Bills Sign Former First Rounder Shane Ray (now released with injury settlement)

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

5 winning seasons in a dozen years.  They've been insignificant for the past 7.  has made a joke of the QB position. For 10 of his 12 seasons, Von Miller was the best player on the roster.  Since Kubiak walked away, he has employed 4 straight up bums. 

 

 

He was only the GM for 10 years before getting the boot "up" after 2020......which was mostly to finish out his employment terms.  He's not even employed by the Broncos in any capacity at this point.    His biggest mistake was passing on Josh Allen.   Simple as that.   Practically a local prospect playing at Wyoming that Elway had spent a lot of time scouting.   In December of 2017 I'd have thought Allen would be the Broncos pick if on the board.   But Elway was impatient and chasing results and having built two SB teams in different styles he was probably over-confident in his decision making.   Sustained success requires taking shots at young QB's until one pans out.    I think JA17 took Denver passing on him personally.   

[John from Riverside]

23 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, at least he can fly
He can fly

He can fly

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He was only the GM for 10 years before getting the boot "up" after 2020......which was mostly to finish out his employment terms.  He's not even employed by the Broncos in any capacity at this point.    His biggest mistake was passing on Josh Allen.   Simple as that.   Practically a local prospect playing at Wyoming that Elway had spent a lot of time scouting.   In December of 2017 I'd have thought Allen would be the Broncos pick if on the board.   But Elway was impatient and chasing results and having built two SB teams in different styles he was probably over-confident in his decision making.   Sustained success requires taking shots at young QB's until one pans out.    I think JA17 took Denver passing on him personally.   

 

They soured on him because he ran the team into the ground.  Passing on Allen didn't help, but several other morons passed on Allen as well, so Elway isn't uniquely dumb for that reason...

 

Look at his QBs after Manning passed away in the 2015 season.  In successive seasons, his top passers were Siemian (twice), Keenum, Flacco, Lock and Teddy B.    He also passed on Russell Wilson, taking Brock Osweiler instead.  He drafted Paxton Lynch (who was just run out of the XFL) because he didn't know what else to do. He drafted Chad Kelly!!! This is a HOF QB who can't understand how to draft a QB!   His  2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017 (Garett Bolles!!!) drafts were whiffs but for a few long term starters. Not satisfied with his Paxton Lynch debacle, he doubled down with Drew Lock.

 

He's a bonehead.  His best moves were Miller and rolling the dice on Manning's broken neck.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Loved his story at the draft but I forgot he was in the league. Worth kicking the tires on but unless he did some major Roids while he was out of the league, I don’t see it. But crazier things have happened.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They soured on him because he ran the team into the ground.  Passing on Allen didn't help, but several other morons passed on Allen as well, so Elway isn't uniquely dumb for that reason...

 

Look at his QBs after Manning passed away in the 2015 season.  In successive seasons, his top passers were Siemian (twice), Keenum, Flacco, Lock and Teddy B.    He also passed on Russell Wilson, taking Brock Osweiler instead.  He drafted Paxton Lynch (who was just run out of the XFL) because he didn't know what else to do. He drafted Chad Kelly!!! This is a HOF QB who can't understand how to draft a QB!   His  2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017 (Garett Bolles!!!) drafts were whiffs but for a few long term starters. Not satisfied with his Paxton Lynch debacle, he doubled down with Drew Lock.

 

He's a bonehead.  His best moves were Miller and rolling the dice on Manning's broken neck.

 

 

 

 

To the highlighted.......Elway built both the highest scoring offense ever and THEN totally re-tooled on defense on the fly and built a top 10 all-time D just 2 seasons later.

 

And the foundation he started with was a roster that was overmatched against Chan Gailey's 2011 Bills because they were significantly less talented.

 

The first 5 years of his regime were remarkable.   After that........a lot of bad decisions.   Similar to Seattle in that regard........historically great moves in the span of a couple seasons that vaulted them to the top of the NFL.........then a lot of almost inexplicably bad ones.

 

Bottom line........same amount of SB rings as HOF GM Bill Polian.......and more than the Bills.   I wish Beane could have been that much of a "bonehead" in his first 5 years.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

He was just interviewed on Xirius NFL Radio.  Sounds like a very hard working and humbled determined person.

 

Discussed at length all his adversity, very appreciative to have a shot.  He has the same agent as Von Miller so I assume (he didn't say it) that is what opened the door.  Shane talked about how humbling the last 4 years have been including he even went to a "hub workout" and to  the Missouri pro day this year to show off what he can still do. "Has a lot left in the tank", has been in Tampa at the "trench Academy" trying to build up lower body strength and try to be more than just a third down rush the passer players.  Knows quite a few Bills notably Mitch Morse.

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

To the highlighted.......Elway built both the highest scoring offense ever and THEN totally re-tooled on defense on the fly and built a top 10 all-time D just 2 seasons later. And the foundation he started with was a roster that was overmatched against Chan Gailey's 2011 Bills because they were significantly less talented. The first 5 years of his regime were remarkable.   After that........a lot of bad decisions.   Similar to Seattle in that regard........historically great moves in the span of a couple seasons that vaulted them to the top of the NFL.........then a lot of almost inexplicably bad ones.

 

Bottom line........same amount of SB rings as HOF GM Bill Polian.......and more than the Bills.   I wish Beane could have been that much of a "bonehead" in his first 5 years.

 

 

To the highlighted regarding John Elway, Brandon Beane just completed his 5th draft with the Bills. In those drafts he's selected 39 players.

 

Statistically this would be considered a small sample size... not enough to have much statistical validity.

