Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I haven’t heard them say anything to this effect and I wouldn’t count on it. This whole project feels “bare bones” to me. Of all the NFL stadiums built in the past 10 years or so, the rendering for our new house feel the most bland/not special. It doesn’t have the unique shape structure and views of the Vikings new digs. And it doesn’t have the massiveness of Jerry World. And it doesn’t have the mall/iconic circular opening of the Falcons new stadium. It doesn’t have the insaneness of the Rams/Chargers stadium. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There is something unique and interesting and cool about each of the other stadiums. Nothing they have released so far gives me any hope of their being anything unique or iconic about our home. It’s just a boring, generic stadium that honestly looks like it could have been built in the 90’s.

 

It’s not something i’ll lose sleep over or anything, but I would be lying if I said it’s not kind of a bummer.

 

You can't compare something in orchard Park.. a town of 3,000 people

 

Compared to Jerry world in Dallas Texas, or something in Los Angeles or Atlanta

 

I certainly don't think it's a bummer because we don't have the best stadium in the world lol I think it's pretty awesome that the bills will be staying for my children's children

 

I would watch games at the Ralph forever and not complain at all because I'm there for football

 

I don't care about keeping up with the Joneses.. I want the bills in Buffalo

Edited January 14 by Buffalo716

[LabattBlue]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I haven’t heard them say anything to this effect and I wouldn’t count on it. This whole project feels “bare bones” to me. Of all the NFL stadiums built in the past 10 years or so, the rendering for our new house feel the most bland/not special. It doesn’t have the unique shape structure and views of the Vikings new digs. And it doesn’t have the massiveness of Jerry World. And it doesn’t have the mall/iconic circular opening of the Falcons new stadium. It doesn’t have the insaneness of the Rams/Chargers stadium. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There is something unique and interesting and cool about each of the other stadiums. Nothing they have released so far gives me any hope of their being anything unique or iconic about our home. It’s just a boring, generic stadium that honestly looks like it could have been built in the 90’s.

 

It’s not something i’ll lose sleep over or anything, but I would be lying if I said it’s not kind of a bummer.

 

I agree. I really hoped there would be a Bills HoF, but IMO if it was happening, it would have been announced by now. 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can't compare something in orchard Park.. a town of 3,000 people

 

Compared to Jerry world in Dallas Texas, or something in Los Angeles or Atlanta

 

I certainly don't think it's a bummer because we don't have the best stadium in the world lol I think it's pretty awesome that the bills will be staying for my children's children

 

I would watch games at the Ralph forever and not complain at all because I'm there for football

 

I don't care about keeping up with the Joneses.. I want the bills in Buffalo

The town of OP does not have 3000 people.

[peterpan]

The State Government should have insisted on a dome.  Being a huge investor, they should want a strong return.  A dome means it doubles as a huge conference center.  Winter concert venue.  Final Four College Bball tourney.  Potentially a Super Bowl.  It becomes a huge draw for other non-football events.

 

Also location.  I get that the land is already owned but, the area South of the city gets spanked with the localized snow.  Being further north a few miles minimizes that issue.  It would also get you closer to Niagara Falls, a huge international draw to the area which would help with the whole conference center idea.

 

and lastly, regarding a snowstorm, YES a dome would make the game more likely to be played.  Hotels on site or nearby would house the teams and officials etc who could walk to the stadium.   Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 
 

 

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, peterpan said:

Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 

 

 

Wake up!!!!  You are dreaming.  😂

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I agree. I really hoped there would be a Bills HoF, but IMO if it was happening, it would have been announced by now. 

The town of OP does not have 3000 people.

https://statisticalatlas.com/county/New-York/Erie-County/Population

 

Then its the village... But why is the population of orchard Park by places in Western New York... Counted at only 3,000

 

But then population by subdivision orchard Park is 27,000?

