Allen willing to change

[Scott7975]

Decent article about how Allen is willing to change his approach to the game.  

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-news-bills-gm-glad-with-josh-allen-willing-to-make-major-change-in-2023/ar-AA1aNByo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=febbd7a84f9243298cf8730389c79025&ei=13

[Milanos Milano]

Good, he needs to. We need him around for the long haul. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

3rd and 6

1st Quarter

Score 0-0

 

Allen drops back and there is immediate pressure.  Don’t run.  Don’t spin.  Don’t hurdle.

 

Just spike the ball at the feet of your running back who stayed in (and failed) to block.

 

Punt.

 

Allen starts doing that…then we can believe he is serious about starting to play this game at the level required for the long haul.

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Good, he needs to. We need him around for the long haul. 

 

Makes sense. The only 2 times he has been hurt in his career have been getting hit in the pocket.

 

I think if you do an injury comparison, the vast majority of QBs get hurt on hits in the pocket.

 

Murray tore an ACL while running out of the pocket...Tannehill tore an ACL while running out of bounds, but most injuries are from in the pocket hits.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Big Turk

[BillsShredder83]

8 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

3rd and 6

1st Quarter

Score 0-0

 

Allen drops back and there is immediate pressure.  Don’t run.  Don’t spin.  Don’t hurdle.

 

Just spike the ball at the feet of your running back who stayed in (and failed) to block.

 

Punt.

 

Allen starts doing that…then we can believe he is serious about starting to play this game at the level required for the long haul.

No. Are you nuts

 

Don't run designed qb runs on 3rd and 1 at our own 30.

 

Or the above scenario use the sideline, or slide before contact after the 1st down. No need for the overkill you're talking about

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Makes sense. The only 2 times he has been hurt in his career have been getting hit in the pocket.

 

I think if you do an injury comparison, the vast majority of QBs get hurt on hits in the pocket.

 

Murray tore an ACL while running out of the pocket...Tannehill tore an ACL while running out of bounds, but most injuries are from in the pocket hits.

It’s more about long term sustainability as opposed to specific injuries. All those hits add up and will eventually take its toll

[Big Blitz]

This is 2023 NFL - he should scramble whenever he can especially in bigger games.  
 

Just AVOID CONTACT down field.   
 

Slide.  Get out of bounds.  
 

This isn’t hard.  
 

 

Designed QB runs - there should be none called until after week 14.  

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

3rd and 6

1st Quarter

Score 0-0

 

Allen drops back and there is immediate pressure.  Don’t run.  Don’t spin.  Don’t hurdle.

 

Just spike the ball at the feet of your running back who stayed in (and failed) to block.

 

Punt.

 

Allen starts doing that…then we can believe he is serious about starting to play this game at the level required for the long haul.

 

That's not what Beane and McD are talking about.  They said they're fine with him running, but he needs to not take unnecessary hits like where he lowers his shoulder and delivers a hit when just running out of bounds or sliding is the better option.

 

Beane was on Green Light with Chris Long and specifically mentioned the Vikings game after he injured his elbow against the Jets.  Docs said he'd likely miss 1-3 weeks.  Josh said he could play that week and the Doc said he'd only clear him if Josh agreed to protect himself.  Beane said 2nd quarter he's running, already had the first down at midfield and instead of sliding, lowers his shoulder against an oncoming Safety.

 

Those are the unnecessary hits they're talking about.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Billz4ever

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Makes sense. The only 2 times he has been hurt in his career have been getting hit in the pocket.

 

I think if you do an injury comparison, the vast majority of QBs get hurt on hits in the pocket.

 

Murray tore an ACL while running out of the pocket...Tannehill tore an ACL while running out of bounds, but most injuries are from in the pocket hits.

 

 

He suffered the turf toe injury running against Tampa.  

 

I like him running to avoid being hit in the pocket because those are truly more likely to be where he gets injured but more concerned about the cumulative impact of lot's of violent collisions downfield. 

 

Running needs to be part of his game but taking the punishing hits in the process needs to effectively end if there is hope of him playing another 10+ years at a high level.

[Westside]

Hopefully that means throwing the open short pass rather then playing hero ball.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Westside said:

Hopefully that means throwing the open short pass rather then playing hero ball.

