Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Jrb1979]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't own seasons anymore and am not interested in them. You stated that you are looking forward to hotels and restaurants and bars and I was letting you know that there is nothing that hints at this happening. No large chain will build based off 8 days of business a year. Not sure why even a local restaurant would build there for 8 days of business. It makes no fiscal sense, which probably explains why we see no permits being pulled around the stadium for any of these. 

Ps, the Cleveland Browns stadium is still very blue collar and tailgates similarly to Buffalo.


 

My response was for @mrags saying how they are going to change the experience and eventually adding restaurants in the area. 

 

As far as Cleveland goes, while they still tailgate, it's less a college feel to it. You don't hear of idiots like you do in Buffalo with the table slamming 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

46 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Communist? Kind of the other way around. He wants the riff-raff priced out of an oak-lined hotel bar next to the stadium where he can sip single malt while smoking an illegal Cuban. I'll take my Blue Light in a parking lot, thank you very much.

Communists these days in this country are typically rich people who wear che t-shirts. You know who I mean. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

My response was for @mrags saying how they are going to change the experience and eventually adding restaurants in the area. 

 

As far as Cleveland goes, while they still tailgate, it's less a college feel to it. You don't hear of idiots like you do in Buffalo with the table slamming 

You haven't been to a Cleveland, have you? There was a recent story about a Cleveland tailgater in the hospital due to jumping off of a tailgate bus. And there was a massive brawl that became national news at a Cleveland tailgate a year or two ago. 

[mrags]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

There will be new business in general. There has been new businesses in Orchard Park every year for the past three decades.

However, no large hotel chain or business is building in OP because of 8 days of crowds per year. 

I mean yeah, there isn’t going to be a Waldorf being built in OP. But I’m willing to bet something similar to a Hilton garden inn, or Marriot courtyard will be built near there. Keep in mind I never stated any names attatched to any of it. But I do expect it to happen. 
 

notice I never said chain either. I don’t expect a Buffalo Wild Wings to move in across the street. They were just a mile away and couldn’t hang anyway. Local restaurateurs however will be in the market for bars and eateries. And I’d bet you a beer that a hotel will probably be built at the McKinley mall site which is a mile down the road. 

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

You haven't been to a Cleveland, have you? There was a recent story about a Cleveland tailgater in the hospital due to jumping off of a tailgate bus. And there was a massive brawl that became national news at a Cleveland tailgate a year or two ago. 

I have and yes those things happen. Not as frequently as in Buffalo were table slamming and condiment guy happens weekly. IMO part of raising the price is to eliminate the college tailgating atmosphere 

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

I mean yeah, there isn’t going to be a Waldorf being built in OP. But I’m willing to bet something similar to a Hilton garden inn, or Marriot courtyard will be built near there.
 

I accept your bet.

I don't see why any Marriot or Hilton would build in OP because of 8 days of business per year. It is simply not how business decisions are made. Especially with the Hamptons flanking the area in Hamburg and East Aurora, but never full (non-stop vacancies). 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I have and yes those things happen. Not as frequently as in Buffalo were table slamming and condiment guy happens weekly. IMO part of raising the price is to eliminate the college tailgating atmosphere 

Because we can't have poors having fun or even attending a football game, amirite?

 

Gotta price them out to eliminate that element 

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

IMO part of raising the price is to eliminate the college tailgating atmosphere 

Yeah, I don't think Pegula cares about that. In fact, his wife loves that tailgating atmosphere. 

What they want from raising prices is MONEY.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

You don't want to hear it but Terry is the only reason we aren't watching the Toronto Bon Jovi Bills now. I also don't think either of you watch the Sabres much, other than the scoreboard and standings. It just takes longer to develop a team in hockey. The Sabres are slowly getting there now that they have a goalie and defense.

I watch a lot of the Sabres. I have stayed up for this entire WC run. 
 

