands and tied the league in 9 touchdown catches two years ago.  The staff was more loyal to him than I.

You guys have no argument from

me on our guards in 22.  Bates and Boettger are nothing but backups.

 

I have cautious optimism on McGovern and Mt. O Cyrus.  This coupled with faster backs and a 6’5” F TE/Slot WR can be the very thing to provide hope this year.  I like many wish we had D. Hop, but that ship sailed.  We’ll have to make the most of our current stable of Diggs, DK squared for 12, Davis, Sherfield, Harty, and Shakir.

 

It’s almost odd to say a team that was #2 and #3 in two important offensive categories to think we can be better.

 

The defense is more about our draft, free agency, and a full year for Tre to get better.

I think people may not realize how much the lost Covid year and back injury set Brown back. 
It’s been said that it takes 10,000 hours to become truly expert at any physical task, whether it’s playing the violin, pitching, or soccer. You can debate the 10,000 hour limit, but practice and reps are important. As opposed to most nfl OL, who have been playing OL since high school, Brown didn’t convert to tackle until his 3rd year in college. Given the missed time due to Covid and back injury, it’s fair to say that Brown is still on the steep part of the learning curve. This is an important year. 
 

By the way, don’t sleep on Bates. Watched all of his and McGoverns games in college. I think Bates is a better guard. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Bates at LG and McGovern/Torrence at RG. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

I think people may not realize how much the lost Covid year and back injury set Brown back. 
It’s been said that it takes 10,000 hours to become truly expert at any physical task, whether it’s playing the violin, pitching, or soccer. You can debate the 10,000 hour limit, but practice and reps are important. As opposed to most nfl OL, who have been playing OL since high school, Brown didn’t convert to tackle until his 3rd year in college. Given the missed time due to Covid and back injury, it’s fair to say that Brown is still on the steep part of the learning curve. This is an important year. 
 

By the way, don’t sleep on Bates. Watched all of his and McGoverns games in college. I think Bates is a better guard. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Bates at LG and McGovern/Torrence at RG. 

 

If Bates is such a good guard why was he so average last year? Okay he played better (though not as well as the hype) on the left side the last 6 weeks of 2021 but eventually you are what your tape says you are.

[Buffalo716]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Bates is such a good guard why was he so average last year? Okay he played better (though not as well as the hype) on the left side the last 6 weeks of 2021 but eventually you are what your tape says you are.

He’s a great spot starter 

 

but he hasn’t shown the consistency to be the guy I want manning my inside 

[TAinLack.]

20 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Can't resist.

 

From defense to offense......

 

Never gets old!!!!

[SoMAn]

Dorsey and Allen can mask a lot of o- line deficiencies with quick developing dink and dunk plays that don’t rely on linemen holding blocks for more than a couple of seconds. 
Brady and the Patriots made a career out of it with ever changing lineups in front. 
Cut down on Allen scrambling around, searching for an open receiver. Keep the chains moving with short crisp timing passes.  Reduce 3rd and long situations. Improved time of possession, keeping their D fresh. Put points on the board. 
 

Don’t need an all-star o-line with that approach. 

[Don Otreply]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Phillips had two hamstring injuries. He has a history of hamstring injuries during his time with the Cardinals. And he underperformed when healthy except for week 1. 

 

My problem with Settle was never Settle per se. It was that they felt the need to have 4 established, paid, vets in the DT rotation (at the moment it looks like 5 this year!) and that money comes from other areas on the roster. Whether that is OL, WR, TE, a better backup QB.... a better bet LB this year than AJ... it is the opportunity cost as much as Settle not playing that well IMO.

Many here have mentioned allocation of resources as an issue over the last year or so, what you have spoken to is an an example of not using more of those resources on the O-line where it would have been better used, jmo. 
 

