Beane: “working on at least 2 veteran UFA’s”

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

The plan is the same one they have been talking about for awhile.
 

LB they will have a competition for the spot with guys in house. Beane says he thinks they deserve a shot. 
 

RT they believe they have a good player in Brown who was hurt last year. I suppose they could add depth, but aren’t moving on from Brown at this time. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

 

31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The plan is the same one they have been talking about for awhile.
 

LB they will have a competition for the spot with guys in house. Beane says he thinks they deserve a shot. 
 

RT they believe they have a good player in Brown who was hurt last year. I suppose they could add depth, but aren’t moving on from Brown at this time. 

Apparently, their needs aren't the same as you believe they are as Mr Eps stated

[JohnBonhamRocks]

FWIW, we also have Quessenbery and Doyle at OT

[Kmart128]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Have you heard the press conferences... is plan is to have Dodson, Benard, Spector, and Klein to compete for the job. Maybe even Dorian if he picks up the scheme early.

 

RT is gonna be Spencer Brown... it was never even a question going into the offseason. Fans thought he could be replaced but not the front office

[Dunkirk Donski]

17 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

FWIW, we also have Quessenbery and Doyle at OT

That’s not worth much 

[hondo in seattle]

18 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Have you heard the press conferences... is plan is to have Dodson, Benard, Spector, and Klein to compete for the job. Maybe even Dorian if he picks up the scheme early.

 

RT is gonna be Spencer Brown... it was never even a question going into the offseason. Fans thought he could be replaced but not the front office

 

You rarely get everything you want for Christmas.  Like a lot of fans, I wanted a vet Tackle and vet MLB added to the roster along with a bunch of other positions on my list.   But I always knew Mom and Dad had a limited budget.  And, I gotta say, I'm happy with what we ended up with.  Beane did way more than I expected.  

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Beane McDermott might not see either of those positions as a need.  He seems to like who they have in the building already.  We’ll see how that works out.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

offer him more than a 1 year deal? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

offer him more than a 1 year deal? 

Get him signed long-term! Not only helps now but insurance when we cut Von in 2 years.

[Warriorspikes51]

that is an impressive list. Find a way to add him

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Get him signed long-term! Not only helps now but insurance when we cut Von in 2 years.

3 year 24 mil and backload it. But, Von is a freak and I expect him to play out his contract

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Richard Noggin]

Is it true that Ngakoue's one of the worst rated run defenders at his position? Could have something to do with his free agency market to date. He might be a specialist who wants to get paid like a starter?

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

Is it true that Ngakoue's one of the worst rated run defenders at his position? Could have something to do with his free agency market to date. He might be a specialist who wants to get paid like a starter?

yes he’s not good against the run.  In our rotation playing 3rd down he’d be great

[Richard Noggin]

11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

yes he’s not good against the run.  In our rotation playing 3rd down he’d be great

 

Which has me wondering if he's willing to get paid like a subpackage, pass-rush specialist?

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Which has me wondering if he's willing to get paid like a subpackage, pass-rush specialist?

he may not have a choice. Personally, I’d make him a generous offer in a 3 year deal. Maybe he’s tired of moving from team to team? In his prime and on an elite list of edge players as seen above.
 

He apparently does a ton of work in the community. 
 

Him opposite Von on 3rd downs would be scary for QBs

 

I’m not concerned about his poor run defense because Rousseau, Shaq and Von are all good against the run
 

if I recall, he’s been a player we had interest in before. Could this be another case of Beane pursing a player for years and finally landing them?

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Go shopping in the middle of the season if it’s still a need is my guess.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

27 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

that is an impressive list. Find a way to add him

 

 

 

3 year 24 mil and backload it. But, Von is a freak and I expect him to play out his contract

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

Probably need to double that contract for Yannick. He’llprobably sign something in the 1 year up to $15 million range. Long-term probably 3 years $50 million.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

 

Cap is jumping up significantly over the next 3 years and his deal could always be redone again

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

Probably need to double that contract for Yannick. He’llprobably sign something in the 1 year up to $15 million range. Long-term probably 3 years $50 million.

 

may not be offered that much due to his lack of run defense

 

I will say, after researching him and the kind of guy he is, I’d love to have him and I’m sure he’d be a great culture fit here

[BillsFanForever19]

33 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

he may not have a choice. Personally, I’d make him a generous offer in a 3 year deal. Maybe he’s tired of moving from team to team? In his prime and on an elite list of edge players as seen above.
 

