Gugny Posted June 15 Posted June 15 39 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Don’t you think there’s a difference between positional players vs specialists like punters? Lots of differences. Most importantly, the punter is probably the least important/impactful player on the team … unless your team absolutely sucks - which the Bills and Chiefs do not. Bottom line is this … teams like the Bills and Chiefs don’t win or lose meaningful games because of anything a ***** punter does. This Araiza guy lost me when he chose to go public on Tommy Lauren’s crap show. He’s a clown. And he’s just a ***** punter. It’s like a baseball team being worried about who their backup batboy is going to be. 1 Quote
Doc Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Just now, Gugny said: Lots of differences. Most importantly, the punter is probably the least important/impactful player on the team … unless your team absolutely sucks - which the Bills and Chiefs do not. Bottom line is this … teams like the Bills and Chiefs don’t win or lose meaningful games because of anything a ***** punter does. This Araiza guy lost me when he chose to go public on Tommy Lauren’s crap show. He’s a clown. And he’s just a ***** punter. It’s like a baseball team being worried about who their backup batboy is going to be. Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Just add another chapter in the “Book of Billsy” if he unleashed a punt in the playoffs that leads to the Bills demise once again. Quote
JROC INTEL Posted June 15 Posted June 15 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Yes, because every great college player goes on to become a great NFL player. There’s really no difference in talent level between teams San Diego State played and teams that the Chiefs will play. Thanks for reminding me how straight forward it is. I’m not saying you’re wrong I just don’t personally see that. Are you saying there’s a higher chance of a punt being blocked or something? Because honestly what’s the difference? He was crushing it against mostly all NFL talent in preseason, kicking it 82 yards or something Quote
90sBills Posted June 15 Posted June 15 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: Lots of differences. Most importantly, the punter is probably the least important/impactful player on the team … unless your team absolutely sucks - which the Bills and Chiefs do not. Bottom line is this … teams like the Bills and Chiefs don’t win or lose meaningful games because of anything a ***** punter does. This Araiza guy lost me when he chose to go public on Tommy Lauren’s crap show. He’s a clown. And he’s just a ***** punter. It’s like a baseball team being worried about who their backup batboy is going to be. Oh man. I thought we’re discussing opinions on punters in general but it sounds like you really don’t like Araiza. That’s all good. I’m glad the young man is getting a second chance. People make dumb decisions, especially young ones. 13 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Just add another chapter in the “Book of Billsy” if he unleashed a punt in the playoffs that leads to the Bills demise once again. Like a 50 yarder with great hang time that our returner muffs and a KC gunner scoops up for a score? Yeah I can picture that. Quote
hondo in seattle Posted June 15 Posted June 15 I was disappointed when we cut him. I thought "innocent until proven guilty" wasn't just a legal principle, but an American value. And I thought about the Brian Banks story. For those who don't know, Banks was a talented high school football player who dreamt of playing in the NFL someday. But when he raped a classmate, those dreams were crushed. Except that he never raped her. Years later, she admitted that she had fabricated the whole story. While not common, false accusations happen. It's hard to made definitive determinations but various studies in the US and Europe conclude that 2% to 10% of sexual assault accusations are false. Considering charges were never even brought against Araiza, I thought he deserved the benefit of the doubt. Though I did understand the PR considerations. 1 Quote
T master Posted June 15 Posted June 15 That was pretty much a no brained if for no other reason than to piss off the Bills in general, & that may be a big part of why he went to them in the first place to rub the Bills nose in it for not even waiting ti see one way or the other what went on. 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 15 Posted June 15 If the Bills don't win the SB because of the punter they keep, they have far bigger issues... Quote
Beck Water Posted June 15 Posted June 15 5 hours ago, JROC INTEL said: The dude was crushing it every time i saw him punt. I don’t see that changing just because it’s an NFL snap? Do you? It’s a pretty straightforward thing. In the NFL, the punter does have to hold for FG, which Araiza didn't do in college Also as I recall, on the Bills, he was crushing it deep. But that's not always what's wanted in the NFL. Sometimes you want a guy who can kick directionally or short. Maybe he's gotten better at that. 1 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted June 15 Posted June 15 This one is going to come back and bite the Bills right in the ass. Quote
Doc Posted June 15 Posted June 15 9 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: This one is going to come back and bite the Bills right in the ass. How? If he’s punting a lot against the Bills, that’s a good thing. 1 3 Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Man I wish we could have kept him but once we cut him there was no way we could have got him back. Hopefully it doesn't make a difference Quote
