SoCal Deek Posted February 18 Posted February 18 3 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Thanks Jurrah. Jerry Jones forced this on Pegula and Pegs just rolled over for belly scratches. Now the average fan will be forced out by the prices. A buddy of mine, RIP Zach, was a 30 year season ticket holder and would have been one of the many who won't be able to afford them for the new place. I’m not sure I agree. The price of tickets is more related to the price people are willing to pay for them than it is to the price of the stadium itself. I mean what’s to keep the Bills from raising prices now, in the ‘old’ stadium? It’s not like there’s another place that a WNY fan can go see an NFL game. And what good does it do the team to play in an empty new stadium? 1 Quote
Saxum Posted February 18 Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: They are in a hard spot. Either build a new stadium and price some people out or the team moves. They could have NOT decreased number of seats and designed it adding less expensive seats reserved for previous season ticket owners but they are trying to force scarcity by reducing number of ticket. I wish Jerry would have tried that model on his stadium first. Since the Bills are not paying for stadium but just leasing it the Erie County Stadium Corporation should have not accepted that design and should have mandated larger stadium. Since NFL no longer blacks out seats there is no issue it "extra" seats are not sold other than cost of extra sections. Quote
LeGOATski Posted February 18 Posted February 18 13 hours ago, mrags said: I might argue with that. The first row in the sidelines may not be as low as the current stadium. I’m sure they would rather have some more space away from fans right on top of the players while on sideline. As well as it is likely better for the fans to be up 5’ compared to what it currently is now. The first few rows have a hard time seeing the action over the players on the sidelines as it is. End zones are likely free game and will be just as low. And from what I have seen they will offer field level seating in at least one end zone. There’s quite a few stadiums that have them. That's great. You're not arguing with anything. Just speculating. Quote
mrags Posted February 18 Posted February 18 36 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: That's great. You're not arguing with anything. Just speculating. Touché 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 18 Posted February 18 3 hours ago, Punching Bag said: They could have NOT decreased number of seats and designed it adding less expensive seats reserved for previous season ticket owners but they are trying to force scarcity by reducing number of ticket. I wish Jerry would have tried that model on his stadium first. Since the Bills are not paying for stadium but just leasing it the Erie County Stadium Corporation should have not accepted that design and should have mandated larger stadium. Since NFL no longer blacks out seats there is no issue it "extra" seats are not sold other than cost of extra sections. With very exceptions the days of super large stadiums have pretty much gone extinct. The movement is towards a better experience with a smaller capacity. And that’s all because of the television contracts you cite. This isn’t difficult to understand. 1 2 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/16/2024 at 11:06 AM, Bob Jones said: They want to be sure to leave enough room for a running track in there, then if the Bills ever leave they can have track & field events! 😉 Soccer actually 1 Quote
mrags Posted February 18 Posted February 18 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: With very exceptions the days of super large stadiums have pretty much gone extinct. The movement is towards a better experience with a smaller capacity. And that’s all because of the television contracts you cite. This isn’t difficult to understand. Right. By doing this, they also allow themselves to keep ticket prices high as it’s more limited than it’s always been 1 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 18 Posted February 18 42 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Soccer actually I said the same thing but people would rather do some bitchin 1 Quote
Saxum Posted February 18 Posted February 18 40 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I said the same thing but people would rather do some bitchin That is a provident right being a Bills fan whether it is rational or not; carrying a torch is optional but still not allowed to be used on players' properties as done in past. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 19 Posted February 19 3 hours ago, mrags said: Right. By doing this, they also allow themselves to keep ticket prices high as it’s more limited than it’s always been With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc 1 Quote
mrags Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc Like you said. Balancing act. Can’t just have 10,000 fans at the game. But like you said, the days of 100k stadiums are over. Tv is better. Experiences at the stadium is what will bring people going forward. Quote
Saxum Posted February 19 Posted February 19 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 19 Posted February 19 7 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. You want Congress to investigate the NFL? For what exactly? The NFL, like other sports leagues, operates somewhat differently from other business models, for sure, but they still exist in a basic capitalist environment. I suggest you think of the NFL as a chain of franchised restaurants; not as 32 separate, competing restaurants. And while it might seem that they have a monopoly in a specific location, that's also not true. For example, just a few years ago, the LA market had no teams, and now the 'Corporate Office' decided that they would have two. As we've seen, Teams not unlike franchise restaurants, are opening and closing locations quite regularly based on the perceived market. 1 Quote
Just Jack Posted February 19 Posted February 19 On 2/16/2024 at 10:56 AM, LabattBlue said: “Closer”? Why then is the 1st row of seats in the lower bowl ~15-20’ farther away from the field? They're tired of @CountryCletus throwing beaver pelts at the field after every score. Quote
John from Riverside Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. Must… Resist… Comment Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Second, no one is stopping others from launching a rival league to the NFL. Anyone with a spare trillion can do it. 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Quote
LeGOATski Posted February 19 Posted February 19 55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Second, no one is stopping others from launching a rival league to the NFL. Anyone with a spare trillion can do it. The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. 1 1 1 1 Quote
LabattBlue Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. So if you don’t want to watch the WFL/USFL/XFL etc…, you aren’t a “true” football fan? Okay football super fan. How is the view from your pedestal? Edited February 19 by LabattBlue 2 2 Quote
nucci Posted February 19 Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. it's not a rival league. It's made of players who can't play in the NFL. 1 1 1 1 Quote
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