Daniel Penny to be charged

[SCBills]

55 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

The DA knows more about this case than any of us. Why the rush to judgement?

DAs have these types of difficult decisions, to charge or not, every day across the country. Judgement is what grand juries and juries are for. 

DA’s like Bragg deserve zero benefit of the doubt, and furthermore deserve scorn and second guessing. 
 

Nevermind the concept of “jury of your peers” should be mocked in these hyper-political times. 
 

Penny’s life hangs in the balance of a partisan progressive DA and a jury that he better hope are true working class New Yorkers and not a collection of liberal white women, race-obsessed black women and self-loathing soyed-out white men. 
 

He wouldn’t have been charged by any other DA’s in the country, except for the usual suspects.. 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by SCBills

[Andy1]

Did Jordan Neely physically assault anyone? 

If he only threatened with words, then the issue is if one can use deadly force in response to feeling threatened by speech. Neely had mental issues but that alone doesn’t justify killing him. 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Andy1

[aristocrat]

2 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Did Jordan Neely physically assault anyone? 

If he only threatened with words, then the issue is if one can use deadly force in response to feeling threatened by speech. Neely had mental issues but that alone doesn’t justify killing him. 

there’s a reason two other passengers helped the marine hold Neely down. One was a black guy. There was also a reason the passengers thanked him after as well. 

[ALF]

6 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Did Jordan Neely physically assault anyone? 

If he only threatened with words, then the issue is if one can use deadly force in response to feeling threatened by speech. Neely had mental issues but that alone doesn’t justify killing him. 

 

Someone should have offered him $10 for a meal when he cried out he was hungry, sad

[Tiberius]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Nevermind the concept of “jury of your peers” should be mocked in these hyper-political times. 

 

 

 

Oh really? What would you suggest to replace it? 

And like we have not had highly politicized times before, whatever 

[SCBills]

Of course Bragg had him do a perp walk.. of course  

 

 

 

[B-Man]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

 

 

Of course Bragg had him do a perp walk.. of course  

 

 

 

 

 

Don't expect anyone to help you when you are attacked in NYC.

 

 

 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Don't expect anyone to help you when you are attacked in NYC.

 

 

 

I always roll my eyes when I see left-leaning women post in stories about an attack by a man on a woman in a city where men are standing around.. it’s always the same question “how can these men stand by and allow this to happen”?

 

Excuse me, liberal white woman, you continually vote for this, and you would happily convict us for standing up for you if it the liberal mob demanded it, so … by all means .. defend yourself now. 
 

Edited May 12, 2023 by SCBills

[Tiberius]

Well, he should have a good defense, they have raised a lot of money for him 

[Tommy Callahan]

The modern cyber lynch mob.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Chris farley

[Buffarukus]

15 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Did Jordan Neely physically assault anyone? 

If he only threatened with words, then the issue is if one can use deadly force in response to feeling threatened by speech. Neely had mental issues but that alone doesn’t justify killing him. 

 

by that logic then one must wait to be assaulted or murdered to react? if i get in your face and say i will kill you until the moment i physically touch or pull a weopon..which could be seconds what can you do? 3 women who were attacked werent so lucky that only words were used. can a police officer do anything in that situation? its only words at that point. planes and other instances where "freakouts" caused forced restraint of people didnt see alot of outcry about reactionary force up till now. pretty dangerous now as public transit and all around violence is increasing. precedent after precedent is to not defend yourself, hope for the best and mind your buisness if your not directly involved. sorry. if your the aggressor YOU should be the only one who should be concerned about any of those things.

 

THIS is what the left wanted. less police. more revolving doors for violent offenders. you get citizens who are not equipped or trained having to defend themselves and when it is a messy outcome..prosecute them too aka just let criminals do what they will.

 

so. it was in a confined space so distancing from the person threatening was hard or impossible.

 

3 men felt threatened enough to restrain this man with many other calling the police. that makes it pretty clear that everyone on that train agreed they were in immediate danger with not alot of options.

 

daniel perry was not charged following the incident with witnesses and video of the event. liberal cities are now prosecution under mob justice, not real justice. that's as dangerous as it gets as laws are not blind but will follow new guidelines under strict political  pressure. there will be applied pressure for a guilty verdict as well. 43 arrests and a man with clear mental violent issues is allowed back into society to become everyone elses problem which is eventually going to have these situation. liberals litterally want criminals to have free reign. its insanity. i see myself becoming heartless to murder victims as they most likely voted for this but unfortunately i live in this state so i cant just watch the implosion of these places from afar. the fact ANYONE has a argument to the contrary has a direct effect on my friends and family safety.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Buffarukus

[nedboy7]

This is a sad and complicated issue.  I think charging him was the correct action.  I do believe he will get off and I lean towards him being innocent at this time.  And yes I think his best chance actually is a NYC jury who understands the situation that is taking place on the subways for a long time now.  Here is the top comment from the NYT article today.  Yes I do understand it seems like excessive force was used.  I however was not present and do not understand the situation completely or should make a strong judgement.  So yes it is the perfect case for a jury to settle. 

We dont always have to immediately take a side and ridicule dissenting opinion. 

