Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[billsfanmiamioh]

9 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

I’m really curious to see if small market western NY, and the new high prices, will yield sellouts for all the games in the new stadium.

That’s why it’s only a 60K seat stadium 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

The Bills better have a really good team on the field if they want sellouts at those prices. I can tell you that PSL's were a disaster for the Giants and Jets. It didn't help that both teams have mostly sucked for the past 10 years or so. So many season ticket holders dropped their seasons and just purchase individual game tickets to avoid the PSL fee. The Bills should expect many of their fans to do the same thing.

I really don’t think it matters to them. They will get their PSL money either way. Brokers will buy them and just jack up resale prices. Hell, I don’t know if it’s legal for them to do it but I wouldn’t put it past any NFL team themselves to buy their own tickets and then sell them on the secondary market for more money. I’d imagine it works out in their favor if they were to do it. Probably take some losses here and there but also some huge wins. 

[mrags]

Just now, nucci said:

probably the reason seating is at 60K

It’s a huge reason the seating is only 60k. They now a ton of people will leave but between the waiting list and smaller capacity stadium they help keep the demand for tickets high to ensure every year they are fully booked with season tix 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

28 minutes ago, mrags said:

It’s a huge reason the seating is only 60k. They now a ton of people will leave but between the waiting list and smaller capacity stadium they help keep the demand for tickets high to ensure every year they are fully booked with season tix 

 

and they also price out the heavy drinkers

 

no fun for the plebs allowed, even in buffalo

 

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

and they also price out the heavy drinkers

 

no fun for the plebs allowed, even in buffalo

 

I called it about 2 years ago when this thing really got rolling. If people think the atmosphere is going to be the same in the new stadium, I’ve got news for you. It isn’t 

[RiotAct]

Just met with my New Stadium Account Executives:

 

 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

Just met with my New Stadium Account Executives:

 

 

good luck on a 10 year loan with them

[Process]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

I’m really curious to see if small market western NY, and the new high prices, will yield sellouts for all the games in the new stadium.

Once Allen retires we won't be able to make fun of Jacksonville/LA anymore. Place is going to be half empty in November/December. IMO. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

imagine getting a 10 year loan with interest to buy football tickets

 

Imagine getting a 10 year loan, with interest, to buy football tickets, to watch a game in a stadium paid for with mostly public money.....

I don't love the public subsidy of billionaires in general. But if you are going to do it it should have more public benefit than it does. Owners shouldn't be able to take public subsidy then profit from PSL's. Build your own stadium and charge whatever you want for tickets, broadcasts, streaming services, etc.

6 minutes ago, Process said:

Once Allen retires we won't be able to make fun of Jacksonville/LA anymore. Place is going to be half empty in November/December. IMO. 

 

Once Allen retires and their is the inevitable regime change from McBeane there is a real risk of the Bills circling the drain much like the Sabres. 

The Buffalo Bills are built in Brandon Beane's and Sean McDermott's image. Full stop. The Buffalo Sabres are, and have been built in Terry Pegula's image. 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Imagine getting a 10 year loan, with interest, to buy football tickets, to watch a game in a stadium paid for with mostly public money.....

I don't love the public subsidy of billionaires in general. But if you are going to do it it should have more public benefit than it does. Owners shouldn't be able to take public subsidy then profit from PSL's. Build your own stadium and charge whatever you want for tickets, broadcasts, streaming services, etc.

 

Once Allen retires and their is the inevitable regime change from McBeane there is a real risk of the Bills circling the drain much like the Sabres. 

The Buffalo Bills are built in Brandon Beane's and Sean McDermott's image. Full stop. The Buffalo Sabres are, and have been built in Terry Pegula's image. 

The Steelers have basically been good for 30 years because top down it's ran well

 

Every single person who has knowledge of how NFL teams work all say the bills are one of the best run teams in the NFL set up to succeed for a long time

 

Sure will probably never get Josh Allen again.. the Packers went from favre to Rogers to love

 

The bills being a good organization could absolutely develop a solid quarterback 

 

It's everybody from the pro personnel department, to the scouts, to the assistance

 

Everything 

 

 

 

[Mango]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Steelers have basically been good for 30 years because top down it's ran well

 

Every single person who has knowledge of how NFL teams work all say the bills are one of the best run teams in the NFL set up to succeed for a long time

 

Sure will probably never get Josh Allen again.. the Packers went from favre to Rogers to love

 

The bills being a good organization could absolutely develop a solid quarterback 

 

It's everybody from the pro personnel department, to the scouts, to the assistance

 

Everything 

 

 

 

I agree with all of that. I credit Brandon Beane not Terry Pegula. 
 