If Detroit makes the post season Kevyn Adams will be the longest tenured GM without a playoff appearance. I’m not sure anybody who says “hockey rebuilds take a long time” in defense of Adams/Pegula is watching very much hockey across the league.

 

The problem with this version of the Sabres is their roster construction is flawed. 
 

The problem with the Sabres the last 13 years is an owner who convinced he is a “hockey man”. 

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Because we can't have poors having fun or even attending a football game, amirite?

 

Gotta price them out to eliminate that element 

Never said that.  I

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Yeah, I don't think Pegula cares about that. In fact, his wife loves that tailgating atmosphere. 

What they want from raising prices is MONEY.

Pegula may not care but I'm sure the NFL does. Yes they want to be near the top of revenues. 

[K-9]

45 minutes ago, mrags said:

The point of it was that he was literally non existent in Buffalo, business venture wise. Until he started buying teams here. Then all the sudden restaurants. Bars. Breweries. Hotels. Real estate. Etc. He was nobody in the area until owning the teams. All he’s doing is maximizing his profits. Gotta put gas in the yatch after all. 

Put money on it there will be new businesses, restaurants, bars, and likely a hotel or 2 will pop up near/around the stadium. And they won’t be dumps like the Prospector, Kettles  and motel 6

So it’s a bad thing that he made commitments in the revitalization of Harbor Center with various construction projects and the hundreds of jobs that generated? He didn’t have to do that. But it makes good sense to invest in the community around which your teams are centered. I just don’t see the negative in that. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ofc he isn't a hero lol

 

He doesn't give two s**** about us or Buffalo at the end of the day

He was a hero for outbidding Bon Jovi/Trump on the Bills. In theory the only thing holding the Sabres back from an early 2000’s dynasty was Golisano’s willingness to spend on Briere and Drury and Pegula came in and said “Hockey Heaven”.

 

That grace period has ended and he gets judged for the work he’s doing. 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I accept your bet.

I don't see why any Marriot or Hilton would build in OP because of 8 days of business per year. It is simply not how business decisions are made. Especially with the Hamptons flanking the area in Hamburg and East Aurora, but never full (non-stop vacancies). 

You will notice I did say multiple times I made a point to say I would not commit to any name brand at all building a hotel. But there will be one. When I mentioned Hilton or Marriot I was referring to size, capacity, quality of hotel. 
 

https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/bufaggi-hilton-garden-inn-buffalo-airport/?SEO_id=GMB-AMER-GI-BUFAGGI&y_source=1_MjA4NDA3Ny03MTUtbG9jYXRpb24ud2Vic2l0ZQ%3D%3D

 

https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/14086%2C Lancaster%2C NY/entity/CgoIqdHaioq8wJJ1EAE?q=marriott courtyard&g2lb=2503771%2C2503781%2C4284970%2C4814050%2C4874190%2C4893075%2C4965990%2C72277293%2C72302247%2C72317059%2C72406588%2C72414906%2C72421566%2C72456710%2C72458066%2C72462234%2C72464394%2C72469155%2C72470440%2C72470899%2C72471280%2C72472051%2C72473841%2C72483525%2C72484736%2C72485656%2C72485658%2C72486063%2C72486593%2C72494250%2C72498532%2C72510103%2C72511833%2C72512134%2C72512933%2C72513422%2C72513513%2C72523972%2C72525062%2C72535898%2C72542512&hl=en-US&gl=us&ssta=1&ts=CAESCAoCCAMKAggDGiAKAhoAEhoSFAoHCOgPEAMYFhIHCOgPEAMYFxgBMgIQACoNCgk6A1VTREICCC4aAA&rp=EKnR2oqKvMCSdRCxyZiDr8nIpVQQiKyr2c7EuIn8ARCQ7Pfs7_nftXI4AUABSAOiARQxNDA4NiwgTGFuY2FzdGVyLCBOWcABA5oCAggA&ap=aAE&ictx=111&ved=0CAAQ5JsGahcKEwiIyKHl9YiFAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQBg&utm_campaign=sharing&utm_medium=link&utm_source=htls
 

these aren’t exactly pillars of architectural engineering or anything. But I expect something similar within a few miles of the stadium once it’s built. I’ll say of the stadium is built and ready for 2026 I expect something similar by 2030. So there’s my time frame. If you can remember in the next 6-7 years to ask me for your beer I’ll gladly buy you one when that time comes. 