He apparently does a ton of work in the community. 
 

Him opposite Von on 3rd downs would be scary for QBs

 

I’m not concerned about his poor run defense because Rousseau, Shaq and Von are all good against the run
 

if I recall, he’s been a player we had interest in before. Could this be another case of Beane pursing a player for years and finally landing them?

 

Everything you've said about Yannick is true. He IS still an Elite Pass Rusher. He's the #1 Pass Rusher still available. He's the #1 Free Agent available in the NFL of ALL positions, according to Pro Football Talk's Top 100 Free Agents.

 

Which means he's going to start somewhere. He's not still on the market because there's no one who wants him. He's still on the market because there's been a log jam of available DE's asking for a decent payday.

 

DE needy teams could afford to wait to see how the Draft played out for them because there were so many available. Now that it's over, whomever didn't adequately address the position and walk away with a starter will now be returning to the logjam list and he's going to be the first one starter needy teams will want.

 

Hell, there's probably teams who have Starters in place that would sign him as an upgrade over a Starter they have, simply because they can and their starters are weaker than ours. 

 

I think it's possible we sign one of the 8 big name Pass Rushers left. But Ngakoue will have an opportunity to start elsewhere. We'll get whomever is left without an opportunity to start when the musical chairs stops and will be happy to take the meager role and meager money we have to offer, simply to play this season.

 

That player is MUCH more likely to be a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap than an Ngakoue, Floyd, Ingram, or Clark.

 

And there's certainly no way Ngakoue signs a long term deal to be a #3 for years to come. Even if he couldn't find a starting job this year (which is highly unlikely to me), he'd want to try and find a starting job next year.

Edited May 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Everything you've said about Yannick is true. He is still an Elite Pass Rusher. He's the #1 Pass Rusher still available.

 

Which means he's going to start somewhere. He's not still on the market because there's no one who wants him. He's still on the market because there's been a log jam of available DE's. 

 

DE needy teams could afford to wait to see how the Draft played out for them because there were so many available. Now that it's over, whomever didn't adequately address the position and walk away with a starter will now be returning to the logjam list and he's going to be the first one starter needy teams will want.

 

Hell, there's probably teams who have Starters in place that would sign him as an upgrade over a Starter they have, simply because they can and their starters are weaker than ours. 

 

I think it's possible we sign one of the 8 big name Pass Rushers left. But Ngakoue will have an opportunity to start elsewhere. We'll get whomever is left without an opportunity to start when the musical chairs stops and will be happy to take the meager role and meager money we'd offer.

 

I'd imagine that's much more likely to be a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap than an Ngakoue, Floyd, Ingram, or Clark.

 

And there's certainly no way Ngakoue signs a long term deal to be a #3 for years to come. Even if he couldn't find a starting job this year (which is highly unlikely to me), he'd want to try and find a starting job next year.

good points, but could we sell him on the idea of rotation where all he has to focus on is the QB and not worry about run defense?  Also, he’d have a real shot at a ring for the first time

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

good points, but could we sell him on the idea of rotation where all he has to focus on is the QB and not worry about run defense? 

 

I mean, I'm not saying it's a TOTAL impossibility that we could get him. I'm just saying it's extremely unlikely, in my opinion.

I don't see how he would sign to be a rotational rusher for us over being a Starter on any other team. It would be a bad career move that his agents would surely advise against.

 

And I just don't see a way that no team in the league isn't going to offer him one of their 2 starting spots on the Edge - something we will not offer. And even in the unlikely event that there wasn't a starting job out there for him, there are surely teams that can offer more money than we can right now.

 

Again, it's not a total impossibility. Maybe Floyd, Ingram, and Clark get scooped up by teams that need Starters first. Maybe the teams left that want him to start are so wretched that he decides he'd rather be rotational for a Contender for less money and less playing time.

 

But yeah, I think that's pretty unlikely. Yannick Ngakoue is the #1 available Free Agent in all of Football. I don't see him having to settle. Much more likely that we'd land a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap. And any of them would be an upgrade over Shaq, Epenesa, or Basham as the #3.

 

That is, if Beane is looking to sign a DE at all. Which with Von on schedule to not miss any time and us having re-signed Shaq, I'm not totally convinced he will.

Edited May 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19