ddaryl Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: the PSL prices have been released by the Bills? He said he received some information, and he usually is in tune with this stuff... Which also explains the wide range for his tickets PSL of $1500 - $3000 cost I quoted him on. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, ddaryl said: He said he received some information, and he usually is in tune with this stuff... Which also explains the wide range for his tickets PSL of $1500 - $3000 cost I quoted him on. Wouldn't all STHers have this same info? Quote
SoCal Deek Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Is it? Diesel excavators have been around for 100 years. I expect the Bills stadium to be constructed with lot's of seemingly modest sized equipment that will take tons of time to do the job and subsequently make the production cost much more difficult to calculate. And of course, thousands and thousands of tiny 1/4 full loads of excavated material trucked to remote locations to be dumped. All that small bite construction is how you drain the budget and line your pockets in that biz. That’s definitely NOT how public works construction is done. Just saying. 1 Quote
RiotAct Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Is it? Diesel excavators have been around for 100 years. I expect the Bills stadium to be constructed with lot's of seemingly modest sized equipment that will take tons of time to do the job and subsequently make the production cost much more difficult to calculate. And of course, thousands and thousands of tiny 1/4 full loads of excavated material trucked to remote locations to be dumped. All that small bite construction is how you drain the budget and line your pockets in that biz. don’t forget 6 people standing around watching for every 1 person working 😏 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, RiotAct said: don’t forget 6 people standing around watching for every 1 person working 😏 Nah the guy in SoCal where SoFi stadium ended up costing twice as much as budgeted and was a year late being finished assures us that public works construction is not loaded with inefficiencies that probably should have been worked out in the past 50 years. 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Wouldn't all STHers have this same info? My brother in law is pretty connected when it comes to this, and it sounds very plausible from a co$t perspective Anyway it really is hearsay until its official I just feel given the tid bits of info that is out there, the reality of a new stadium and a surging team, a solid chunck of Season ticket holders will have to think hard about the investment IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens here but a new stadium will be conserably more expensive for fans. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Nah the guy in SoCal where SoFi stadium ended up costing twice as much as budgeted and was a year late being finished assures us that public works construction is not loaded with inefficiencies that probably should have been worked out in the past 50 years. Cost overruns are generally not due to the inefficiencies you’re referring to. And believe me when I say the ‘guy in SoCal’ has already forgotten more about public work’s construction than you ever thought you knew. Edited May 7, 2023 by SoCal Deek Quote
4merper4mer Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Cost overruns are generally not due to the inefficiencies you’re referring to. And believe me when I say the ‘guy in SoCal’ has already forgotten more about public work’s construction than you ever thought you knew. So memory loss is the issue? 1 2 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, 4merper4mer said: So memory loss is the issue? Now THAT me laugh. Well played. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 44 minutes ago, ddaryl said: My brother in law is pretty connected when it comes to this, and it sounds very plausible from a co$t perspective Anyway it really is hearsay until its official I just feel given the tid bits of info that is out there, the reality of a new stadium and a surging team, a solid chunck of Season ticket holders will have to think hard about the investment IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens here but a new stadium will be conserably more expensive for fans. Sure, some will be priced out. If it's a large number then it will be interesting to see what happens when there are much fewer takers than Pegula hoped. Then he will have to actually have to pay some of "his" share of construction out of pocket--and be forced to consider lowering the PSLs, giveng partial refunds to those who already bought them at the opening price. I could never go to Buffalo for every home game so it's not worth it to me even as an investment--especially with the cost of PSL thrown in. Resale isn't always above face value for all tickets. In fact I always go to games on tickets on the secondary market. You can nearly always find a seat trading for below retail. 3 Quote
PBF81 Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: the PSL prices have been released by the Bills? They released them in that survey that they sent out, what now, maybe 18 months ago or so. They seem to have stuck to those in subsequent releases of info. Quote
The Wiz Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, PBF81 said: They released them in that survey that they sent out, what now, maybe 18 months ago or so. They seem to have stuck to those in subsequent releases of info. I thought that's those numbers they released then were more of a "feeler" to gauge where the current STHers felt would be a worthwhile investment and not official costs. Could be wrong though. 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I thought that's those numbers they released then were more of a "feeler" to gauge where the current STHers felt would be a worthwhile investment and not official costs. Could be wrong though. No, I think that's right, but remember, they don't pull those numbers out of thin air. They seem to have supported them since then. We should find out soon. It's in the interests of both the team and fans to release them, open up sales, and give fans as much time as possible to pay for those PSLs over the few years it will take the stadium to be built. I'm with you, I only do secondary market anymore. Between the whacky weekend weather and flex games now, it's too risky to plan that far ahead, I even buy mine after the game gets locked in schedule wise. I'd rather pay a little more and be certain. We travel so well that road games are good options too. Anyway, Jets that survey, was in an article by Tim Graham in The Atlantic exactly a year ago. ---- Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and the end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,730 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $900 One-time PSL: $1,150 Location: Lower level between 40- and 20-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,900 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,200 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $750 Location: Field level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $820 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $1,400 Location: Mezzanine level corner Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $1,750 Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level corner Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $9,000 Location: Mezzanine level between the 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Moderate, canopy overhead Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $600 Location: Lower level between 25- and 15-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,310 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Lower level end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $1,750 Individual premium seating options Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,000 One-time PSL: $20,000 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,050 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,350 One-time PSL: $9,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 10-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,400 One-time PSL: $5,150 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $6,050 One-time PSL: $24,250 Location: Lower-level club suite between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Mezzanine-level club suite between 25- and 10-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $3,000 One-time PSL: $6,250 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $20,000 Suite seating options Location: Sideline executive suite Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $198,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box in corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $75,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $54,000 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $103,450 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $347,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $214,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level