Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Just Jack]

Working by the 49er's stadium this week, and saw they have a museum.  I know people have mentioned the Bills should put one up also.  The 49ers though only open theirs for a couple days around game days, it's not open every week.  

 

Visit the Museum - Levi's® Stadium

[Ga boy]

On 11/4/2024 at 12:49 AM, That's No Moon said:

Football fields are generally oriented in a general North/South configuration because of the sun.  They couldn't do that with the current stadium because of the graveyard on the property that the family wouldn't allow to be moved.  This is partially why Bills games look different on TV than any other stadium. The sun angle is different from what is typical.  Go ahead, Google Map it around.  Google Maps defaults to the top of the screen being North using the Mercator Projection. Coincidentally, one of the only stadiums to have a similar configuration to Highmark Stadium is Hard Rock Stadium.

 

The new stadium is a little more Northwest to Southeast than strictly North/South and looking at a map that would seem to be at a roughly 90 degree angle to prevailing wind.

 

SO the answer to your question is a little bit of wins and sun both.

So both sides and NW end zone seats will get angled sun rays with sun lower in the sky for 1 pm games.  Am I right?

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

Working by the 49er's stadium this week, and saw they have a museum.  I know people have mentioned the Bills should put one up also.  The 49ers though only open theirs for a couple days around game days, it's not open every week.  

 

Visit the Museum - Levi's® Stadium

 

I think Museum Friday thru Sunday is practical; other days when there are events going on also.

[That's No Moon]

9 hours ago, Ga boy said:

So both sides and NW end zone seats will get angled sun rays with sun lower in the sky for 1 pm games.  Am I right?

I would say the North EZ will be sunnier than the south in general. The East sideline will have more sun than the West. The NE corner will probably have the most sun overall. The sun doesn't really go East to West across the sky all year, close to the winter solstice it's more southeast to southwest in an arc. Since the silly season is so long now the angle will start to creep further up in the sky as we get into February.

 

I'm just a guy. YMMV.

 

If you're looking at tickets I assume they have a model in the store front thingie. Use the flashlight on your phone and run it over the model from East to West. Lower the angle as you do it a couple times to see how it will change in December.

 

There are 3d sunpath simulators out there where you can plug in specific dates and times and it will show you the sun's path on that day and simulate shadows for various height buildings.

 

You can also look at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The design is basically the same. The building orientation is very close also. Watch an EPL match at that stadium and you'll see how the sun hits it. It will be very similar.

Edited November 7 by That's No Moon

[Ga boy]

17 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I would say the North EZ will be sunnier than the south in general. The East sideline will have more sun than the West. The NE corner will probably have the most sun overall. The sun doesn't really go East to West across the sky all year, close to the winter solstice it's more southeast to southwest in an arc. Since the silly season is so long now the angle will start to creep further up in the sky as we get into February.

 

I'm just a guy. YMMV.

 

If you're looking at tickets I assume they have a model in the store front thingie. Bring a flashlight with you and run it over the model from East to West. Lower the angle as you do it a couple times to see how it will change in December.

Good points.  I would think that the new position is a better distribution of sun rays.

[That's No Moon]

@Ga boyFYI, Spurs play at home this Sunday at 9am Eastern. The game is on USA.

 

London is 5 hours ahead so that would be the equivalent of a 2pm start. Obviously London is significantly further North than Buffalo so that plays into the sun angle also, but you'll get an idea of what the sun will do in general. London is roughly the same latitude as Saskatoon and is almost 10 degrees further north than Buffalo is. For scale, Buffalo is 10 degrees north of places like Dallas and San Diego. 

Edited November 8 by That's No Moon

[SoCal Deek]

The most recent photos I’ve seen on the internet show that the Steel Contractor is really hauling butt out there on the canopy! And the Decking Contractor is following right behind him, just as he should be. You can NOW see the extent of the long awaited overhang. (I wish I could say the same for the precast Contractor, who still seems to be lagging behind.) 

[LabattBlue]

Not a construction question, but related to the new stadium.  Do the Highmark naming rights extend to the new stadium or will it go back out to bid?

[Buffalo716]

I have a friend whos company is in charge of the plumbing at the new stadium 

 

He's been there Non-Stop and he's showing me a bunch of pictures he's taken 

 

What a crazy crazy process... It's amazing what humans can build

10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Not a construction question, but related to the new stadium.  Do the Highmark naming rights extend to the new stadium or will it go back out to bid?

Yeah they have a 10-year contract for the naming rights if I recall 

Edited November 15 by Buffalo716

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Not a construction question, but related to the new stadium.  Do the Highmark naming rights extend to the new stadium or will it go back out to bid?