 

"i have been on the NY subways many times with belligerent, angry men getting in my face. I'm a petite women and you can bet I feel frightened and threated. One such man slapped me in the face. Why should i (or anyone else) have to tolerate this behavior? But tolerate it we do because no one ever does anything. Our system allowed Jordan Neely to continue roaming the subway system, even after he had violently assaulted 3 women. Message received: we're on our own. I'm so sorry Mr. Penny's arrest will deter more would-be good Samaritans from helping people before an actual punch is thrown, or a weapon is brandished."\

 

 

This is another good comment.  Both political extremes are idiots in my opinion. 

 

Those really responsible for this unfortunate outcome will never be charged: all those on the right who have moved to shut down mental institutions because of their cost, and all those on the left who have done the same because they believe people with serious mental disabilities should be free to choose their own paths. It is the misguided attitudes displayed by both ends of the political spectrum that have once again carried us into the societal abyss we face today.

Edited May 12, 2023 by nedboy7

[Andy1]

From a legal standpoint this is an interesting case. It will involve the decision of what is a reasonable and prudent use of force in response to verbal threats. The marine was probably trained in the use of lethal force and probably understood the outcome of maintaining a chokehold on someone. Neely didn’t appear to be a physically imposing person. The subway is a constrained space magnifying the threat level since people cannot distance themselves from him. 
 

 

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

This is a sad and complicated issue.  I think charging him was the correct action.  I do believe he will get off and I lean towards him being innocent at this time.  And yes I think his best chance actually is a NYC jury who understands the situation that is taking place on the subways for a long time now.  Here is the top comment from the NYT article today.  Yes I do understand it seems like excessive force was used.  I however was not present and do not understand the situation completely or should make a strong judgement.  So yes it is the perfect case for a jury to settle. 

We dont always have to immediately take a side and ridicule dissenting opinion. 

 

"i have been on the NY subways many times with belligerent, angry men getting in my face. I'm a petite women and you can bet I feel frightened and threated. One such man slapped me in the face. Why should i (or anyone else) have to tolerate this behavior? But tolerate it we do because no one ever does anything. Our system allowed Jordan Neely to continue roaming the subway system, even after he had violently assaulted 3 women. Message received: we're on our own. I'm so sorry Mr. Penny's arrest will deter more would-be good Samaritans from helping people before an actual punch is thrown, or a weapon is brandished."\

 

 

This is another good comment.  Both political extremes are idiots in my opinion. 

 

Those really responsible for this unfortunate outcome will never be charged: all those on the right who have moved to shut down mental institutions because of their cost, and all those on the left who have done the same because they believe people with serious mental disabilities should be free to choose their own paths. It is the misguided attitudes displayed by both ends of the political spectrum that have once again carried us into the societal abyss we face today.

A well-thought-out nuanced take? On MY PPP forum???

[aristocrat]

saying he was going to kill a mother trucker.  The witnesses were thanking penny for what he did. Charges should be dropped 

[SCBills]

 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

saying he was going to kill a mother trucker.  The witnesses were thanking penny for what he did. Charges should be dropped 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

🎯 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

15 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

This is a sad and complicated issue.  I think charging him was the correct action.  I do believe he will get off and I lean towards him being innocent at this time.  And yes I think his best chance actually is a NYC jury who understands the situation that is taking place on the subways for a long time now.  Here is the top comment from the NYT article today.  Yes I do understand it seems like excessive force was used.  I however was not present and do not understand the situation completely or should make a strong judgement.  So yes it is the perfect case for a jury to settle. 

We dont always have to immediately take a side and ridicule dissenting opinion. 

 

"i have been on the NY subways many times with belligerent, angry men getting in my face. I'm a petite women and you can bet I feel frightened and threated. One such man slapped me in the face. Why should i (or anyone else) have to tolerate this behavior? But tolerate it we do because no one ever does anything. Our system allowed Jordan Neely to continue roaming the subway system, even after he had violently assaulted 3 women. Message received: we're on our own. I'm so sorry Mr. Penny's arrest will deter more would-be good Samaritans from helping people before an actual punch is thrown, or a weapon is brandished."\

 

 

This is another good comment.  Both political extremes are idiots in my opinion. 

 

Those really responsible for this unfortunate outcome will never be charged: all those on the right who have moved to shut down mental institutions because of their cost, and all those on the left who have done the same because they believe people with serious mental disabilities should be free to choose their own paths. It is the misguided attitudes displayed by both ends of the political spectrum that have once again carried us into the societal abyss we face today.

 

13 hours ago, Andy1 said:

From a legal standpoint this is an interesting case. It will involve the decision of what is a reasonable and prudent use of force in response to verbal threats. The marine was probably trained in the use of lethal force and probably understood the outcome of maintaining a chokehold on someone. Neely didn’t appear to be a physically imposing person. The subway is a constrained space magnifying the threat level since people cannot distance themselves from him. 
 

 

 

13 hours ago, Roundybout said:

A well-thought-out nuanced take? On MY PPP forum???

This case is not interesting because we have many reports of Neely threatening to hurt other people. He was acting erratically and there were no police to handle it. Two other men helped him contain Neely which shows he was true threat. Lastly your blaming conservatives for the lack of support for someone in NYC? There is no law stopping NY from helping him, just indifference 

[BillsFanNC]

11 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

 

This case is not interesting because we have many reports of Neely threatening to hurt other people. He was acting erratically and there were no police to handle it. Two other men helped him contain Neely which shows he was true threat. Lastly your blaming conservatives for the lack of support for someone in NYC? There is no law stopping NY from helping him, just indifference