Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[SoCal Deek]

  On 8/11/2023 at 9:55 PM, mrags said:

I don’t think that’s the point. Of course Buffalo is no match for NYC and it’s 8.5M people and all its tourists every year. The point is more like Buffalo is very close to on par with Minneapolis and Detroit. I haven’t been to either but I’ve seen pictures, watched shows, read about them and they really seem to be similar in many ways. Including winter weather. So the point is, if those cities can host Super Bowls, why not Buffalo. Other than the obvious that our current stadium and lack of a dome doesn’t permit it. 

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Minneapolis is not like Buffalo....other than it's cold in the winter. The Twin Cities region is HUGE and booming. The two downtown areas are not even close in terms of size.

[nucci]

  On 8/11/2023 at 10:22 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Minneapolis is not like Buffalo....other than it's cold in the winter. The Twin Cities region is HUGE and booming. The two downtown areas are not even close in terms of size.

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I went to Redskins SB in Minneapolis. Buffalo is no where close to it in terms of anything but weather

[JoPoy88]

  On 8/11/2023 at 9:20 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Not trying to be snarky but the company building the new stadium is one of the largest construction firms in the world. I’m going to guess that they’re aware that it snows in Buffalo. 😉

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Absolutely I agree and no snark intended by me either.

[mrags]

  On 8/11/2023 at 10:22 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Minneapolis is not like Buffalo....other than it's cold in the winter. The Twin Cities region is HUGE and booming. The two downtown areas are not even close in terms of size.

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Like I said. I’ve never been there. So I can’t speak from experience. Apparently you can. All I’m going by is what I’ve seen on tv and read about. According to wiki the population of Minneapolis is just over 418k which is actually down from 430k in 2020. 
 

I’ll just shut up as I have no basis of an argument. 

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:00 AM, mrags said:

Like I said. I’ve never been there. So I can’t speak from experience. Apparently you can. All I’m going by is what I’ve seen on tv and read about. According to wiki the population of Minneapolis is just over 418k which is actually down from 430k in 2020. 
 

I’ll just shut up as I have no basis of an argument. 

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The metro area is 3.69 million.  They can support all 4 major sports teams.

[mrags]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:03 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

The metro area is 3.69 million.  They can support all 4 major sports teams.

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Yes I know it’s still a lot more. But many people will point to metro areas but then decline to add buffalos metro areas as well. It’s 1.3ish. Yes I know you are not insinuating that. And I’m not pretending to know for sure. Because again, I haven’t been there. 

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:11 AM, mrags said:

Yes I know it’s still a lot more. But many people will point to metro areas but then decline to add buffalos metro areas as well. It’s 1.3ish. Yes I know you are not insinuating that. And I’m not pretending to know for sure. Because again, I haven’t been there. 

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There was talks years ago about Buffalo getting a baseball team.  Do you think they could support one?  I haven’t heard any recent talks.  

[Buffalo716]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:20 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

There was talks years ago about Buffalo getting a baseball team.  Do you think they could support one?  I haven’t heard any recent talks.  

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No we can't 

 

Buffalo is perfect for AAA ball .. I can take my elderly father or young cousins and nephews... Lots of theme nights and affordable

 

Sahlens field was made to be upgraded to a MLB park when they built it but I believe the marlins got the team

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[JoPoy88]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:24 AM, Buffalo716 said:

No we can't 

 

Buffalo is perfect for AAA ball .. I can take my elderly father or young cousins and nephews... Lots of theme nights and affordable

 

Sahlens field was made to be upgraded to a MLB park when they built it but I believe the marlins got the team

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Quick and dirty research says that the smallest MLB market is Milwaukee at around 1.55M in the metro area. Buffalo currently sits around 1.2M. So it’s kinda close but I tend to agree with you I don’t think MLB would currently work here, especially when it’s not a market that MLB is coming back to.

[oldmanfan]

  On 8/11/2023 at 9:55 PM, mrags said:

I don’t think that’s the point. Of course Buffalo is no match for NYC and it’s 8.5M people and all its tourists every year. The point is more like Buffalo is very close to on par with Minneapolis and Detroit. I haven’t been to either but I’ve seen pictures, watched shows, read about them and they really seem to be similar in many ways. Including winter weather. So the point is, if those cities can host Super Bowls, why not Buffalo. Other than the obvious that our current stadium and lack of a dome doesn’t permit it. 

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Hotels

[JoPoy88]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:43 AM, oldmanfan said:

Hotels

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exactly. You could build a $5billion dollar indoor palace up here and you still wouldn’t have the infrastructure or accommodations to support a Super Bowl or anything close to it. A big ol’ fancy stadium alone isn’t going to entice that type of development on its own either.

 

That’s why I laugh at this arguments being made for the domed stadium that say: “well an open air joint is only good for one thing and that’s football 12 times a year”

 

Guess what? An enclosed stadium here wouldn’t draw much more. 
 