 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/buffalo-bills-highmark-stadium-naming-rights-deal-2/

 

Contract:

• The new venue will initially be referred to as ‘New Highmark Stadium’
• Once construction is finished in 2026, it will be named ‘Highmark Stadium’

Context:

• Highmark has owned the naming rights for the Bills’ current home since March 2021. According to Buffalo Business First, Highmark paid US$5.45 million to team owners Pegula Sports and Entertainment, which included money for the naming rights. Sports Business Journal (SBJ), which reported that the Bills were looking for US$6 million per year back in 2021, now states that the new deal is worth more value than the current arrangement.

[stevewin]

On 11/7/2024 at 7:51 AM, That's No Moon said:

I would say the North EZ will be sunnier than the south in general. The East sideline will have more sun than the West. The NE corner will probably have the most sun overall. The sun doesn't really go East to West across the sky all year, close to the winter solstice it's more southeast to southwest in an arc. Since the silly season is so long now the angle will start to creep further up in the sky as we get into February.

 

I'm just a guy. YMMV.

 

If you're looking at tickets I assume they have a model in the store front thingie. Use the flashlight on your phone and run it over the model from East to West. Lower the angle as you do it a couple times to see how it will change in December.

 

There are 3d sunpath simulators out there where you can plug in specific dates and times and it will show you the sun's path on that day and simulate shadows for various height buildings.

 

You can also look at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The design is basically the same. The building orientation is very close also. Watch an EPL match at that stadium and you'll see how the sun hits it. It will be very similar.

As a Moon guy you know a lot about the sun 😛

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Money laundering? Are the canopies made of gold? The cost of this stadium is ridiculous. I wonder how it went up 50%?

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Money laundering? Are the canopies made of gold? The cost of this stadium is ridiculous. I wonder how it went up 50%?

 

 

One of the reasons is price of concrete since the original estimate has skyrocketed. 

 

Also, its not something that effects us really. The Pegula's do not wish to cut corners on this at all with anything and are picking up the extra costs.

https://apnews.com/article/bills-stadium-cost-pegula-8c56fad9d970f2b17429d3ae779f70ba

 

If you look at the other most recent sports stadiums built... They all way over exceeded the original costs.  this does not shock me at all. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

One of the reasons is price of concrete since the original estimate has skyrocketed. 

 

Also, its not something that effects us really. The Pegula's do not wish to cut corners on this at all with anything and are picking up the extra costs.

https://apnews.com/article/bills-stadium-cost-pegula-8c56fad9d970f2b17429d3ae779f70ba

 

If you look at the other most recent sports stadiums built... They all way over exceeded the original costs.  this does not shock me at all. 

This is why the outrage was somewhat overblown. Inflation since this estimate has skyrocketed. 

[That's No Moon]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

As a Moon guy you know a lot about the sun 😛

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing, Reg.

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

This is why the outrage was somewhat overblown. Inflation since this estimate has skyrocketed. 

yup

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

This is why the outrage was somewhat overblown. Inflation since this estimate has skyrocketed. 

There's a lot of reasons why the cost has ballooned 

 

Inflation, labor unions... New York State getting their cut of the pie... New York is a state where if... The beneficiaries don't eat 

 

Nobody's eatin

Edited Saturday at 05:44 AM by Buffalo716

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's a lot of reasons why the cost has ballooned 

 

Inflation, labor unions... New York State getting their cut of the pie... New York is a state where if... The beneficiaries don't eat 

 

Nobody's eatin

I’m curious about your last part. Construction costs are made up of the cost of labor and material. Most public construction contracts do not allow the Contractor to raise their price mid-schedule for increases in labor costs. (In essence that’s the Contractor’s risk when he signs the contract.) However most have a clause allowing increases for material costs based on market forces obviously beyond the Contractor’s control. What part of labor and material is the State of NY’s ‘piece of the pie’? 

[Bray Wyatt]

It's gotta be a ny state thing, the titans stadium that was set to be 2.1 bill has only gone up 100 million, not whatever this crazy hike is

 

https://www.wsmv.com/2024/09/12/new-nissan-stadium-will-cost-more-than-22-billion-titans-cover-overages/

Edited Saturday at 03:39 PM by Bray Wyatt

[Bray Wyatt]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m curious about your last part. Construction costs are made up of the cost of labor and material. Most public construction contracts do not allow the Contractor to raise their price mid-schedule for increases in labor costs. (In essence that’s the Contractor’s risk when he signs the contract.) However most have a clause allowing increases for material costs based on market forces obviously beyond the Contractor’s control. What part of labor and material is the State of NY’s ‘piece of the pie’? 

 

Then how come a more expensive stadium in Nashville only rose 100 mill?