It is rare that NFL executives are given a long enough leash to work through multiple QB era’s. There are certainly examples though. Pittsburgh and Baltimore being two. 
 

I am saying that if the Bills move on in the post Josh Allen era, the team is likely to spiral with Terry Pegula at the helm. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every single person who has knowledge of how NFL teams work all say the bills are one of the best run teams in the NFL set up to succeed for a long time

 

If this is true, how does that explain the utter incompetence of the Sabres, even though they are owned by the same people as the Bills?

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

If this is true, how does that explain the utter incompetence of the Sabres, even though they are owned by the same people as the Bills?

Because it's the same thing that afflicted Ralph in the later years..  Ralph meddled because he fancied himself a football person

 

Pegula fancies himself a hockey person..  it's his favorite sport and he thinks he understands it... He's like Jerry Jones

 

He makes the decisions for the sabres..

 

He does not fancy himself knowledgeable enough to make football decisions... So when he bought the bills he tried really hard to put the best people in charge who actually know what they're doing

 

From top down in all departments

 

That's the difference between the sabres and the Bills 

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[Just Jack]

7pm EST, get a look at the new Stadium Experience. 
 

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

On 2/28/2024 at 11:50 AM, Process said:

Once Allen retires we won't be able to make fun of Jacksonville/LA anymore. Place is going to be half empty in November/December. IMO. 

That is a big assumption to make I disagree as a Buffalo Bills fan. Why I disagree is if Buffalo started having trouble filling the new Bills stadium the assumption could also be made that who ever are the Bills owners at the time in the future would just dome the rest of the New Bills Open Air Stadium. Because unlike the current Bills stadium this new Bills stadium is above ground not sunken already enclosed other than the playing field and with technology changes every decade. My assumption is that the Bills ownership would just ask the state to roof the rest of the stadium. Like US Tennis Open Arthur Ash Tennis Stadium in New York. That stadium was first built as an open air stadium and it was enclosed years down the line. All these so called amateur design developers say it can’t be done are anti dome favoring outdoor football I get that. But they aren’t being honest you can dome the new Bills stadium with the Bills fans on this board. Sometime down the line the potential is there to dome the rest of the new Bills stadium and it will be done if the interest fades in any way with the Bills attendance in November and December. The 1970’s and 1980’s half empty Rich Stadium days when the Bills weren’t very good are over. The NFL and the NFLPA isn’t going to let who ever the owner of the Bills is at that time and the Bills fans get away with what you are assuming half empty Bills stadium. It isn’t just the NFL owners the NFLPA and players sports unions in general are strong today. As a NFL owner you aren’t getting away with a hook to hang up your clothes with a stool to sit on. Those days are over if one doesn’t believe me take a look at the Buffalo Bisons clubhouse and the huge changes in the last 5 years. You got to feed the players breakfast and lunch while they are practicing working out. Minor league baseball is nothing like it was. The Bisons players have better setup than all three of our major league teams Bills, Sabres and Braves in the 1970’s era had. The three Buffalo sports teams at the time had a very basic locker room with a hook to hang up your clothes. You got some meal money on the road but that is it. Owners weren’t feeding the players breakfast and lunch daily when they were practicing. The players had to do that on their own time and with their own money in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Process]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

