Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I've taken in views from a lot of different vantages at the stadium, but I've never taken an upper decker.

Ever have a double baked brownie? 

[Shortchaz]

*I don’t know if this is helpful*
 

I FEEL like, in the current stadium the field is below the parking lot/ground. 

[haroldwaide]

It is.  In fact, the 200 level seats are roughly ground level.  The entire lower bowl is underground.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

*I don’t know if this is helpful*
 

I FEEL like, in the current stadium the field is below the parking lot/ground. 

 

1 hour ago, haroldwaide said:

It is.  In fact, the 200 level seats are roughly ground level.  The entire lower bowl is underground.

200s are a bit above ground level. They are higher than ground level and that’s with the upwards slant of the Outter concourse from the gates to the actual 200 level. 
 

yes, all of the 100s is underground. Never disputed that. What I’m saying and have been trying to say is that the new stadium will be dug into the ground a bit as well. Not as much as the current stadium. But it will be. The massive hole in the ground across the street confirms that. And they are still digging. 
 

what I’ve been saying is that it’s going to be taller regardless. And the upper decks will be for sure farther away from the field than the current 300s. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Fwiw I never said they wouldn’t be sold out. I said the seats would make you feel nauseous and be farther away from the field if anything like what I’ve experienced. 
 

but hey, I’ve been 14 rows from the field in the current stadium for years now. So it’s obvious I’m biased against the upper decks. 

 

I saw some video clip from a guy at a new stadium (I think it was SoFi) that gave me a touch of vertigo sitting in my recliner watching on my iPad. I’m not saying it will or won’t be like that, but it is my biggest concern. I’ve been in places like that, and it is no treat! 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I think domes are sterile.

 

That's the point.   If the weather is beautiful........people just relax and enjoy it.........if the weather is terrible they endure it.    Either way, there is a focus on the elements.  When they are indoors their mind moves on to what's next.   And the potential is there to exceed ticket revenue with food, merchandise and more importantly with live gaming.    Building an NFL stadium without a roof is like building a casino outdoors.   And unless the rest of the league decides to share all those on-site revenues it will put your team at a disadvantage not having as much as you could.

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I saw some video clip from a guy at a new stadium (I think it was SoFi) that gave me a touch of vertigo sitting in my recliner watching on my iPad. I’m not saying it will or won’t be like that, but it is my biggest concern. I’ve been in places like that, and it is no treat! 

This is 100% what I’m talking about. You can’t be more on top of the action (more verticle) and not be farther from the field. It’s pretty simple. 
 

will it be as tall and bad as So-Fi from what I’ve seen or read, or The SuperDome from what I’ve experienced? Idk. We will find out 

[Shortchaz]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

This is 100% what I’m talking about. You can’t be more on top of the action (more verticle) and not be farther from the field. It’s pretty simple. 

You can be higher and closer, you just shorten the width. A can be increased and b be decreased to create a shorter c. 

[Just Jack]

18 hours ago, mrags said:

I never said there would be terrible views. I said the upper decks are going to make you feel like you’re in the clouds. And you are going to be a significant distance away from the field. I was recently in New Orleans stadium and had constant nausea being in the upper decks. The fear of missing one step and tumbling a mile down was definitely there. And the fear when standing up that you may get bumped forward and fall until you reach the field was there. I’m not saying the new stadium definitely will feel that way, but imo I feel it will be similar in the upper decks. We’ll see I guess. 

I was in the old RCA Dome at Indy, and the Linc at Philly.  Both stadiums I had the same feeling in the upper deck, that one missed step and you’re tumbling down to the bottom of the section.  

Edited August 13, 2023 by Just Jack

[WotAGuy]

15 minutes ago, mrags said:

This is 100% what I’m talking about. You can’t be more on top of the action (more verticle) and not be farther from the field. It’s pretty simple. 
 

will it be as tall and bad as So-Fi from what I’ve seen or read, or The SuperDome from what I’ve experienced? Idk. We will find out 

The Superdome has a capacity of 83,000, and being a dome necessarily has a different layout than an open air stadium.  My daughter said the same thing you did - the uppermost deck was frightening. 
 

Sofi is 70,000 capacity.  So, the Bills stadium being 63,000-ish should make it more compact, I would guess. 
 

If there’s been a lack of design drawings, I just don’t see how people can make these sweeping generalizations about the new stadium. And for the plans that are out there (like the one embedded upthread), I wonder how they have been projected visually to show the seating and maybe distorting the visual because it’s difficult to project a stacked design in a 2-D drawing, if you know what I mean. 
 

Besides, once it is built, there will be even more complaints - because you can’t please all the people all the time. 