 

I figure they're getting some numbers from the Hamburg West Seneca borders

 

 

4 minutes ago, peterpan said:

The State Government should have insisted on a dome.  Being a huge investor, they should want a strong return.  A dome means it doubles as a huge conference center.  Winter concert venue.  Final Four College Bball tourney.  Potentially a Super Bowl.  It becomes a huge draw for other non-football events.

 

Also location.  I get that the land is already owned but, the area South of the city gets spanked with the localized snow.  Being further north a few miles minimizes that issue.  It would also get you closer to Niagara Falls, a huge international draw to the area which would help with the whole conference center idea.

 

and lastly, regarding a snowstorm, YES a dome would make the game more likely to be played.  Hotels on site or nearby would house the teams and officials etc who could walk to the stadium.   Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 
 

 

If they thought it would bring super bowls and all these concerts and money they do it

 

The actual stadium report showed that most stadiums are not operating the majority of the year.. and you're lucky to get 10 concerts a year

 

It's not as much as people think

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can't compare something in orchard Park.. a town of 3,000 people

Compared to Jerry world in Dallas Texas, or something in Los Angeles or Atlanta

 

The stadium isn't being built for Orchard Park. It is being built by New York State (19.8M people), for the region of Western New York (2.6M people). 

I find it a bit disingenuous for you to state such, especially considering your comparisons (Jerry World isn't in Dallas, nor are the Rams/Chargers stadium in the city of LA).

 

47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We didn't get any choices for the Yankees or Mets stadiums..

 

We are in a representative Republic.. we elect officials to represent us

 

Part of a representative Republic are referendums. If you don't know what those are, here is an article about them. 

 

In short, it is common for a referendum to draw public vote on an issue.

Speaking of Yankees stadium, a referendum was placed on the ballot in 1998 in NYC over the stadium but Mayor Giuliani vetoed the referendum. 

[oldmanfan]

28 minutes ago, peterpan said:

The State Government should have insisted on a dome.  Being a huge investor, they should want a strong return.  A dome means it doubles as a huge conference center.  Winter concert venue.  Final Four College Bball tourney.  Potentially a Super Bowl.  It becomes a huge draw for other non-football events.

 

Also location.  I get that the land is already owned but, the area South of the city gets spanked with the localized snow.  Being further north a few miles minimizes that issue.  It would also get you closer to Niagara Falls, a huge international draw to the area which would help with the whole conference center idea.

 

and lastly, regarding a snowstorm, YES a dome would make the game more likely to be played.  Hotels on site or nearby would house the teams and officials etc who could walk to the stadium.   Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 
 

 

The area does not have the hotel accommodations for a Final Four or Super Bowl.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The stadium isn't being built for Orchard Park. It is being built by New York State (19.8M people), for the region of Western New York (2.6M people). 

I find it a bit disingenuous for you to state such, especially considering your comparisons (Jerry World isn't in Dallas, nor are the Rams/Chargers stadium in the city of LA).

 

 

Part of a representative Republic are referendums. If you don't know what those are, here is an article about them. 

 

In short, it is common for a referendum to draw public vote on an issue.

Speaking of Yankees stadium, a referendum was placed on the ballot in 1998 in NYC over the stadium but Mayor Giuliani vetoed the referendum. 

 

My bad Jerry world is in Arlington which has like 15 times the population of orchard Park

 

And the bills are lucky to be in Buffalo in 2023... We are lucky to have a new stadium

 

There are only 32 NFL teams in the world and buffalo has the privilege to be one... 

 

And while some fans don't like the weather.. the majority of people in Western New York have always been fine with embracing the elements for the Buffalo Bills since the rock pile... Our fan base certainly embraces it

 

I know 70-year-old men who are furious the game is not getting played today.. it is not a massive Landslide for a dome

 

Maybe on this site and this site is not filled with Western New Yorkers

 

Bills Mafia is not soft... Buffalo is not soft

 

I didn't want a dome 20 years ago and I still don't ... And I'm not the only one

 

People are complaining about how much money we got publicly yet it would be a lot more with a dome and they would still be complaining

 

Edited January 14 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I didn't want a dome 20 years ago and I still don't ... And I'm not the only one

You could have just wrote that. That's a fine opinion to have. And with a referendum, you could have exercised that opinion with a vote.