london_bills Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Good luck to him after everything that happened, or didn't Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted June 15 Posted June 15 5 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: I think you were roasted because “administrative leave” is not a thing. The Bills could not do what you suggested as it is not an option. The only leave would be if the NFL put him on leave and the NFL was not allowed to do that because the transgression occurred in college not the NFL. Therefore - the Bills had very limited options. Cut him, Keep him on the roster, or work with the player and the NFLPA to get him on a reserved non-football list - which based upon the timing would have blocked him out for the season and would have left the NFL money on the table in the lawsuit. In the end he sat out the 2 years while the various lawsuits fell away and without the NFL contract in place there was not a lot of money for the others lawyer to go after. The understanding at the time was the Bills (Beane) talked with the player and the agent about the options they had - either cutting him or getting the player to step away so they could use the Reserve list and keep him away for the year. The agreement between the sides was for him to go away and handle the lawsuits and keep the other lawyers from using his contract as a bargaining chip. The problem with your suggestion is that there is nothing like what you suggested that the Bills could do. They explored options and talked with the NFL, the player and his agent, and the NFLPA and had limited options of either keeping him on the roster or cutting him. Really a no brainer at that point with that team. Firstly I do not wish to debate on this. I will simply point out this document: https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/website/Departments/Salary-Cap-Agent-Admin/2022-NFL-Personal-Conduct-Policy.pdf According to the document the NFL can place a player on "Leave With Pay" later referred to as "Paid Administrative Leave." Yes, the club cannot perform this action, it has to come from the NFL HOWEVER, did the Bills request the league to do so? Based on the conditions, it seems that this would be applicable to the Araiza case. As far as his contract, he signed a 4 year , $3,876,148 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including $216,148 signing bonus, $216,148 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $969,037. Seems like it wouldn't have been onerous to carry this contract and let the justice system play out. That's all I got. Quote
Doc Posted June 15 Posted June 15 6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Firstly I do not wish to debate on this. I will simply point out this document: https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/website/Departments/Salary-Cap-Agent-Admin/2022-NFL-Personal-Conduct-Policy.pdf According to the document the NFL can place a player on "Leave With Pay" later referred to as "Paid Administrative Leave." Yes, the club cannot perform this action, it has to come from the NFL HOWEVER, did the Bills request the league to do so? Based on the conditions, it seems that this would be applicable to the Araiza case. As far as his contract, he signed a 4 year , $3,876,148 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including $216,148 signing bonus, $216,148 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $969,037. Seems like it wouldn't have been onerous to carry this contract and let the justice system play out. That's all I got. Given the nature of the allegations and the outrage they elicited, I doubt the NFL would have done this for the Bills or any team for that matter. They would rather he be cut and out of the NFL until the matter was resolved one way or another. 1 1 Quote
ROCBillsBeliever Posted June 16 Posted June 16 Oh wait... The Chiefs signed another player with a shady history? Wake me when there's some news... 😴 2 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted June 16 Posted June 16 33 minutes ago, Doc said: Given the nature of the allegations and the outrage they elicited, I doubt the NFL would have done this for the Bills or any team for that matter. They would rather he be cut and out of the NFL until the matter was resolved one way or another. That may have been the case and if so, it's disappointing (if not surprising) that the NFL would rush to judgment and bow to public outrage, instead of adhering to due process and showing proper professional restraint. That said, there is much to object to regarding how the NFL is run. Personally I think Goodell is a POS but as long as the Owners are happy with him... Quote
Doc Posted June 16 Posted June 16 3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: That may have been the case and if so, it's disappointing (if not surprising) that the NFL would rush to judgment and bow to public outrage, instead of adhering to due process and showing proper professional restraint. That said, there is much to object to regarding how the NFL is run. Personally I think Goodell is a POS but as long as the Owners are happy with him... Even though I supported him from the moment the truth started coming out, I can't object to the way the Bills and NFL handled it. They're under no obligation to employ, much less pay almost $1M to, a guy who is facing serious charges, much less a guy who has never played in a real NFL game before, much much less a guy who is just a punter. It sucks for Araiza and for the Bills losing possibly a promising player, but it is what it is. 1 Quote
boyst Posted June 16 Posted June 16 Best line of the thread is that he was a 6th rounder like Brady so obviously he's HOF. The sarcasm on that mixed with the seriousness people are taking this thread is comical. Well done all! Quote
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