Buffalo Fanatics has a point - Burrow is elite but JA is superior

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

JuJu, Kelce, ... meh.  

 

Easy there Festus.  I didn't say he would suck, I said he wouldn't be as good and I meant it marginally.  He'd still be great, I doubt he'd have won a SB here.  He'd be carrying McD & Beane the same as Allen now is.  Coaching, OL, and while you tout our "top-ranked defense," it played like a bottom-ranked defense in the playoffs generally speaking.  I've laid that out statistically several times here, although understood if you haven't seen it.  Then of course coaching, unless you're comparing Reid to McD that is.  

 

Look, I'm not one of these people in a dick-measuring competition with the other NFL teams over who has the best QB.  As I see it they're all different and do things that the others don't do.  IMO the differences between them is one of the more intriguing aspects of the game, much as Marino and Kelly were different, or Marino and Young for example.  If all QBs were identical in terms of style of play, how boring would that be. 

 

And frankly, one can win a SB without a top-ranked QB if the other areas of the team are solid.  Kelly was by no means the best QB in the league back in his day, although he was in the top bunch.  But our [truly] great D with Bruce, whom we have nothing even remotely resembling right now, and others, our OL then blows our OL today away whereas so does KC's OL today blow ours away, and very good but hardly superlative WRs and TEs, and yet we went to the SB despite not winning one, which again, IMO was due to coaching.  Put Parcells, Gibbs, or Johnson on the Bills back then, and Levy on their teams, and we'd be 2-2 or even 3-1 in SBs and we wouldn't all have Championship envy.  

 

Mahomes is good, but to suggest that all of the other elements that helped the Chiefs win SBs were irrelevant after him is ludicrous.  And frankly, if he would have been just as good here, then why haven't we even made a SB with Allen?  At the same time, put Allen on KC over the same period and IMO he's got his ring already.  Allen's hardly significantly worse, in fact, consider all of the games we've won specifically due to his rushing, and often when our own RBs were worthless.  Could Mahomes do that?  I doubt it.  But more importantly, why is it necessary on our team, for our QB to run that much that is ... part of my point.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Josh Allen was coming off his best season of his nfl career, after trading Diggs and replacing him with a receiver who averages less than 800 yards: season, just won his 2nd mvp and 2nd SB, we would think anyone who tried to discount in any way would have to be the biggest moron on the planet. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Which part? The part where I said Mahomes is better? I mean the metrics for qbs are championships, stats, win/loss records. One guy has more than the other but it’s somehow subjective to say that guy is better?

 

If what you mean by subjective is whether Mahomes would be good with the Bills then you can make that same argument for anybody in the history of the NFL. Systems are great. Coaches are great. But players are above all because they execute on the field to win. A great player is going to be great no matter where he goes

 

Read your statement again.  

 

On order for an argument, debate, thesis, or anything, to be objective, what is a minimal requirement?  

 

 

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If Josh Allen was coming off his best season of his nfl career, after trading Diggs and replacing him with a receiver who averages less than 800 yards: season, just won his 2nd mvp and 2nd SB, we would think anyone who tried to discount in any way would have to be the biggest moron on the planet. 

 

We'll, since you've chosen that approach, id equally suggest that anyone not understanding the value of continuity and chemistry between QBs and OLs would equally "have to be the biggest moron on the planet." 

 

That's without even touching on the coaching concept.  

 

🙂

 

 

[90sBills]

37 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Read your statement again.  

 

On order for an argument, debate, thesis, or anything, to be objective, what is a minimal requirement?  

 

 

 

We'll, since you've chosen that approach, id equally suggest that anyone not understanding the value of continuity and chemistry between QBs and OLs would equally "have to be the biggest moron on the planet." 

 

That's without even touching on the coaching concept.  

 

🙂

 

 

I’m not sure where you’re going with this but it’s not important. I’ve said Mahomes is the better qb (the best currently) and also Allen can win a sb with the Bills. The first part is not subjective and the second part is because I’m a fan after all.

[PBF81]

46 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I’m not sure where you’re going with this but it’s not important. I’ve said Mahomes is the better qb (the best currently) and also Allen can win a sb with the Bills. The first part is not subjective and the second part is because I’m a fan after all.

 

[Chuckle]  

 

Go Bills!!!    

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If Josh Allen was coming off his best season of his nfl career, after trading Diggs and replacing him with a receiver who averages less than 800 yards: season, just won his 2nd mvp and 2nd SB, we would think anyone who tried to discount in any way would have to be the biggest moron on the planet. 

In this scenario you would be remiss not to mention how much the Chiefs improved their O line since the debacle against Tampa Bay.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Did Josh blow a 3-point lead with just 13 seconds left and the Chiefs starting at their own 25.

Was it Allen's fault that the Bengals kicked the crap out of the Bills by dominating the LOS on both sides of the ball.

 

Allen can better though. His "hero ball" ways are great when it works but sometimes it leads to bad turnovers. Josh needs to clean up that part of his game. Mahomes is the best QB in the game right now. Burrow is very talented, but I am not sure he is better than Allen. The Bengals just have a better team than the Bills. IMHO.

I don’t think Allen will ever clean up that part of his game. It’s in his DNA and I think that’s what makes him great. Sometimes you have to take the good w/ the bad. I could be wrong, but he’s going on his 6th year and I doubt it anything will change drastically. 

[Gregg]

11 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I don’t think Allen will ever clean up that part of his game. It’s in his DNA and I think that’s what makes him great. Sometimes you have to take the good w/ the bad. I could be wrong, but he’s going on his 6th year and I doubt it anything will change drastically. 

 

Hopefully with a better OL (Allen never really had a good OL here) that gives him better pass protection as well as a good running game with the RB's doing the running that will help him clean up his game. Josh even said it himself that he can't continue to take the hits if he wants to have a long career.