corta765 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Aight here is where I got the AFC at this point in terms of Tiers heading into 2023. If I am feeling lucky I will post the NFC tomorrow. Comment, disagree, hate on it, lets get wild! Immovable Object: Kansas City Chiefs- Lets be honest until otherwise the AFC goes through KC and they are in every other teams way. SB Contenders: Buffalo Bills- A quiet reload this offseason compared to last year. They seem to have beefed up both lines after getting kicked in the teeth vs CIN and focused on giving Josh the receiving option he missed big time last year for short-medium options. The question now is whether Dorsey can maximize these new additions and bring back some of the simple staples on offense that made the unit so dynamic in 20 & 21. Cincinnati Bengals- Lou is back as the DC which is probably the most important thing for CIN. Otherwise minor tweaks and Higgins isn't leaving. Burrow's contract needs to be completed and is a major thing as CIN is notoriously poor and doesn't do things like this. How that is handled will probably impact the team more then people say. Solid Teams But With A Question Mark or Two: New York Jets- Aaron Rodgers had a down year or maybe started regressing last season. Regardless if he was the Jets QB they would've been a playoff team with that stat line, that is how bad the QB play has been for NY. I am not as high as some that this is a SB contender as the defense will regress a bit which is natural after a good year and the offense needs to prove it can be middle of the road. Biggest question is if the coaching staff can do its part to not screw it up. Miami Dolphins- When healthy Tua is a superb QB and that offense moves like a Ferrari, even as an opposing fan it was fun to watch. He has missed 4 games each of the past two seasons and last years concussions were borderline terrifying. Can Tua stay healthy a full season? Can the defense with Fangio improve to the top half after being 24th last year? I am not sure any team in the AFC has a wider range of outcomes then Miami honestly. Baltimore Ravens- Speaking of hurt QBs Lamar is back for 5 years and a ton of money. They finally have given him some true pass catchers albeit lets see what ODB actually has left as reports vary on how healthy the knee is. The defense is always pretty good, but the major question is whether Harbaugh can see his offense evolve into a true passing attack in a league that favors passing and if Lamar can himself stay healthy. When healthy BAL's offense has been a high performing unit, but the last two years worth of injuries force uncomfortable questions on Lamar. Jacksonville Jaguars- I do not think they are actually as good as the three above them, but the division is so bad I can see them going 12-5 just simply because their schedule is so light even while playing a first place schedule they still face the NFC South. Trevor took a solid step last year, lets see if the evolution continues now that he has competent coaching. The Chargers Los Angeles Chargers- No team in the NFL is more confusing. They have a franchise QB, talent in many of the right places that you would want, and a coach who at times has shown some smart decisions bucking conservative trends that have troubled coaches forever. They also have somehow made one playoff game in 3 years which they blew a 27-0 lead, the same said coach played his starters in a game that meant nothing getting two of them hurt, they have no homefield advantage, they historically are cheap as a franchise, and have had the worst injury luck that exists (although I blame some of that on medical malpractice ie: Tyrod Taylor). Every year a bunch analysts say this team could be 12-5/13-4 and the best in the AFC, maybe it will happen or maybe they will keep doing what they have been doing and border on the playoffs leaving everyone asking WTF is happening over there. If Everything Falls Right Playoffs Are Possible, But Realistically They Are Closer To The Draft Cleveland Browns- Talent exists here but they tied their horse to a QB who played a total of six games in three years and in those six games played like crap. Legit he was 40th last year in terms of passers in the NFL, that is not good when he has that much guaranteed money. Realistically though the Browns are a paper tiger who have pieces and an argument can be made they have a high ceiling. But Watson needs to show he has can play QB at a higher level again before any discussion begins about CLE running for a playoff spot let alone a division with Burrow and Lamar. Pittsburgh Steelers- After a decade plus of being the kings of the AFC North they are dealing with life at the bottom. Pickett showed some nice flashes, but they are still a work in progress. Watt returning on defense will certainly help that side of the ball, but their schedule and being at least 3rd in the division (if not last) right now makes this feel like another rebuilding season then a playoff year. Denver Broncos- Sean Payton is a good coach who at minimum should help to get more out of the offense which was offensive to watch last year. Returning Wilson to some of his staple good plays will help