The other arguments simply don't hold water.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

You could have just wrote that. That's a fine opinion to have. And with a referendum, you could have exercised that opinion with a vote.

The other arguments simply don't hold water.

 

The fact that Buffalo has gone for 60 years without a dome is certainly a precedence

 

The fact that we have packed two stadiums over 60 years and are known for our passionate fans that embraced the weather is a precedence

 

Buffalo is a hardened City with passionate fans, and embracing the elements has been part of our culture since the beginning

 

I can't see Yankee stadium ever being a dome like the Rogers center... Or lamabeau field 

 

Some things are meant to be... And the Buffalo Bills in open weather is certainly one of them in my opinion

Edited January 14 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

The fact that Buffalo has gone for 60 years without a dome is certainly a precedence

 

I think you mean precedent, but I do understand your point - It would be a big change.

 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It would be weird to actually change the entire atmosphere of the game after 60 years of passion...

I agree, which is why I want a retractable roof.

 

This would have enabled us to still have the crisp fall weather, the smell of the tailgates wafting in, etc. The only time the roof would need to be closed is in times of inclement weather.

 

Keep in mind, the players practice in a dome when there is inclement weather. The field house has a roof.

[Draconator]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

The State Government should have insisted on a dome.  Being a huge investor, they should want a strong return.  A dome means it doubles as a huge conference center.  Winter concert venue.  Final Four College Bball tourney.  Potentially a Super Bowl.  It becomes a huge draw for other non-football events.

 

Also location.  I get that the land is already owned but, the area South of the city gets spanked with the localized snow.  Being further north a few miles minimizes that issue.  It would also get you closer to Niagara Falls, a huge international draw to the area which would help with the whole conference center idea.

 

and lastly, regarding a snowstorm, YES a dome would make the game more likely to be played.  Hotels on site or nearby would house the teams and officials etc who could walk to the stadium.   Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 
 

 

Who's going to pay for the train or subway to go to the new stadium? How many millions or into the billions would that cost to make it a truly regional hub?

[beerme1]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I think you mean precedent, but I do understand your point - It would be a big change.

 

I agree, which is why I want a retractable roof.

 

This would have enabled us to still have the crisp fall weather, the smell of the tailgates wafting in, etc. The only time the roof would need to be closed is in times of inclement weather.

 

Keep in mind, the players practice in a dome when there is inclement weather. The field house has a roof.

 

3-500 million for a retractable roof to be opened 3-4 times a year. Sounds like a smart investment.

[Einstein]

Just now, beerme1 said:

 

3-500 million for a retractable roof to be opened 3-4 times a year. Sounds like a smart investment.

Is that any different than $1.7 Billion for a stadium that opens 8 to 10 times year?

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I remember this option being floated around. It really does make a ton of sense. Thought I heard UB didn’t like the idea?

If true somebody at UB should lose their job then. The opportunity to have an NFL quality indoor multi-purpose venue on your campus is something that should NOT have been passed up. 

[Just Jack]

1 minute ago, beerme1 said:

 

3-500 million for a retractable roof to be opened 3-4 times a year. Sounds like a smart investment.

 

The first Bills game in Toronto for the Toronto series, it was a pre-season game.  Driving into Toronto the dome was open, since it was a nice day.  Someone decided it had to be closed for the game.  So disappointed with that decision.  I don't think they had any game there with the roof opened.  

[QCity]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Is that any different than $1.7 Billion for a stadium that opens 8 to 10 times year?

 

Yes, about $500M.

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, peterpan said:

The State Government should have insisted on a dome.  Being a huge investor, they should want a strong return.  A dome means it doubles as a huge conference center.  Winter concert venue.  Final Four College Bball tourney.  Potentially a Super Bowl.  It becomes a huge draw for other non-football events.