 

[mrags]

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:43 AM, oldmanfan said:

Hotels

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I understand this. From what I can find, Minneapolis has approx 10k hotel rooms. And that is a solid site I found. Buffalo, however I cannot find an updated link. I found an article from 2019 that said roughly 2,500 hotel rooms. And that is likely pretty accurate but I’d bet it’s at least 3k if not closer to 4k or even more now as that link was 4 years old. Either way, I’m not arguing that point. And I’m not sure what the minimum number of hotel rooms is for the NFLs Super Bowl must haves list. But I’ll say this, and what I’ve argued so much in the past. Building the stadium where they are now does nothing for the area. Does nothing for the rejuvenation of the city or surrounding areas. There’s already a stadium in its place and it doesn’t provide anything. A new stadium downtown likely would have brought at least a few new hotels to the area. Add in another 1-2k rooms I’d imagine. Multiple jobs, restaurants, bars, shopping, etc. whatever, I’ve argued this point to no avail in the past. I’m not going to go crazy about it. Was just some observations 

  On 8/12/2023 at 2:20 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

There was talks years ago about Buffalo getting a baseball team.  Do you think they could support one?  I haven’t heard any recent talks.  

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Yeah there’s pretty much zero chance of us getting a baseball team. Couldn’t support it and personally in this area I think it would be stupid. Nothing worse than watching baseball games with snow at the end of the seasons. 

[Einstein]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:01 AM, mrags said:

I understand this. From what I can find, Minneapolis has approx 10k hotel rooms. And that is a solid site I found. Buffalo, however I cannot find an updated link. I found an article from 2019 that said roughly 2,500 hotel rooms. And that is likely pretty accurate but I’d bet it’s at least 3k if not closer to 4k or even more now as that link was 4 years old. Either way, I’m not arguing that point. And I’m not sure what the minimum number of hotel rooms is for the NFLs Super Bowl must haves list. But I’ll say this, and what I’ve argued so much in the past. Building the stadium where they are now does nothing for the area. Does nothing for the rejuvenation of the city or surrounding areas. There’s already a stadium in its place and it doesn’t provide anything. A new stadium downtown likely would have brought at least a few new hotels to the area. Add in another 1-2k rooms I’d imagine. Multiple jobs, restaurants, bars, shopping, etc. whatever, I’ve argued this point to no avail in the past. I’m not going to go crazy about it. Was just some observations 

Yeah there’s pretty much zero chance of us getting a baseball team. Couldn’t support it and personally in this area I think it would be stupid. Nothing worse than watching baseball games with snow at the end of the seasons. 

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A better comparison may be Jacksonville.

 

They hosted a Super Bowl and is very comparable to Buffalo in size.

 

Jacksonville even had to bring in cruise ships to add more hotel rooms.

[mrags]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:20 AM, Einstein said:

 

A better comparison may be Jacksonville.

 

They hosted a Super Bowl and is very comparable to Buffalo in size.

 

Jacksonville even had to bring in cruise ships to add more hotel rooms.

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Oooooo. Cruise ships in Lake Erie. Great idea 

[Einstein]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:21 AM, mrags said:

Oooooo. Cruise ships in Lake Erie. Great idea 

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The NFL found a way to make it work for Jacksonville. They could find a way to make it work for Buffalo too - if they wanted to. Will they? No. Especially not without a downtown stadium.

[mrags]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:22 AM, Einstein said:

 

The NFL found a way to make it work for Jacksonville. They could find a way to make it work for Buffalo too - if they wanted to. Will they? No. Especially not without a downtown stadium.

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Well of course they won’t make it work. But yes, they could if they wanted. 

[oldmanfan]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:30 AM, mrags said:

Well of course they won’t make it work. But yes, they could if they wanted. 

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I looked up the requirements.  The NFL states you have to have hotel space equivalent to 35% of the stadium occupancy plus additional hotel space for the teams, league officials, dignitaries, and such. And I think they want them within an hour of the stadium.   So you have I believe 65k seats planned for the new stadium so that’s 22750 seats.  Add in teams, dignitaries, and such round it off to 30k.  I don’t think we have that.  Maybe if you throw in Motel 6’s and such.

 

I would have preferred a downtown venue but that would have required a lot of funding for relocation and razing of space which may have affected the deal.

[Lost]

  On 8/12/2023 at 3:22 AM, Einstein said:

 

The NFL found a way to make it work for Jacksonville. They could find a way to make it work for Buffalo too - if they wanted to. Will they? No. Especially not without a downtown stadium.

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  On 8/12/2023 at 7:34 AM, oldmanfan said:

I looked up the requirements.  The NFL states you have to have hotel space equivalent to 35% of the stadium occupancy plus additional hotel space for the teams, league officials, dignitaries, and such. And I think they want them within an hour of the stadium.   So you have I believe 65k seats planned for the new stadium so that’s 22750 seats.  Add in teams, dignitaries, and such round it off to 30k.  I don’t think we have that.  Maybe if you throw in Motel 6’s and such.

 

I would have preferred a downtown venue but that would have required a lot of funding for relocation and razing of space which may have affected the deal.

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The NFL would never vote on a SB venue at an open air stadium in cold weather climate in a small market area, downtown or not.  

 

[oldmanfan]

  On 8/12/2023 at 9:59 AM, Lost said:

 

 

 

The NFL would never vote on a SB venue at an open air stadium in cold weather climate in a small market area, downtown or not.  

 

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The only one I can remember is New Jersey.

[eball]

Who in bloody hell is wanting to host a Super Bowl in Buffalo?

 

Super Bowl locales should be vacation destinations in early February.  I think it’s dumb that they’ve held them in Minneapolis or Indianapolis.

 

Back on point — the Bills clearly did not try to scrimp or save in the research and design of their new home.  It’s going to be fantastic.