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So it’s a bad thing that he made commitments in the revitalization of Harbor Center with various construction projects and the hundreds of jobs that generated? He didn’t have to do that. But it makes good sense to invest in the community around which your teams are centered. I just don’t see the negative in that. 

I never said there were negatives in it at all. I simply said he didn’t give a chit about the area until he owned teams here. And then all the sudden started buying up properties and opening businesses. All lining his pockets. I’m simply stating that he may not give a crap about the area and only cares about his savings account. 

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So it’s a bad thing that he made commitments in the revitalization of Harbor Center with various construction projects and the hundreds of jobs that generated? He didn’t have to do that. 

The funniest thing they did was give that presentation to all of their employees telling them that they need to increase their productivity so that the Pegula's billionaire lifestyle didn't take any hits.

Edited March 22 by Einstein

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

I never said there were negatives in it at all. I simply said he didn’t give a chit about the area until he owned teams here. And then all the sudden started buying up properties and opening businesses. All lining his pockets. I’m simply stating that he may not give a crap about the area and only cares about his savings account. 

His investment in the area and having his HQ in Olean for years suggests he does give a crap and that’s all I have to say on the matter. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ah yes, it sounds like this new stadium experience and ticketing presentation is REALLY going over well. (But I hear there’s a free PowerPoint.) 

This is a good reminder that the Pegulas shared a slide to all PSE employees that read “family lifestyle and taxes” as their expectations for their investments. 
 

 

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[mrags]

33 minutes ago, K-9 said:

His investment in the area and having his HQ in Olean for years suggests he does give a crap and that’s all I have to say on the matter. 

K. Cool. I’m done talking about it. This isn’t the thread for this anyway. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I missed this post. Who said this?

It was Kirby in the COO thread. 
 

I don’t think he didn’t say they were bad. I believe it was something along the lines of “not known for being well run on the business side”. I am paraphrasing. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

I watch a lot of the Sabres. I have stayed up for this entire WC run. 
 

If Detroit makes the post season Kevyn Adams will be the longest tenured GM without a playoff appearance. I’m not sure anybody who says “hockey rebuilds take a long time” in defense of Adams/Pegula is watching very much hockey across the league.

 

The problem with this version of the Sabres is their roster construction is flawed. 
 

The problem with the Sabres the last 13 years is an owner who convinced he is a “hockey man”. 

 

Well Adams and Granato are going to extend their tenures next year.

[billsfanmiamioh]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

This is a good reminder that the Pegulas shared a slide to all PSE employees that read “family lifestyle and taxes” as their expectations for their investments. 
 

 

In all the times I’ve seen this referenced, I don’t think I’ve ever read a firsthand report from a PSE employee on how exactly it was presented. Sure from that graphic alone it seems “out of touch” but what was the context and tone? Was it in fact presented to the entire PSE organization? Was it something openly discussed in the meeting? Was it just a piece of information thrown on a slide that was stating the obvious but never even talked about? I think the answers to those questions would be important information to know before getting the pitchforks out. 
 
Shouldn't exactly be shocking that billionaires expect an ROI that will allow them to maintain their lifestyle.  I’m nowhere near a billionaire but any type of long term strategic planning that impacts finances (what doesn’t?), maintaining “quality of life” is certainly near the top of the list of considerations. 
 

I’d really like to know if the tone of this whole thing was “get your act together so we can keep the yacht fueled up” or if it’s just the typical mob mentality demonizing.