 

And hopefully that's where Kincaid really comes in.  

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He suffered the turf toe injury running against Tampa.  

 

I like him running to avoid being hit in the pocket because those are truly more likely to be where he gets injured but more concerned about the cumulative impact of lot's of violent collisions downfield. 

 

Running needs to be part of his game but taking the punishing hits in the process needs to effectively end if there is hope of him playing another 10+ years at a high level.

Also the concussion vs Pats outside the pocket iirc

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Makes sense. The only 2 times he has been hurt in his career have been getting hit in the pocket.

 

I think if you do an injury comparison, the vast majority of QBs get hurt on hits in the pocket.

 

Murray tore an ACL while running out of the pocket...Tannehill tore an ACL while running out of bounds, but most injuries are from in the pocket hits.

That's because the vast majority of QBs are found inside the pocket

[GunnerBill]

The two serious injuries were inside the pocket being hit. At least one of the two outside was him running from pressure. 

 

Answer? Protect Josh. I actually think that is more important than weapons. He isn't an elite processor. So he does need half a second longer than Joe Burrow or Mahomes but his arm and accuracy when he is set mean if you can give him that extra half second he is more capable than both of making chicken salad with chicken sh*t at receiver.

[JMM]

He has stated this several times the last few years. I will believe it when I see it. I hope he does finally get it, he needs to and soon.

[PrimeTime101]

53 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

3rd and 6

1st Quarter

Score 0-0

 

Allen drops back and there is immediate pressure.  Don’t run.  Don’t spin.  Don’t hurdle.

 

Just spike the ball at the feet of your running back who stayed in (and failed) to block.

 

Punt.

 

Allen starts doing that…then we can believe he is serious about starting to play this game at the level required for the long haul.

LOL! ok man..

[TheBrownBear]

45 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

No. Are you nuts

 

Don't run designed qb runs on 3rd and 1 at our own 30.

 

Or the above scenario use the sideline, or slide before contact after the 1st down. No need for the overkill you're talking about

Yeah, might as well start punting on 3rd and 10+ too!

[Scott7975]

I dont think he means just running.  I think he also talking about taking what the defense gives when he needs to.  Also, I dont think running is ever going to be out of his game.  Nor do I think it should.  It's part of what makes Allen special.  He just needs to learn to avoid the hits more.  

[TheBrownBear]

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He suffered the turf toe injury running against Tampa.  

 

I like him running to avoid being hit in the pocket because those are truly more likely to be where he gets injured but more concerned about the cumulative impact of lot's of violent collisions downfield. 

 

Running needs to be part of his game but taking the punishing hits in the process needs to effectively end if there is hope of him playing another 10+ years at a high level.

Exactly.  It's pretty simple.  Limit the designed QB power runs and slide before contact in the open field when at all possible.

[newcam2012]

51 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Makes sense. The only 2 times he has been hurt in his career have been getting hit in the pocket.

 

I think if you do an injury comparison, the vast majority of QBs get hurt on hits in the pocket.

 

Murray tore an ACL while running out of the pocket...Tannehill tore an ACL while running out of bounds, but most injuries are from in the pocket hits.

Agree. Allen has more than proved his body is durable and able to handle the hits when he takes off. Of course, no need to be reckless or take unnecessary risks. However, I tho k Allen does a decent job of protecting himself. He's a big body. 

 

I want Allen to use his legs. That's one part of his game that makes him dangerous. I don't want to see a pure drop back passer. I still want to see plenty of RPOs. 

 

You can't play the game scared or timid. Be assertive to aggressive when you play. Let's not limit Allen's toolbox. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

It’s more about long term sustainability as opposed to specific injuries. All those hits add up and will eventually take its toll

You really can't assume that. Some of the worst hits Allen and other QBs have taken is in the pocket. 

 

Based on your logic, maybe Allen should hand of the ball more and not pass. 

 

As another posted pointed out QBs are much more likely to get hurt passing. 

 

This notion of limiting Allen's legs limits the weapons of the team's offense.

 

Of course, I'm not advocating reckless and careless running by Allen. We have 5 years of Allen running and basically being injury free. 

 

As he gets older he will likely run less. For now, let Josh be Josh. 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by newcam2012