That is a big assumption to make I disagree as a Buffalo Bills fan. Why I disagree is if Buffalo started having trouble filling the new Bills stadium the assumption could also be made that who ever are the Bills owners at the time in the future would just dome the rest of the New Bills Open Air Stadium. Because unlike the current Bills stadium this new Bills stadium is above ground not sunken already enclosed other than the playing field and with technology changes every decade. My assumption is that the Bills ownership would just ask the state to roof the rest of the stadium. Like US Tennis Open Arthur Ash Tennis Stadium in New York. That stadium was first built as an open air stadium and it was enclosed years down the line. All these so called amateur design developers say it can’t be done are anti dome favoring outdoor football I get that. But they aren’t being honest you can dome the new Bills stadium with the Bills fans on this board. Sometime down the line the potential is there to dome the rest of the new Bills stadium and it will be done if the interest fades in any way with the Bills attendance in November and December. The 1970’s and 1980’s half empty Rich Stadium days when the Bills weren’t very good are over. The NFL and the NFLPA isn’t going to let who ever the owner of the Bills is at that time and the Bills fans get away with what you are assuming half empty Bills stadium. It isn’t just the NFL owners the NFLPA and players sports unions in general are strong today. As a NFL owner you aren’t getting away with a hook to hang up your clothes with a stool to sit on. Those days are over if one doesn’t believe me take a look at the Buffalo Bisons clubhouse and the huge changes in the last 5 years. You got to feed the players breakfast and lunch while they are practicing working out. Minor league baseball is nothing like it was. The Bisons players have better setup than all three of our major league teams Bills, Sabres and Braves in the 1970’s era had. The three Buffalo sports teams at the time had a very basic locker room with a hook to hang up your clothes. You got some meal money on the road but that is it. Owners weren’t feeding the players breakfast and lunch daily when they were practicing. The players had to do that on their own time and with their own money in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

jesus man

[Draconator]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

That is a big assumption to make I disagree as a Buffalo Bills fan. Why I disagree is if Buffalo started having trouble filling the new Bills stadium the assumption could also be made that who ever are the Bills owners at the time in the future would just dome the rest of the New Bills Open Air Stadium. Because unlike the current Bills stadium this new Bills stadium is above ground not sunken already enclosed other than the playing field and with technology changes every decade. My assumption is that the Bills ownership would just ask the state to roof the rest of the stadium. Like US Tennis Open Arthur Ash Tennis Stadium in New York. That stadium was first built as an open air stadium and it was enclosed years down the line. All these so called amateur design developers say it can’t be done are anti dome favoring outdoor football I get that. But they aren’t being honest you can dome the new Bills stadium with the Bills fans on this board. Sometime down the line the potential is there to dome the rest of the new Bills stadium and it will be done if the interest fades in any way with the Bills attendance in November and December. The 1970’s and 1980’s half empty Rich Stadium days when the Bills weren’t very good are over. The NFL and the NFLPA isn’t going to let who ever the owner of the Bills is at that time and the Bills fans get away with what you are assuming half empty Bills stadium. It isn’t just the NFL owners the NFLPA and players sports unions in general are strong today. As a NFL owner you aren’t getting away with a hook to hang up your clothes with a stool to sit on. Those days are over if one doesn’t believe me take a look at the Buffalo Bisons clubhouse and the huge changes in the last 5 years. You got to feed the players breakfast and lunch while they are practicing working out. Minor league baseball is nothing like it was. The Bisons players have better setup than all three of our major league teams Bills, Sabres and Braves in the 1970’s era had. The three Buffalo sports teams at the time had a very basic locker room with a hook to hang up your clothes. You got some meal money on the road but that is it. Owners weren’t feeding the players breakfast and lunch daily when they were practicing. The players had to do that on their own time and with their own money in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

You're not helping my alcohol craving score...

[Mrbojanglezs]

What's wrong with America:

 

Invest money in your 401k to grow for retirement? Nah I'm gonna take out a 10 year loan for the opportunity to buy overpriced football tickets. 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 2/28/2024 at 2:46 PM, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

If this is true, how does that explain the utter incompetence of the Sabres, even though they are owned by the same people as the Bills?

 

Same as the Bills before McDermott. Terry kept hiring the wrong people. I think they are on track with Kevyn Adams and Don Granato. It just takes longer to develop a hockey team.

On 2/28/2024 at 2:54 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Because it's the same thing that afflicted Ralph in the later years..  Ralph meddled because he fancied himself a football person

 

Pegula fancies himself a hockey person..  it's his favorite sport and he thinks he understands it... He's like Jerry Jones

 

He makes the decisions for the sabres..

 

He does not fancy himself knowledgeable enough to make football decisions... So when he bought the bills he tried really hard to put the best people in charge who actually know what they're doing

 

From top down in all departments

 

That's the difference between the sabres and the Bills 

.

 

There is no evidence of this. This is fan fiction born of frustration.

[PromoTheRobot]

The proposed new baseball stadium in Las Vegas, a dome, in the very heart of the Las Vegas strip, is budgeted for $300MM less than the Bills be stadium. I still can't wrap my brain around that.

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/athletics/updated-as-las-vegas-ballpark-renderings-revealed-3011874/

Edited March 5 by PromoTheRobot