Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Lack of brick-and-mortar retail interest isn't isolated to the McKinley Mall area, it's been happening everywhere in the country. Football stadiums don't bring large economic gains - they bring parking lots.

Yeah I’m not about to start arguing this with people again. It was an absolutely stupid decision to do what they did. And like it or not, the “patriot place” plan is going to happen near the stadium. They can and will argue about it all they want in the town halls, but it’s going to happen. You can bet on that. 

[QCity]

33 minutes ago, mrags said:

And like it or not, the “patriot place” plan is going to happen near the stadium. They can and will argue about it all they want in the town halls, but it’s going to happen. 

 

Patriot Place is not going to happen. That's over 50 stores/restaurants that takes up 1.3 million sq/ft lol 

 

Even if they razed ECC South they wouldn't have the room. It hasn't happened there in over 50 years because there just isn't the demand (you even mentioned the lack of demand i.e. McKinley Mall shuttering 2 posts ago). Simply moving the stadium across the street isn't going to create that demand, either.

 

Here's a realistic scenario: One or two new restaurants or bars (probably a brewery since everyone is doing that), some type of sporting goods store, and a new 2 story hotel of the 3-star variety. 

Edited September 21 by QCity

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Patriot Place is not going to happen. That's over 50 stores/restaurants that takes up 1.3 million sq/ft lol 

 

Even if they razed ECC South they wouldn't have the room. It hasn't happened there in over 50 years because there just isn't the demand (you even mentioned the lack of demand i.e. McKinley Mall shuttering 2 posts ago). Simply moving the stadium across the street isn't going to create that demand, either.

 

Here's a realistic scenario: One or two new restaurants or bars (probably a brewery since everyone is doing that), some type of sporting goods store, and a new 2 story hotel of the 3-star variety. 

Enough is going to happen that makes the resident upset about it. My argument was if they built the damn thing downtown they wouldn’t have to worry about upsetting residents. 
 

I’ve never been to patriot place. And o don’t doubt what you say about it is true. But there definitely is some things coming to OP. And it’s going to be absolutely useless and pointless about 255 days a year. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

13 minutes ago, mrags said:

Enough is going to happen that makes the resident upset about it. My argument was if they built the damn thing downtown they wouldn’t have to worry about upsetting residents. 
 

I’ve never been to patriot place. And o don’t doubt what you say about it is true. But there definitely is some things coming to OP. And it’s going to be absolutely useless and pointless about 255 days a year. 

Maybe they will open a new Dollar General

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Maybe they will open a new Dollar General

It’s already sprouted nearby. Right near the Bert’s Bikes. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[WotAGuy]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

But for us, a couple of bars, a 7-11 and a Tim Horton's is all we get for "development."

We?  Just because you come into town a few weekends a year gives you more right than people who live there and like it a certain way?  
 

Does the fact that no development has happened in that same area since 1973 not give you a clue as to what the residents desire for their neighborhood?

 

 

Edited September 21 by WotAGuy

[Just Jack]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

And they would have maximized making their money back with commercial properties nearby. Instead they built it in the middle of nowhere that has nothing nearby. Where places like the McKinley Mall nearby are closing its doors because of the lack of retail interest. Yeah. Bang up decision. 

 

McKinley would be the place to build up, it's close enough to the stadium.  It would be nice to have a hotel right next to the stadium, so you can just walk over.  When I'm looking at away game sites, I check to see where I can stay so I don't need to deal with driving and getting parking.  Indy has a Holiday Inn brand right across a parking lot I was considering if we were to go to there.  

 

As for the bolded part of your statement, here in Syracuse, our one mall, yes, just one after having 3 or more, is in danger of being foreclosed on because they can't make their loan payment.  Lots of empty spaces in there for rent.  

Destiny USA threatened with ‘enforcement action’ for missing loan deadline, rating agency reports | WSYR (localsyr.com)

[mrags]

2 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

McKinley would be the place to build up, it's close enough to the stadium.  It would be nice to have a hotel right next to the stadium, so you can just walk over.  When I'm looking at away game sites, I check to see where I can stay so I don't need to deal with driving and getting parking.  Indy has a Holiday Inn brand right across a parking lot I was considering if we were to go to there.  

 

As for the bolded part of your statement, here in Syracuse, our one mall, yes, just one after having 3 or more, is in danger of being foreclosed on because they can't make their loan payment.  Lots of empty spaces in there for rent.  

Destiny USA threatened with ‘enforcement action’ for missing loan deadline, rating agency reports | WSYR (localsyr.com)

I don’t follow too closely but I think McKinley has already been approved for a “city center” like they are planning for the Boulevard Mall, and the Eastern Hills mall areas. I 100% expect there to be a new hotel on that site. But I also believe something will be in place closer to the stadium with some shops, bars, restaurants. It’s pointless to not capitalize on the opportunity of the new stadium there. The Bills and town don’t make money from drunken idiots chugging Natty Ices behind their cars, they will want something more out of it. 

