Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Do you recall how far they extend?

 

It's variable, depending on how many players' wives and girlfriends attend the game in thigh bodysuits

[beerme1]

On 1/12/2024 at 7:46 PM, SoCal Deek said:

I’m dying to find out how you expect them to support a glass roof spanning an entire football field. 

 

Like a circus tent. Poles on the field at say the 20 on each side and the 50 should be fine.

 

 

7 hours ago, Virgil said:

Would the new stadium have prevented this game from getting postponed?

 

Uh, no. And neither would a dome.

 

Why the hell are we still talking about a dome here? Jesus says, open air is how football was intended to be played. You will be protected in the new stadium as best you can be thanks to modern engineering. But it will still be an open air stadium. As it should be. Thank You.

 

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

7 hours ago, djp14150 said:

 Thanks…

 

a few small issues I have in the article….

 

1. NFL scheduling factors into things other stadium events planned.  Seattle, Baltimore, Kansas City, Dallas, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh all have neighboring football/ baseball stadiums.  Nashville, indy, others have football stadium near nhl/ nba arena.  These sites share parking.  Houston and other stadiums have regular annual events like stste football chsmpionships or other events/ festivals.

 

2.  Concerts don’t do tours dec-March other than some special planned events. Running stadium tours has staffing. Summer stadium tours will do northern locations may- sept then gradually work doen and do I-10 coordoor site in nov/ December. Some tours might do schedules to hit northern dome stadiums.

 

3. putting a dome on—- the cost vs what you can do.  If you know you could just a SB, a few final 4, host a polival convention or other large events like national soccer matches and world cups.

 

4. as for the hotels— that analysis is garbage.  You have to compare apples to apples.  In the east markets are smaller because there are more tc markets.  For example look at seattle ( I’ve lived there) .  Seattle metr stretches from olympia-Tacoma -Seattle-Everett-Bellingham south to north. It’s narrow because of water bodies and mountains.  An equivalence to buffalo would be to talk about the population from Hamilton thru metro Rochester following 90/Q.  The  population is 4M+with hotel rooms.

As a Buffalonian I have a major problem with Buffalo can’t afford a dome stadium because we are too poor yet lowly Syracuse has had a dome stadium for 40 plus years and New York State helped pay for a private school not even part of SUNY. While both our football teams the Buffalo Bills and UB Bulls have crapy outdoor stadiums from another time with cost cutting and savings. We are the second largest city in this state. Regardless of what some on this board want to believe the money was there and Buffalo chose a half a loaf instead of the whole loaf. We saw it over and over with both Pilot Field and Key Bank Center with half the elevators cut from the final design. And Buffalo paid the price with major delays with the elevators for the disabled which I happen to be a disabled fan. Buffalo Bills fans shouldn’t be silence for telling it like it is. The story was made up about no money for a dome and Orchard Park was the only logical place. Just admit it folks we were all lied too. I am ok with the new Bills stadium but I am not ok with the parroting talking points of the Bills and our political leaders that flat out lied to this community. While New York City has spared no expense for the new Islanders arena, the Nets arena, New York City FC new soccer specific stadium, two ball parks for the Yankees, Mets, the dome over the US Open Tennis Center and the total renovation of Belmont Park where the final length of the Horse Racing triple crown is held just to name a few. Mean while in Buffalo we are cutting cost on a 50 year project of a new Bills stadium and of course UB Stadium still has a track around it only one other FBS stadium in country is left after UB Stadium that has a track around the football field along with a lite brite scoreboard from another time. But all is wonderful, wonderful in Western New York sports land in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[oldmanfan]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

As a Buffalonian I have a major problem with Buffalo can’t afford a dome stadium because we are too poor yet lowly Syracuse has had a dome stadium for 40 plus years and New York State helped pay for a private school not even part of SUNY. While both our football teams the Buffalo Bills and UB Bulls have crapy outdoor stadiums from another time with cost cutting and savings. We are the second largest city in this state. Regardless of what some on this board want to believe the money was there and Buffalo chose a half a loaf instead of the whole loaf. We saw it over and over with both Pilot Field and Key Bank Center with half the elevators cut from the final design. And Buffalo paid the price with major delays with the elevators for the disabled which I happen to be a disabled fan. Buffalo Bills fans shouldn’t be silence for telling it like it is. The story was made up about no money for a dome and Orchard Park was the only logical place. Just admit it folks we were all lied too. I am ok with the new Bills stadium but I am not ok with the parroting talking points of the Bills and our political leaders that flat out lied to this community. While New York City has spared no expense for the new Islanders arena, the Nets arena, New York City FC new soccer specific stadium, two ball parks for the Yankees, Mets, the dome over the US Open Tennis Center and the total renovation of Belmont Park where the final length of the Horse Racing triple crown is held just to name a few. Mean while in Buffalo we are cutting cost on a 50 year project of a new Bills stadium and of course UB Stadium still has a track around it only one other FBS stadium in country is left after UB Stadium that has a track around the football field along with a lite brite scoreboard from another time. But all is wonderful, wonderful in Western New York sports land in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I have a problem with paragraphs.  Apparently others do as well.

