Matt Araiza

[NewEra]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In the past many people have gotten away with it. That’s why the world is how it is today. 
 

Simple solution is seal the names. 

 

Ok…. Seal the names.  I have no problem with that. Great idea. Logistically,

 

I have a problem with people making a snap judgement (cut him now!) one second after reading that someone is accused of something.  

that’s where the true problem lies imo.  If the names were sealed in criminal cases, the court of public social media would bite the heads of other in different aspect of life. That’s life now. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In the past many people have gotten away with it. That’s why the world is how it is today. 
 

Simple solution is seal the names. 

 

I agree that is part of the reason, but we have over-corrected. Certainly in the UK I can (but won't here) point to some specific interventions that are an example of that over-correction. 

[Bobby Hooks]

Whether it’s fair or not, every single Bills article and social media post had the words Buffalo Bills and gang rape attached to it. 
 

They were also getting a LOT of pressure from the world, and I’m assuming the NFL to make a move.
 

They had to do what was best for the team, and unfortunately that meant parting ways. 
 

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario, and the reason many teams took him off their boards for the draft. 
 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ok…. Seal the names.  I have no problem with that. Great idea. Logistically,

 

I have a problem with people making a snap judgement (cut him now!) one second after reading that someone is accused of something.  

that’s where the true problem lies imo.  If the names were sealed in criminal cases, the court of public social media would bite the heads of other in different aspect of life. That’s life now. 

As a fan I find it difficult to root for someone under investigation for rape.

 

I’m just being honest. I wish I never heard anything about the case.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Billsfan777]

Both the gm an head coach should go out on national TV an apologize to Matt araiza..an matt should not only sue the ***** out of that 2 dollar ***** but the buffalobills as well for wrongfully termination 

[Bobby Hooks]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan777 said:

Both the gm an head coach should go out on national TV an apologize to Matt araiza..an matt should not only sue the ***** out of that 2 dollar ***** but the buffalobills as well for wrongfully termination 

Heckuva fiery first post! 
 

Are you friends with Matthew? 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[machine gun kelly]

11 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s not enough to say I hope this kid gets a chance. The only way this becomes right is by allowing the Bills to get Araiza back. 

I have to assume that Araiza was told by management that they believed him, but due to huge amounts of public pressure they had no choice. If Araiza doesn’t want to return, thats fine, but the league needs to give the Bills the 1st option if Araiza wants to return. 

You have a right to youre opinion.  In my opinion, the Bills don’t HAVE to do anything, and I certainly don’t HAVE To Believe what you believe.

 

Im sincere in Matt should get a shot at a team.  The team will have to decide if his skills are worth the media bias that will inevitably come with it, even though he has been proven to be innocent.  
 

Sometimes life isn’t fair.  If it’s me, a team who does not have a stellar offense, but a very good defense would benefit from his services.  That cannon of a leg would give very good ball position to an avg offense.  Just look at the offenses ranked 20th to 32nd.  They could improve immediately while they take their couple of years to build or retool their offense.

 

Thats my logical opinion thinking strategically as to a small market teams who have mediocre offenses, but may have a great defense.

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Billsfan777 said:

Both the gm an head coach should go out on national TV an apologize to Matt araiza..an matt should not only sue the ***** out of that 2 dollar ***** but the buffalobills as well for wrongfully termination 

 

The Bills let him go because he needed to deal with a civil suit and criminal investigation over the allegations from a minor that he admitted to having sex with. 

 

 

[Billsfan777]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Heckuva fiery first post! 
 

Are you friends with Matthew? 

No but an individual is innocent until proven guilty 

[Bobby Hooks]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan777 said:

No but an individual is innocent until proven guilty 

Of course. But that doesn’t stop the world from happening. 
 

Having gang rape attached to everything you do for an entire season is a big deal when you’re trying for your first Super Bowl championship. 
 

It was a big distraction for a punter. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Whether it’s fair or not, every single Bills article and social media post had the words Buffalo Bills and gang rape attached to it. 
 

They were also getting a LOT of pressure from the world, and I’m assuming the NFL to make a move.
 

They had to do what was best for the team, and unfortunately that meant parting ways. 
 

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario, and the reason many teams took him off their boards for the draft. 
 

 

The victims attorney went nuclear in this situation. I can understand wanting to defend to client but holy ***** this guy went so far over the top.  He should be reprimanded at minimum for how he handled this. 
 

at the same time this girl was just going go to guys at the party taking leaks in the yard and was apparently like…well your dick is already out let’s go! What an insane story 
 

 

[Kmart128]

I really hope Araiza sues that girl for everything she is worth. What a horrible human being. 

 

Now i hope we atleast bring him back to compete this year. And if we dont i think the Bills will see a lawsuit on their hands for wrongful termination.

[Billsfan777]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

The Bills let him go because he needed to deal with a civil suit and criminal investigation over the allegations from a minor that he admitted to having sex with. 

 

 

Wrong ..the bills let him go from the pressure of the woke/cancel culture plus the media the bills could had place him on the commissioner except list until all the facts came out 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

The Bills let him go because he needed to deal with a civil suit and criminal investigation over the allegations from a minor that he admitted to having sex with. 