[Shortchaz]

1 minute ago, Just Jack said:

I was in the old RCA Dome at Indy, and the Linc at Philly.  Both stadiums I had the same feeling in the upper deck, that one mid step and you’re tumbling down to the bottom of the section.  

This reminds me of a time 20+ years ago when I drunkenly did just that. 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

And sterile.  We all get to have opinions Einstein.  The one in Indy where I live is really sterile even though there’s windows on one end.

 

I agree Indy is sterile. But you feel that Minnesota’s stadium (photo below) is sterile?

 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree Indy is sterile. But you feel that Minnesota’s stadium (photo below) is sterile?

 

I have never been there.  The domes I have been to including Indy and Detroit are sterile.  I like outdoors and weather , and if you don’t fine.

Edited August 13, 2023 by oldmanfan

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree Indy is sterile. But you feel that Minnesota’s stadium (photo below) is sterile?

 

 

If I were to pick a single stadium to go visit (strictly for the stadium, not team, city, etc.) this would be the one. I don’t know if it’s as cool in person as it looks, but I’d like to find out. 

 

Having said that, I’m not going to have any angst over a problem that does not yet, and may never, exist. No need to make up things to worry about, especially when I have zero control over it. 

 

I’ve said all along, as long as the Bills remain in WNY, I’m fine with the stadium location and design that allows that to happen. If it means I have to be picky about where I sit when I visit, then I’ll just choose my seats more carefully. 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You can believe that if you'd like but this will be the last NFL stadium ever built without a lid unless San Diego gets a team back.  

 

 People spend a lot more money indoors and that's all that matters in pro sports.

I bet it's not the only one without a lid 

[junior]

Does anyone know if any of the private lots are open/accessible this season? ECC, Twin Oaks, La Galleria, etc. I'm not sure how far the construction site extends and I didn't make it out to the preseason game to check. 

[billsfanmiamioh]

16 minutes ago, junior said:

Does anyone know if any of the private lots are open/accessible this season? ECC, Twin Oaks, La Galleria, etc. I'm not sure how far the construction site extends and I didn't make it out to the preseason game to check. 

They’re all open. We park at ECC and I’ve parked at twin oaks and La galleria in the past. Parked at ECC yesterday and the “main” / lively lot that is to the left when you pull in is closed for construction vehicles. The “overflow” lot that sits up higher is the only lot on that side that will be open this year. I imagine it will fill very fast each week. The road you used to walk down to get to the stadium is closed so you have to make your way over towards Southwestern and walk the sidewalk till you hit the entrance for lot 4. There is a way you can cut along the construction fence towards twin oaks and shave a few steps but yesterday it was impassable on the way in because the rain had created a mini river. After the game I saw people crossing that spot with apparently not much trouble. 
 

 

I think in the season what will happen is that we’ll end up on the other side of ECC that is typical more tame and will have to walk out to the sidewalk on southwestern and take that route. Otherwise you’re going to be “off roading” through mud, uneven ground, etc. 

[Lost]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree Indy is sterile. But you feel that Minnesota’s stadium (photo below) is sterile?

 

 

One of the best stadiums currently, but I really dislike how most modern stadiums lop off a section of their potential seating just so show the skyline of the city.   Honestly if I'm in a stadium watching football, I don't need or want to see the city outside.  Kills the immersion. 

 

 Like who thought this would be a good idea 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Lost

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

I’m not going to have any angst over a problem that does not yet, and may never, exist. No need to make up things to worry about, especially when I have zero control over it. 

 

I’ve said all along, as long as the Bills remain in WNY, I’m fine with the stadium location and design that allows that to happen. If it means I have to be picky about where I sit when I visit, then I’ll just choose my seats more carefully. 

 

And that’s the correct viewpoint to have considering that you are not paying for it. But for those of us who are paying for it, I believe we have the right to be critical of the fact that our dollars are not, in our opinion, being efficiently spent.

[Augie]

50 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

And that’s the correct viewpoint to have considering that you are not paying for it. But for those of us who are paying for it, I believe we have the right to be critical of the fact that our dollars are not, in our opinion, being efficiently spent.

 

I am paying for it in ticket prices only, not property tax or PSL….but it gets passed along to some degree.  What extra does it cost the average guy with an $300k house in property tax, anyway? I saw a number somewhere, but don’t know how accurate that was. 

 

Everyone can feel free to be as critical as they want. Just know that it won’t change anything. Feel free to waste your emotional energy if you think that is best for you.

 

People complain that the stadium will be too expensive, and people complain that they didn’t go the extra yard and put a roof on it or move it downtown. Decisions needed to be made, and this seems like an acceptable middle ground to me.