 

Glad we are getting a new stadium.  Wish it was downtown but oh well.

[chongli]

 

[JoPoy88]

13 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Definitely not a great look presently

 

Wonder if the pegulas are gonna be pressured into upgrading the new stadium 

which stadium upgrades prevent regional snowstorms?

 

 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

which stadium upgrades prevent regional snowstorms?

 

 

 

Shifting the equator

[JoPoy88]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

As a Buffalonian I have a major problem with Buffalo can’t afford a dome stadium because we are too poor yet lowly Syracuse has had a dome stadium for 40 plus years and New York State helped pay for a private school not even part of SUNY. While both our football teams the Buffalo Bills and UB Bulls have crapy outdoor stadiums from another time with cost cutting and savings. We are the second largest city in this state. Regardless of what some on this board want to believe the money was there and Buffalo chose a half a loaf instead of the whole loaf. We saw it over and over with both Pilot Field and Key Bank Center with half the elevators cut from the final design. And Buffalo paid the price with major delays with the elevators for the disabled which I happen to be a disabled fan. Buffalo Bills fans shouldn’t be silence for telling it like it is. The story was made up about no money for a dome and Orchard Park was the only logical place. Just admit it folks we were all lied too. I am ok with the new Bills stadium but I am not ok with the parroting talking points of the Bills and our political leaders that flat out lied to this community. While New York City has spared no expense for the new Islanders arena, the Nets arena, New York City FC new soccer specific stadium, two ball parks for the Yankees, Mets, the dome over the US Open Tennis Center and the total renovation of Belmont Park where the final length of the Horse Racing triple crown is held just to name a few. Mean while in Buffalo we are cutting cost on a 50 year project of a new Bills stadium and of course UB Stadium still has a track around it only one other FBS stadium in country is left after UB Stadium that has a track around the football field along with a lite brite scoreboard from another time. But all is wonderful, wonderful in Western New York sports land in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo 

What on Earth are you talking about? “Half a loaf?” The public subsidy for New Highmark stadium was $850million. The largest in history, until surpassed by the Titans. Half a loaf. 
 

I know these facts (or any facts) don’t interest you, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist:

 

-New Highmark ($1.7B cost) - $600M in NY state funding (35%)

-New Yankee Stadium ($2.3B) - $115M (5%)

-UBS Islanders Arena ($1.6B) - $68M (5%)

-Barclay’s Center ($1.0B) - $100M (10%)

-Citi Field ($830M) - $96M (12%)

 

NYC made contributions to some of these as well, but the Islanders arena you cite received $0 in City funding. Talk about “sparing no expense”!! 😂

 

 

Edited January 14 by JoPoy88

[SoCal Deek]

I still believe the smarter move would’ve been to build a new, fan centric, modest dome stadium at Amherst where it would have been:

 

1. shared with UB for much higher usage

2. the State already owns the land

3. plenty of parking on weekends 

4. out of the snow belt 

5. loads of tailgating space

6. decent existing highway access with proximity to Canadian fans

7. easily justified State $ contribution 

 

But….it’s just me 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I still believe the smarter move would’ve been to build a new, fan centric, modest dome stadium at Amherst where it would have been:

 

1. shared with UB for much higher usage

2. the State already owns the land

3. plenty of parking on weekends 

4. out of the snow belt 

5. loads of tailgating space

6. decent existing highway access with proximity to Canadian fans

7. easily justified State $ contribution 

 

But….it’s just me 

 

I remember this option being floated around. It really does make a ton of sense. Thought I heard UB didn’t like the idea?

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I still believe the smarter move would’ve been to build a new, fan centric, modest dome stadium at Amherst where it would have been:

 

1. shared with UB for much higher usage

2. the State already owns the land

3. plenty of parking on weekends 

4. out of the snow belt 

5. loads of tailgating space

6. decent existing highway access with proximity to Canadian fans

7. easily justified State $ contribution 

 

8.  Four-minute drive from RiotAct’s house

[K D]

Home field disadvantage?

[Riverboat Ritchie]

Does anyone know if a Bills Hall of Fame or Museum of some sort will be included in stadium?  I hope so. 