[LabattBlue]

For all people wishing for a hotel by the stadium, ask yourself ,why would anyone want to build one there?  For the 10-15 events per year, the hotel will be filled with drunken idiots causing damage to the rooms, and causing enough of a ruckus to push away the non-troublesome customers. 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I don’t follow too closely but I think McKinley has already been approved for a “city center” like they are planning for the Boulevard Mall, and the Eastern Hills mall areas. I 100% expect there to be a new hotel on that site. But I also believe something will be in place closer to the stadium with some shops, bars, restaurants. It’s pointless to not capitalize on the opportunity of the new stadium there. The Bills and town don’t make money from drunken idiots chugging Natty Ices behind their cars, they will want something more out of it. 

 

If there was money to be made, those things would already be there. A new stadium isn’t going to change the local economy much of at all when it comes to supporting businesses the other 355 days a year when there is no game. 

[mrags]

18 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

For all people wishing for a hotel by the stadium, ask yourself ,why would anyone want to build one there?  For the 10-15 events per year, the hotel will be filled with drunken idiots causing damage to the rooms, and causing enough of a ruckus to push away the non-troublesome customers. 

Because it’s right at an exit of an interstate like many other hotels are across the entirety of the United States? 

17 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

 

If there was money to be made, those things would already be there. A new stadium isn’t going to change the local economy much of at all when it comes to supporting businesses the other 355 days a year when there is no game. 

Ok

[LabattBlue]

13 minutes ago, mrags said:

Because it’s right at an exit of an interstate like many other hotels are across the entirety of the United States? 

I will wait for the town/village of OP to loosen the building codes, and then watch for the developers to trip over each other to build new hotel(s). 😂

[PromoTheRobot]

Buffalo: think small, be small.

7 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

We?  Just because you come into town a few weekends a year gives you more right than people who live there and like it a certain way?  
 

Does the fact that no development has happened in that same area since 1973 not give you a clue as to what the residents desire for their neighborhood?

 

 

 

Then the stadium should have built downtown instead of doubling down on a mistake made in 1973.

[mrags]

6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I will wait for the town/village of OP to loosen the building codes, and then watch for the developers to trip over each other to build new hotel(s). 😂

Easy. I never said it was going to be a metropolis. I simply said there would be more retail, bars, restaurants, and at least 1 hotel. 

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Buffalo: think small, be small.

 

Then the stadium should have built downtown instead of doubling down on a mistake made in 1973.

💯 

[Augie]

53 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

 

If there was money to be made, those things would already be there. A new stadium isn’t going to change the local economy much of at all when it comes to supporting businesses the other 355 days a year when there is no game. 

 

If they were building a brand new stadium where there had never been a stadium before, it’s a more difficult question. You might think the stadium would be the catalyst. The fact is, nothing has popped up near the existing stadium since 1973, so I doubt that will change much. 

 

My first choice was a downtown stadium because I love visiting other cities for games and being able to stroll to everything. I’m not complaining though, because staying in WNY was my #1 priority. You can’t always have it all. 

[WotAGuy]

29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Buffalo: think small, be small.

 

Then the stadium should have built downtown instead of doubling down on a mistake made in 1973.

So you can have a closer hotel and bar/restaurant when you come in a few times a year?  LOL

[Buffalo716]

34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Buffalo: think small, be small.

 

Then the stadium should have built downtown instead of doubling down on a mistake made in 1973.

PTR it's a football stadium. . .  

 

It's literally built to watch football in 10 days a year... 

 

Boston  is literally an hour away from foxboro.. 

 

Orchard Park is 20 minutes away from Buffalo... There are hundreds of shops and restaurants and places to go within 20 minutes of orchard Park 

 

Buffalo does not want to be like everybody else and that does not make buffalo less than anything dude 

 

Western New York is full of small towns that like to keep it small town feel.. that's part of the charm of the Buffalo Bills is that it's in a small town that could turn into a small City 10 days a year 

 

Orchard Park is so conservative it voted no to marijuana shops.. when there are a hundred in cheektowaga 

 

Orchard Park does not want to commercialize

Edited September 21 by Buffalo716

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

So you can have a closer hotel and bar/restaurant when you come in a few times a year?  LOL

 

Uh, yeah. God forbid people have a nice experience at a Bills game. 

[WotAGuy]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If they were building a brand new stadium where there had never been a stadium before, it’s a more difficult question. You might think the stadium would be the catalyst. The fact is, nothing has popped up near the existing stadium since 1973, so I doubt that will change much. 

 

My first choice was a downtown stadium because I love visiting other cities for games and being able to stroll to everything. I’m not complaining though, because staying in WNY was my #1 priority. You can’t always have it all. 

The fact is the only reason Buffalo got a new stadium at all is the income tax from the players and the sales tax from the games made it a reasonable expenditure.  They didn’t have to buy up a lot of downtown/waterfront real estate, and greatly modify the infrastructure that would have been a lot more costly downtown. If downtown Buffalo was already a hub for entertainment activity, putting the stadium there would have made more sense. 
 

I wonder how often all the people clamoring for a downtown stadium actually go down there now. I bet it’s a very small number. Ten single day events a year is just not worth the cost of putting it there. If there was an economic incentive to do it, you better believe it would be there.