too. But last year also exposed Denver for not having the talent across the board to keep up with the AFC regardless of Wilsons play at QB. Also the draft capital given up and cap constraints because of Wilsons contract limit their ability to add. If you told me in the next three years Denver once made the playoffs I could see that happening. But as it says up top everything is going to need to fall right otherwise they are a draft team. Las Vegas Raiders- Their offense last year was actually 12th in the NFL and Jimmy G is a good distributor of the ball to an nice group of weapons there. The problem is their defense has holes all over minus the front four and even if you think their better then Denver they are still behind KC and LAC which is never a good starting point. Also Jimmy has never had the best injury luck which has to be factored into the equation also. In an AFC that seemingly is an arms race to the moon, the Raiders feel like a team that is "in the hunt" come December and fades. New England Patriots- I truly believe if the head coach was not Bill Belichek this team would be discussed as a potential top 5 draft team this year. Their offense did add Juju Smith Schuster but lost Myers and Jonnu Smith while adding nothing else of substance. Team leader Devin McCourty is gone on the back end and their only true blue chip talent is Matthew Judon. Their decidedly the fourth best team at talent and QB in the division at this point. Maybe Mac Jones becomes serviceable enough to move the offense where they score enough points to hang in games while their defense does it best to limit the opposition. Maybe that is enough to get them to 9-10 wins and a possible playoff spot. But the Patriots it feels like you have to talk yourself into everything when reality shows this is just not a good roster. On To The 2024 Draft Indianapolis Colts- The Colts to me are last years Chicago Bears with a little more upside on offense and they probably win a few more games given the division. They are 100% transitioning their roster and Anthony Richardson will have some real highs and real lows at QB which can be entertaining. Jonathan Taylor is still here at RB so at least they should be potent on the ground Realistically though this is 4-5 win unit that is building for the future with their young QB that will take their lumps. Tennessee Titans- Quick name a Titans WR beside Treylon Burks... yep not good Vern. The Titans act like they are competing in 2023, yet they have dumped a lot of veterans and making moves like a rebuilding team. The major question is how long Tannehill gets to start before the calls for Levis get loud enough for him to get a look. Houston Texans- They got CJ Stroud and Will Anderson, but they may have some serious buyers remorse in a year for what they gave to get both of them. The defense has the look of a potential special unit in the future if Anderson develops with the core they are building, but the offense despite veteran addition is still long in the tooth for talent. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Great breakdown! Pretty much agree w/ all of it. Spot on w/ the Pats. Belichick keeps that team in contention for a playoff spot. Just about any other coach & they would be sub-.500. Good, proper deference to KC, which should please the humble bragging Chiefs fans who post here. Despite all of the bluster, the AFC, to me, is still the big 3 of Cincy, KC & Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Chargers are SB contenders. Denver with Payton is a solid team that in any other division would be a solid playoff team. Wilson should be better and they should be in the hunt right tip until the end especially with a fourth place schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Chargers are SB contenders. It is why I have them in their own category. On paper this team SHOULD be anywhere from 11-13 wins even with KC. But they have a single playoff appearance which the coach made some just atrocious calls a week after getting two guys hurt who didn't need to play. There is 100% a higher ceiling for this group and I won't be surprised if someday it appears for a season, but there is too much variance to buy them full board either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 seems accurate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Very nice breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 The Chargers in their own category is incredibly spot on. There is only a handful of teams with their talent that have the mental lapses they do 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The Chargers in their own category is incredibly spot on. There is only a handful of teams with their talent that have the mental lapses they do Legit I had no idea where to put them lol SB Contender? Sure! Playoff team with a question? Sure! Need everything to go right for the playoff chance? Sure! Miami has the widest range of outcomes to me because I can see them at 13-3 and I can see them at 6-11 just simply because of the division and some roster questions. The Chargers on the other hand probably have a higher floor, but dear god their questions are so unique and off the wall by comparison. I