We as fans can only lament, or celebrate, tis the nature of the beast…, 

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Fact is Brown's a bum

He's unproven for sure. He has a lot developing to do. I get the Bills are not giving up on him. However, I did expect some competition for him. That position is very vital to the offense. Seems a bit problematic.

[newcam2012]

14 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Dorsey and Allen can mask a lot of o- line deficiencies with quick developing dink and dunk plays that don’t rely on linemen holding blocks for more than a couple of seconds. 
Brady and the Patriots made a career out of it with ever changing lineups in front. 
Cut down on Allen scrambling around, searching for an open receiver. Keep the chains moving with short crisp timing passes.  Reduce 3rd and long situations. Improved time of possession, keeping their D fresh. Put points on the board. 
 

Don’t need an all-star o-line with that approach. 

This is the wrong approach in my opinion. Look at the Chiefs success. Their Oline is a key part of their success. Conversely, the Bills Oline had been a nemesis for years now. 

 

The game is still largely won in the trenches. 

[SoMAn]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

This is the wrong approach in my opinion. Look at the Chiefs success. Their Oline is a key part of their success. Conversely, the Bills Oline had been a nemesis for years now. 

 

The game is still largely won in the trenches. 

If they’re able to quickly assemble a better than average line, I’m with you. 
My suggestion is a method to be as efficient as possible when there are existing holes that can’t be easily filled. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

If they’re able to quickly assemble a better than average line, I’m with you. 
My suggestion is a method to be as efficient as possible when there are existing holes that can’t be easily filled. 

That makes sense. What frustrates me is that the Bills Oline has been a problem for seemingly a decade and maybe more. Certainly, during Beane's tenure it's been a consistent theme. This year's oline is hopefully better. 

[Bills!Win!]

Football is a game of inches and seconds. If you give Allen two improved guards and that buys him 1 second every play, we could win the superbowl

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

This is the wrong approach in my opinion. Look at the Chiefs success. Their Oline is a key part of their success. Conversely, the Bills Oline had been a nemesis for years now. 

 

The game is still largely won in the trenches. 

The O-line is the fulcrum that allows the offense to leverage its weapons, some GMs won’t wrap their minds around this fact. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

That's actually a great play design... if your LG is eligible. 

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Dorsey and Allen can mask a lot of o- line deficiencies with quick developing dink and dunk plays that don’t rely on linemen holding blocks for more than a couple of seconds. 
Brady and the Patriots made a career out of it with ever changing lineups in front. 
Cut down on Allen scrambling around, searching for an open receiver. Keep the chains moving with short crisp timing passes.  Reduce 3rd and long situations.

 

Allen might not be that kind of QB though. He is a gunslinger at heart. Does he have the mentality to play that kind of short quick passing game? And does he have the skill set to do it consistnetly?

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Dorsey and Allen can mask a lot of o- line deficiencies with quick developing dink and dunk plays that don’t rely on linemen holding blocks for more than a couple of seconds. 
Brady and the Patriots made a career out of it with ever changing lineups in front. 
Cut down on Allen scrambling around, searching for an open receiver. Keep the chains moving with short crisp timing passes.  Reduce 3rd and long situations. Improved time of possession, keeping their D fresh. Put points on the board. 
 

Don’t need an all-star o-line with that approach. 

 

Brady only had 1 really bad offensive line in New England that I recall. Generally the oline was a strength of those teams through multiple iterations. Though obviously Brady got the ball out so fast which helped too.

 

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Brady only had 1 really bad offensive line in New England that I recall. Generally the oline was a strength of those teams through multiple iterations. Though obviously Brady got the ball out so fast which helped too.

 

The failure to build a really solid oline has cost the Bills playoff wins and likely Super Bowl wins. 

[SoMAn]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

The failure to build a really solid oline has cost the Bills playoff wins and likely Super Bowl wins. 

I imagine it’s difficult to distribute limited cap dollars to have the best guys in the trenches AND at skill positions. Tough choices for a GM. There isn’t a team in the league that doesn’t have a weakness somewhere.