executive suite on sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $267,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $77,100 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, PBF81 said: No, I think that's right, but remember, they don't pull those numbers out of thin air. They seem to have supported them since then. We should find out soon. It's in the interests of both the team and fans to release them, open up sales, and give fans as much time as possible to pay for those PSLs over the few years it will take the stadium to be built. I'm with you, I only do secondary market anymore. Between the whacky weekend weather and flex games now, it's too risky to plan that far ahead, I even buy mine after the game gets locked in schedule wise. I'd rather pay a little more and be certain. We travel so well that road games are good options too. Anyway, Jets that survey, was in an article by Tim Graham in The Atlantic exactly a year ago. ---- Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and the end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,730 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $900 One-time PSL: $1,150 Location: Lower level between 40- and 20-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,900 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,200 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $750 Location: Field level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $820 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $1,400 Location: Mezzanine level corner Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $1,750 Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level corner Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $9,000 Location: Mezzanine level between the 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Moderate, canopy overhead Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $600 Location: Lower level between 25- and 15-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,310 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Lower level end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $1,750 Individual premium seating options Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,000 One-time PSL: $20,000 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,050 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,350 One-time PSL: $9,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 10-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,400 One-time PSL: $5,150 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $6,050 One-time PSL: $24,250 Location: Lower-level club suite between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Mezzanine-level club suite between 25- and 10-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $3,000 One-time PSL: $6,250 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $20,000 Suite seating options Location: Sideline executive suite Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $198,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box in corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $75,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $54,000 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $103,450 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $347,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $214,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level executive suite on sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $267,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $77,100 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required There's been no mention of them since then. 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CA OC Bills Fan Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I thought that's those numbers they released then were more of a "feeler" to gauge where the current STHers felt would be a worthwhile investment and not official costs. Could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure I heard an interview with Ron Raccuia on Friday where he said those prices were "on the ballpark". 1 Quote
mrags Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 2 hours ago, ddaryl said: My brother in law is pretty connected when it comes to this, and it sounds very plausible from a co$t perspective Anyway it really is hearsay until its official I just feel given the tid bits of info that is out there, the reality of a new stadium and a surging team, a solid chunck of Season ticket holders will have to think hard about the investment IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens here but a new stadium will be conserably more expensive for fans. STH will definitely have to really think about the investment. It’s not just dropping 2k-4K on ST anymore. Even if prices stayed the same your still looking at likely 3-6k for the average PSL. the Bills likely won’t be worried though. There’s currently a 7k person wait list to get seats. Add that to the 10k less seats the new stadium will hold. They will likely get somewhere in between 7-17k people to cancel their seats and just take from the new pool of people on the wait list. one thing can be assured, you will likely see a different kind of crowd at Bills game when the new stadium is built. Which is a good thing IMO. 20 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: the PSL prices have been released by the Bills? Not officially yet. But it should be coming very soon. By this summer they will start to contact ST holders 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: There's been no mention of them since then. As CA OC said, there's been mention of them, typically in interviews, by team people, I don't recall, but probably Raccuia, stating that those were in the ballpark. We should know definitively soon. The whole process will be quite interesting as will the fan feedback. 30 minutes ago, mrags said: STH will definitely have to really think about the investment. It’s not just dropping 2k-4K on ST anymore. Even if prices stayed the same your still looking at likely 3-6k for the average PSL. the Bills likely won’t be worried though. There’s currently a 7k person wait list to get seats. Add that to the 10k less seats the new stadium will hold. They will likely get somewhere in between 7-17k people to cancel their seats and just take from the new pool of people on the wait list. one thing can be assured, you will likely see a different kind of crowd at Bills game when the new stadium is built. Which is a good thing IMO. Not officially yet. But it should be coming very soon. By this summer they will start to contact ST holders Yeah, it'll be quite interesting for sure. Someone in this thread already mentioned lowers moving up to maintain their game budgets, which will put the sqeeze on those in those seats currently. The whole thing sounds kinda messy, but it is what it is. Agree with you tho, particularly on the improved crowd. Hope so anyway. And hopefully walking from the tailgate location to the gates won't be like walking thru skid-row. In other news, Allen will be 31 when the new stadium opens. Quote
mrags Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, PBF81 said: As CA OC said, there's been mention of them, typically in interviews, by team people, I don't recall, but probably Raccuia, stating that those were in the ballpark. We should know definitively soon. The whole process will be quite interesting as will the fan feedback. Yeah, it'll be quite interesting for sure. Someone in this thread already mentioned lowers moving up to maintain their game budgets, which will put the sqeeze on those in those seats currently. The whole thing sounds kinda messy, but it is what it is. Agree with you tho, particularly on the improved crowd. Hope so anyway. And hopefully walking from the tailgate location to the gates won't be like walking thru skid-row. In other news, Allen will be 31 when the new stadium opens. Haha. I was gonna comment about walking through a cesspool on the way into the game. yeah. It’s definitely going to be messy. A lot of fans will look to keep their budgets similar if possible. A way to do that will be to downgrade. Possibly saving on tickets but spending additional funds for PSLs. Same goes for seniority, the higher seniority people will get their picks first. Leaving nothing but terrible seats, or extremely expensive seats left to others without seniority. one of the reasons I upgraded to clubs this season. Because clubs eat members are going to get first crack. 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: When I was a kid in the 1950's, a backhoe was still frequently referred to, as a 'Steam Shovel' Steam shovel today 4 Quote
PBF81 Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, mrags said: one of the reasons I upgraded to clubs this season. Because clubs eat members are going to get first crack. Smart move! I'm quite content with secondaries, particularly since I live out of town. It should be interesting, and the comments here as well. Quote
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