mean this team punctured their starting QBs lung and people wonder why their roster regularly has injury issues. WHAT IS GOING ON THERE! haha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The Chargers in their own category is incredibly spot on. There is only a handful of teams with their talent that have the mental lapses they do They are the one team in the west that has the talent to win the division from the Chiefs, but they always fall short. The games are usually very close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Success said: Spot on w/ the Pats. Belichick keeps that team in contention for a playoff spot. Just about any other coach & they would be sub-.500. Wait, what? They were sub .500 last season with Belicheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Chargers are SB contenders. Denver with Payton is a solid team that in any other division would be a solid playoff team. Wilson should be better and they should be in the hunt right tip until the end especially with a fourth place schedule. Wilson has been shot for 3 years and is playing on reputation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 I would put the browns with Chargers....AFC looks challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: I would put the browns with Chargers....AFC looks challenging. I think the Browns have far far more to prove before they are there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, corta765 said: I think the Browns have far far more to prove before they are there. and your opinion is final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: and your opinion is final? I AM THE SENATE...no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 The AFC is very stacked. You have several powerhouse teams KC, Bills, and Cincy all are about as close to "complete" teams as possible. Then you two teams in my opinion are just under the three powerhouse teams in the Jets, Jaguars and Ravens who while they may have a hole or two are not that far off. Then you have a large group of tough teams that can all easily win 10 games or more if things break right. The Steelers, Browns, Dolphins, Patriots, Chargers, Raiders and Broncos are in that mix. The only truly rebuilding teams are the Titans, Colts and Texans who are likely at least a year away from anything meaningful. It's a slog in the AFC but it was similar last year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The AFC is very stacked. You have several powerhouse teams KC, Bills, and Cincy all are about as close to "complete" teams as possible. Then you two teams in my opinion are just under the three powerhouse teams in the Jets, Jaguars and Ravens who while they may have a hole or two are not that far off. Then you have a large group of tough teams that can all easily win 10 games or more if things break right. The Steelers, Browns, Dolphins, Patriots, Chargers, Raiders and Broncos are in that mix. The only truly rebuilding teams are the Titans, Colts and Texans who are likely at least a year away from anything meaningful. It's a slog in the AFC but it was similar last year too. Lucky Jags. Here we are on May 9th, and they are already the 2023 AFCS champions unless the injury bug its them hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 I don't disagree with much of what was said, but Watson played in 2020, so he has played 6 games in 2 seasons, not in 3 seasons. You would assume that he would get back closer to 2020 Watson after a full offseason and beginning the year, but I don't disagree with Cleveland's lower rating until he proves it. If he is 2020 Watson, they should be SB contenders. If he isn't, then they won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Success said: Great breakdown! Pretty much agree w/ all of it. Spot on w/ the Pats. Belichick keeps that team in contention for a playoff spot. Just about any other coach & they would be sub-.500. Good, proper deference to KC, which should please the humble bragging Chiefs fans who post here. Despite all of the bluster, the AFC, to me, is still the big 3 of Cincy, KC & Buffalo. BB the coach has to do a lot of up coaching to make up for BB the GM. I also believe he is just costing to get to Shula record then he retires then Mayo will be the new HC. (Which I think the league will be fine with. Even though it’s not to the letter of the rules.) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) How was the offense in 2022 less dynamic than 2021? They averaged the same amount of points as 2021, had the best 3rd down percentage of Josh's career and had the most yards per game in team history. It clearly wasn't the same offense as 2021, but it was a better offense than 2021. Josh had slightly better season stats in 2022 also. I think people forget just how bad Josh and the offense was after game 7 in 2021. 17 tds, 3 ints through the first 7 games. 19 tds and 12 ints in the final 9 games, including the worst game of his career when he posted a 17 QB Rating against a bad Atlanta team. And all that bad play in 2021 was against a much easier schedule. Edited May 9, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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