 

Beyond the small sample size there's also an element of luck as it applies to good and bad offseasons. There's no debating that all clubs have hits and misses. NFL GMs have a small window in which to establish themselves. That means it's imperative that they have near-immediate success. The problem is that player personnel success is not predictable or proportional...  some offseasons are epic and others are forgettable. With bad luck you might start your tenure with no appreciable improvement and you'll get fired. In other cases if you had 2-3 solid offseasons at the front end of your tenure, it'ill probably buy you some goodwill when the pendulum of luck swings the other way... as in the case of Elway.

 

My point is that although many perceive the success and failure of GMs as fairly clear cut, there's a lot of luck involved. Most NFL GMs are fired based on short term results (small sample size) which are not necessarily a reflection of their competencies. In many cases they just weren't afforded enough time.

 

As it applies to Beane, his most recent drafts have come under some criticism but employing the same systems and methodology (trusting the process), there's no telling when he might have a draft for the ages. And this is true for most GMs because none of them are infallible and many of them are simply not given a fair chance, especially those that get off to a slow start. 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Sierra Foothills

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

To the highlighted regarding John Elway, Brandon Beane just completed his 5th draft with the Bills. In those drafts he's selected 39 players.

 

Statistically this would be considered a small sample size... not enough to have much statistical validity.

 

Beyond the small sample size there's also an element of luck as it applies to good and bad offseasons. There's no debating that all clubs have hits and misses. NFL GMs have a small window in which to establish themselves. That means it's imperative that they have near-immediate success. The problem is that player personnel success is not predictable or proportional...  some offseasons are epic and others are forgettable. With bad luck you might start your tenure with no appreciable improvement and you'll get fired. In other cases if you had 2-3 solid offseasons at the front end of your tenure, it'ill probably buy you some goodwill when the pendulum of luck swings the other way... as in the case of Elway.

 

My point is that although many perceive the success and failure of GMs as fairly clear cut, there's a lot of luck involved. Most NFL GMs are fired based on short term results (small sample size) which are not necessarily a reflection of their competencies. In many cases they just weren't afforded enough time.

 

As it applies to Beane, his most recent drafts have come under some criticism but employing the same systems and methodology (trusting the process), there's no telling when he might have a draft for the ages. And this is true for most GMs because none of them are infallible and many of them are simply not given a fair chance, especially those that get off to a slow start. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah with Elway it's just kinda' simple though.........he built the highest scoring offense in NFL history and then built one of the greatest defenses in NFL history and won a SB with it.......all in the first 5 years of his regime.

 

That's just "scoreboard".........and that's the NFL way of evaluating your production..........in part because the NFL is such a small sample size league/game.

 

He won't be remembered as a great GM but there have been lots of GM's who had more consistent results but are forgotten because they didn't win a SB or build anything truly special.   Right now, Beane is squarely in that group.   He's the "architect" of teams that have won in the regular season but not the playoffs and also fallen short of expectations.   Like a John Butler or AJ Smith, for example.    Guys who will be largely forgotten outside of the cities they worked in.

 

[BringBackFlutie]

On 5/15/2023 at 11:41 AM, Logic said:

As someone who would do just about anything for some good nuts, I figured you'd understand.

 

Is Josh Allen (or a likeness of him.  Or his Jersey. Or a towel with his name sharpied on it) involved in this scenario?

[Warriorspikes51]

Again, he has a Kansas City Chiefs tatt on his back. This is an enemy spy among us friends 😆

[Nephilim17]

Normally, I don't really get too wrapped up in articles about a player's struggle and determination, yada yada yada. Everyone's got struggles and has faced adversity. But this one resonated with me. Shane's relationship with his mom, falling to dark depths (the article doesn't say how dark but suggests, at least to me, it was really bad), and despite the stats saying it won't work he keeps trying...

 

I'll be rooting for this guy. I don't expect him to be starter but I'd love to see him play a couple years in the NFL as a quality backup.

 

And I love his prediction about winning the SB with Buffalo.

 

A long read but a good one, I think.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/shane-ray-finds-a-new-chance-with-buffalo-bills-i-couldnt-quit-no-matter-what/article_8ab8c378-f839-11ed-af94-43edbd0bab33.html

[Saxum]

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

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The Bills have signed OT Garrett McGhin and RB Ty Johnson to one-year deals, the team announced Monday.

Buffalo also placed OT Tommy Doyle and DE Shane Ray on Injured Reserve (IR).

 

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

4 weeks for Ray?

[Saxum]

He likely will be waivered (injured) and get an injury settlement.

 

Shane Ray's NFL comeback hits snag as Bills put DE on IR

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38235140/shane-ray-nfl-comeback-hits-snag-bills-put-de-ir

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On Monday, the Buffalo Bills placed Ray on injury reserve. The move will likely end his season unless an injury settlement is reached. Coach Sean McDermott described him as "day-to-day" on Sunday.

 

Ray left Saturday's preseason loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers with a hamstring injury. In two preseason games, he played 32 defensive snaps, nine special teams snaps and one 2-point conversion. Ray, 30, was a long shot to make a competitive Bills 53-man roster but played well throughout training camp and the preseason.

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-shane-ray-placed-on-injured-reserve/

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Ray suffered the injury in Saturday's preseason contest against the Steelers. However, it was reported by Maddy Glab of the Bills' official site on Sunday that the 30-year-old's injury was of the day-to-day variety. So his move to injured reserve is a bit of surprise.

 

[boyst]

In theory, they could release him and sign him back?

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

Shane's a good player but just too old to stay healthy 

[NewEra]

Poor guy

[John from Riverside]

Honestly, this sucks about Shane Ray he was having a good camp

[Saxum]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Honestly, this sucks about Shane Ray he was having a good camp

 

I think he was burning the candle at both ends to try to make roster.

[John from Riverside]

Is there a possibility of putting him on the practice squad if you have put him on injured reserve