[Beast]

21 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The reason why a dome? A dome wouldn’t have an effect canceling the Buffalo Bills game either way. Agreed. But with a dome with field turf you won’t need shovelers and two you can play the game with no fans. Grass field in a Buffalo open air stadium is one of the worst ideas ever for the Buffalo Bills. Look outside tomorrow Bills fans and ask yourself if natural grass is such good idea in Buffalo December and January weather over field turf ridiculous but what do I know? I have only lived in Buffalo my whole life of 56 years and counting. See War Memorial Stadium, UB Stadium completely got rid of there natural grass for field turf there season ends in November and Sahlen’s Field. Sahlen’s Field as the baseball season has started earlier and ending later and later is having issues with grass and canceling home Buffalo Bisons games in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

You ever hear of heaters underneath the playing surface? Well now you have.

 

And ask any player in the league what they’d prefer. Grass or turf.

 

The only thing you got right is they wouldn’t need shovelers with a dome.

[LeGOATski]

10 hours ago, chongli said:

 

I hate how it creates that awkward shadow over the field. I wonder if they ever considered making the overhang clear.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

You ever hear of heaters underneath the playing surface? Well now you have.

 

And ask any player in the league what they’d prefer. Grass or turf.

 

Agreed on grass. I would have preferred a dome, with a grass playing field.

 

For me, desiring a dome has nothing to do with this current situation. As many have pointed out, the game date/time would have been moved even with a dome.

 

My desire for a dome (or more accurately, a retractable roof) is simply comfort and safety. When I was younger, I enjoyed sitting in the elements. I now hate it. It’s not fun to me anymore. And I cringe thinking about Allen or another star player potentially having their season destroyed because they slip on wet turf.

 

If it was a private money stadium, I would shut my mouth and say “their money - their business what they build”.

 

However, it’s financed in large part by citizen tax dollars. Therefore, in my personal opinion, I believe citizens should have had a vote in whether a dome or open-air stadium.

 

And heck, maybe the open-air vote would have won. I have no idea. But at least we would have had a say in the matter. Just my 2 cents.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed on grass. I would have preferred a dome, with a grass playing field.

 

For me, desiring a dome has nothing to do with this current situation. As many have pointed out, the game date/time would have been moved even with a dome.

 

My desire for a dome (or more accurately, a retractable roof) is simply comfort and safety. When I was younger, I enjoyed sitting in the elements. I now hate it. It’s not fun to me anymore. And I cringe thinking about Allen or another star player potentially having their season destroyed because they slip on wet turf.

 

If it was a private money stadium, I would shut my mouth and say “their money - their business what they build”.

 

However, it’s financed in large part by citizen tax dollars. Therefore, in my personal opinion, I believe citizens should have had a vote in whether a dome or open-air stadium.

 

And heck, maybe the open-air vote would have won. I have no idea. But at least we would have had a say in the matter. Just my 2 cents.

We didn't get any choices for the Yankees or Mets stadiums..

 

The Mets Park was built with over 600 million dollars of taxpayer money and they didn't ask us what we want with it

 

We are in a representative Republic.. we elect officials to represent us

 

They do what they think their constituents want... So they get reelected 

Edited January 14 by Buffalo716

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I hate how it creates that awkward shadow over the field. I wonder if they ever considered making the overhang clear.

 

 

I am glad I will be at the games in person.   The shadow on the field is bad TV.    Having been subjected to Cowboys afternoon games like all of us growing up in the 70's and 80's,  having to watch them play in the shadows of their old stadium was ugly viewing.

[Einstein]

28 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Does anyone know if a Bills Hall of Fame or Museum of some sort will be included in stadium?  I hope so. 

 

I haven’t heard them say anything to this effect and I wouldn’t count on it. This whole project feels “bare bones” to me. Of all the NFL stadiums built in the past 10 years or so, the rendering for our new house feel the most bland/not special. It doesn’t have the unique shape structure and views of the Vikings new digs. And it doesn’t have the massiveness of Jerry World. And it doesn’t have the mall/iconic circular opening of the Falcons new stadium. It doesn’t have the insaneness of the Rams/Chargers stadium. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There is something unique and interesting and cool about each of the other stadiums. Nothing they have released so far gives me any hope of their being anything unique or iconic about our home. It’s just a boring, generic stadium that honestly looks like it could have been built in the 90’s.

 

It’s not something i’ll lose sleep over or anything, but I would be lying if I said it’s not kind of a bummer.

 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I am glad I will be at the games in person.   The shadow on the field is bad TV.    Having been subjected to Cowboys afternoon games like all of us growing up in the 70's and 80's,  having to watch them play in the shadows of their old stadium was ugly viewing.

Is it distracting to players, too? I assume not, but I'm imagining a receiver tracking a deep ball in the sun when it suddenly hits the shadow.