 

 

In most employment settings that would be considered wrongful termination. None of the things he was ‘dealing with’ occurred at his place of employment or with anyone remotely associated with the Buffalo Bills organization. It’s a tough situation for sure, but I don’t think you’re ever hurt by offering an apology. 

[Fleezoid]

Is it too soon to resume giving him a nickname?

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan777 said:

Wrong ..the bills let him go from the pressure of the woke/cancel culture plus the media the bills could had place him on the commissioner except list until all the facts came out 

 

That is not correct. A player who has never played in the league is not eligible for the commissioner's exempt list. 

[SCBills]

As the person who linked the article and believes Araiza was done so dirty, by so many people, I’m genuinely wondering what people think the Bills should’ve done…

 

Im pretty convinced Beane believed Araiza.  His words were carefully chosen, his vibe was certainly one of completely frustration and sadness. 
 

The Bills literally cut their other punter and gave Arazia the job, after they were aware of the allegations (I’m pretty sure this is correct?.. correct me if I’m wrong)

 

But put yourself back to Aug of ‘22. 

Local media with daily hit pieces against the Bills FO.  National media with daily hit pieces against the Bills FO.  Bills influencers absolutely torching the organization and/or demanding his release. 
 

It’s now May of ‘23 and we finally have some clarity that exonerates Araiza. 
 

How do y’all think the Bills could’ve functioned with the mob ready to burn OBD down?   Do you really think Goodell was going to allow Beane to hold the NFL hostage with certain social justice groups over a rookie punter?  Already dealing with the Watson fallout. 
 

I genuinely, as someone who has contempt for all those who vilified him without knowing the facts, have no idea what else the Bills could have done. 
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by SCBills

[Mango]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

🙄 People like you annoy me. That law is clearly situational! You have to use common sense here. Do you know how many college girls often get drunk before having sex? What about guys? You realistically consider all those young men and women rapists??? You’ve never had sex with a drunk woman? I’d venture to say more men have than haven’t at least once in their lives (let’s say by age of 40) Do you think most men are rapists? See how your logic is flawed.

 

Furthermore for there to have factually been lie after lie after lie uncovered that she told yet you still give her any benefit of the doubt is extremely disgusting. Your type is why innocent people get out in jail and lives ruined. Have some common sense man.

 

 

You can certainly be too drunk to give consent. And yes, I have turned down women who were too drunk to do so. This shouldn't be all that contentious. Any attorney on the planet will agree that you can be charged with sexual assault because somebody people cannot give reasonable consent. You may not like it, but it doesn't make it less true. 

The idea that a person can withdraw consent at any time shouldn't make you this angry. I don't care if she agreed to a 1000000 person *****. At any moment she can say no, and walk away. The bloodied photos of the girl were disturbing. And reports were from her friends that she immediately told them she was assaulted. Could some of that night been consensual? Sure. Does it mean everything was? No. 

 

SDSU certainly made an effort to sweep this under the rug. The story in this article v the statements/recordings given to police a year ago seem to be contradict each other. 

 

This one hits home for me, my sister was assaulted in a very similar situation. She got a rape test. She went to the police. And similarly they first wouldn't investigate, and second when they found out who the kid/family was immediately started saying she made things up. She didn't. She was raped. Does that mean Araiza himself raped her? No. Does it mean that the young woman in this story wasn't raped. Absolutely not. 

 

I also have a lot of friends in a lot of major athletic departments (Alabama, Texas, Syracuse, Stanford, Cal, Washington, OU) who have a lot of stories of schools dedicating a lot of resources to keeping their football/basketball brand as clean as possible. So forgive me for my cynicism. 

 

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I can certainly get behind the fact that everything doesn’t add up from her side. But I also don’t think this article absolves SDSU football or SDSU police what so ever.  

 

As far as I am concerned my big take away is something’s don’t add up from Araiza, the young woman, and others. It isn’t that she wasn’t assaulted, it’s that there isn’t enough evidence to move forward. 

 

I didn't think that this was so all that spicy, but here we are. 

[prissythecat]

11 minutes ago, Billsfan777 said:

Both the gm an head coach should go out on national TV an apologize to Matt araiza..an matt should not only sue the ***** out of that 2 dollar ***** but the buffalobills as well for wrongfully termination 

You do understand the concept of at will employment right?  The Bills owe nothing to Araiza and he has no basis to sue them.

[4merper4mer]

32 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

People like yourself believed her. He will never get his reputation back by part of society because of this I’d sue everyone if I were in his shoes and let the chips fall where they may. 

People like yourself?

 

Who are those types of people?  Do you mean those who don’t look at anything as truth because a person calls it truth?  For the record I didn’t believe or disbelieve the woman, her lawyer, Araiza, or his lawyer about the underlying facts at any point in all of this. I did realize that  both lawyers displayed themselves as complete morons.  You can check back on my posts if you’d like.  
 

Anyone who thought they could determine truth by the limited data available in the press, much of which had been proven false even back then, has a flaw in their definition of fact versus opinion/guess.  I had a guess…..still do….but choose not to state it because I realize it is a guess.  
 

At no point then or now do I portray our current societal trends as fair.  I do realize however that they exist and simply wishing they would go away is childish.  
 

The Bills organization was in an impossible position in many ways because they had to think of not just Araiza the punter, but also Araiza the person.  Their decision definitely harmed Araiza the punter but I strongly believed it was 1000000000000% the right one for Araiza the person.