 

Also location.  I get that the land is already owned but, the area South of the city gets spanked with the localized snow.  Being further north a few miles minimizes that issue.  It would also get you closer to Niagara Falls, a huge international draw to the area which would help with the whole conference center idea.

 

and lastly, regarding a snowstorm, YES a dome would make the game more likely to be played.  Hotels on site or nearby would house the teams and officials etc who could walk to the stadium.   Maybe fans can’t get to the game by car, but could potentially come by train/subway. 
 

 

The rest of the state didn't want the Bills to get a new stadium at all.  The eastern NY papers & many of the politicians said some pretty nasty stuff about the deal.  Tack on another half billion & the pols in Albany would have killed the whole deal.  Remember when Zeldin wanted to renegotiate the deal when he ran?  That was the downstate attitude.  

We're lucky there's any new stadium being built.  When the deal wasn't finalized my biggest fear was the wrong people would get in & Josh Allen would be the QB of the St. Louis Arch.  

[aceman_16]

1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

 

The first Bills game in Toronto for the Toronto series, it was a pre-season game.  Driving into Toronto the dome was open, since it was a nice day.  Someone decided it had to be closed for the game.  So disappointed with that decision.  I don't think they had any game there with the roof opened.  

They didn't 😞

[Buffalo Super Fan]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

If true somebody at UB should lose their job then. The opportunity to have an NFL quality indoor multi-purpose venue on your campus is something that should NOT have been passed up. 

No UB didn’t like the idea to play in the new Buffalo Bills stadium in Orchard Park that was too far away from there campus for there students. That is when the UB AD Mark Alnutt said UB would rather renovate UB Stadium then play in Orchard Park. Andrew Cuomo then New York State Governor said UB North Campus was a nonstarter when the Buffalo Bills mentioned that as one of the potential stadium sites. So basically a downstate New Yorker Cuomo was telling Western New Yorkers what is good for them. That sums up the problems between Downstate and Upstate for over 50 years of distrust. UB the school never nixed the idea of a new Buffalo Bills/UB Bulls stadium at UB North Campus or Downtown Buffalo with a extended subway.
 

The problem why the new Buffalo Bills stadium will never be anything more than now is because it’s isolated to one part of the Southtowns Orchard Park. Great for the Southtowns Orchard Park and surrounding areas but not so great for getting the majority of the Western New York population to events beyond the weekends like NFL football or an occasional concert. Even if the stadium was domed with hypothetically a Buffalo team in one of these leagues MLB, NBA or MLS the Buffalo team would fail slowly in a bad way see Arizona Coyotes NHL playing in Glendale. Glendale works for Arizona Cardinals NFL once a week type of thing like the Buffalo Bills in Orchard Park. Anything beyond a NFL football game or weekend concert would definitely fail overtime because Orchard Park isn’t centrally located and isn’t easy to get to 2 or 3 times a week during a MLB, NBA or MLS season. Even UB Bulls in potentially in the Big Ten Conference would fail in Orchard Park see Miami Hurricanes at the Miami Dolphins stadium it isn’t centrally located like the old Orange Bowl in Miami. Bottom line our city and county planning is terrible. I doubt our local leaders got into these discussions as much as this Bills board which is really sad but what can you do it is what it is they were all voted in again overwhelmingly. But to think that new Bills stadium is going to have more events than now is just ridiculous it’s not happening. Buffalo is having a severe problem today driving 25 minutes to the city to see the Buffalo Sabres other than Friday, Saturday and Sunday there not driving 45 minutes to one hour to new events at the new Bills stadium on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. Buffalo Super Fan are you saying Buffalo fans are soft compared to your day? No the problem is why bother when the games are all on HD television or streaming. Back in my day you went to the game in person or you were out of luck it’s the radio there were only like 20 Sabres games on television back in the day in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Bulls! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo