Bills won the draft. Change my mind

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I liked AT Perry.  Every time I watched Wake play, he dominated. 
 

That being said, he’s a tall wiry guy, not sure if he plays ST’s and has drops/physicality issues. 
 

Shorter is a freak specimen, plays ST’s, had good hands and wins jump balls. 
 

Two very different WR’s.  Bills don’t have a guy like Shorter on the roster. 

I understand all of that. Thank you.

 

Listen, it’s unpopular.

 

Bills fans want to cheer and clap for their team.

 

Rush in and defend every position. 
 

I praised the Bills for their first two picks. Kincaid made sense after the WR run. Torrence was great. No issues.

 

I just think the Bills got little actual help for their team R3-R7.

 

Maybe I’m wrong, probably am. But you tell me the Cards get Williams, Shorter, Broeker, Austin and Bills get Hopkins? I do that Trade all day every day. 
 

Seeing what the Bills got? 

47 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You need meds.

Got those Pom-Poms just a waving. 

[whorlnut]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Beane also backtracked slightly yesterday  on being Milanos backup. I forgot what he said to the word, but it was along the lines of:  we’ll start him outside for now, but we’ll see what happens.  You never know.  

 

I could be totally off but I saw it as if he was trying to temper expectations for the kid this year by saying he’s Milanos backup in the first PC.  Like he was protecting him from ridicule when he isn’t the starter this year.  Then the social media outrage ensued for picking another ST in rd 3S. So he decided to open the door for him at Mike this year  (even if it’s a backup). IF they drafted him to play outside (and keep Milano outside too) It’s a terrible pick imo.  I just don’t believe that was the plan.  I think they drafted him to compete to alongside Milano, but probably not in 2023.  
 

according to my couch evaluations, Williams was a reach and too small to play Mike.  According to many others that aren’t on the couch- Williams has a shot to play the Mike-  he just needs to put on some weight and hit the books.  
 

he’s a sub 4.5 with long limbs and very good tackling ability.  With McD calling the plays I think we’ll see a much greater variety of sub packages.  Rapp, Bernard, Williams, Spector, Klein, Dodson. Different skill sets for different situations.  I think it’ll be mostly nickel, but not 85-100% every game like under Frazier.  

After I posted this.i saw the updated Beane quote. Sounds like he will have a shot at MLB. I actually like Williams a lot better than bernard. The problem is, bernard has a season under his belt already. Either way, I think Williams is a good player. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If Kincaid becomes the best TE in franchise history, then none of the other picks really matter. 
 

He should have a good chance to do that. 

[NewEra]

Just now, whorlnut said:

After I posted this.i saw the updated Beane quote. Sounds like he will have a shot at MLB. I actually like Williams a lot better than bernard. The problem is, bernard has a season under his belt already. Either way, I think Williams is a good player. 

Same.  I don’t hate the Williams pick like I hated the Bernard pick. Seemed like McB got duped by Aranda

[JGMcD2]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Actually if sacks and TFLs don’t count, just tackles, then yes, Dorian Williams was more productive.

 

Also I addressed the position by saying Abdullah played “edge”.

 

Also, Beane kind of cuts your own argument out from under you because he’s most likely starting on the outside given the complexity of the Bills defense and Tulane’s simple system. All from Beane’s mouth.

 

When Beane talks about how fast and athletic Williams is, it just sticks out to me that Jacksonville picked a bigger player, with better overall measurable, big sack production a round and a half later.

 

Our reporters brought up the obvious fact that Bernard and Williams are virtually the same size. 
 

We all know Williams is not going to be a MIKE linebacker in the NFL at 6’1” 228 pounds. Same with Bernard.

 

Kline is the starter right now. 

I guess some of these guys aren’t playing MIKE in the NFL either? 
 

 

[Shaw66]

15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If Kincaid becomes the best TE in franchise history, then none of the other picks really matter. 
 

He should have a good chance to do that. 

But that's not true, at all.  He could be a HOF tight end, but the team will suffer if there's no help in the ba k end of the draft.   So.e of those guys have to become starters in a few years or the team will be weaker in those years.  That's why you're right when you say it looks like Beane mailed it in in the later rounds.   I don't think he did, but I agree its hard to see the logic in what he did. 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I guess some of these guys aren’t playing MIKE in the NFL either? 
 

 

I don’t mind, at all, in the modern NFL going with slimmer, faster linebackers.. my only worry is that we start an undersized 3T and have only one 1T on the roster.  
 

Give me Milano, Bernard, Williams behind some big bodies and I’m intrigued … but we’re really looking like a finesse bunch up the middle.  
 

Beane did say they are looking to add on the DL in FA, so this could certainly change. 

[JGMcD2]

The fact someone is trying to claim a professional sports GM just mailed in the draft is ***** stupid. 
 

I mean seriously, the guy just woke up on day 3 of the draft and said “I’m in this competitive industry where every inch counts and every move is scrutinized. TIME TO MAIL IT IN!” 

[bearcat]

Plus having 10 picks next year. In what many are saying is going to be a stronger draft class. Feels like a win

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I've wondered about this.  Is Bates actually the long-term answer at center?   I doubt it.   If he were, he would have taken Morse's job by now.   But maybe I'm wrong.   Actually, maybe this season, with solutions at guard, Bates does take Morse's job.  Maybe that's been the plan: get the guards you really want so you don't need to use Bates out of position. 

 

I don't know.   I expected the Bills take a center this year.  We'll see where it goes. 

 

47 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I am with you where I expected the Bills to snag a C. There seemed to be some good ones coming in this year.

 

As for Bates, I know they seem to like him at that spot. At very worst I think Bates backs up Morse. And while I still think Morse is a solid vet player...spending what we do on him with the concussion history is risky. I could see this being Mitch 's last year in Buffalo, taking a C next year and Bates working as a bridge starter in 2024. As you say, we shall see where it goes. But I know I'm looking forward to seeing the IOL battle that's coming up. 

 

Pretty obvious that Bates will be the backup C for Morse this year.  I've been trying to "guess" what Beane's plans are for the future at C.

Lots of fans think Bates is a shoe in but I had my doubts.  I'm going to watch what happens in camp with Bates.  He easily could be the 

odd man out as starter at G.  If that happens, he may take a lot of snaps at C this camp.

 

If Bates is not taking snaps at C, then I don't know what his long-term role will be, and one would think they will have to draft a C next year.

On the other hand, if Bates does take a good amount of C snaps, he may just be their answer to C when Morse retires or is a cap casualty.

In the meantime, Bates will be relegated to the prime IOL backup.  I don't think he would want that role next season. 

 

I'm going to watch this closely and I guess I'm changing my mind and hoping Bates can be the answer.  It would sure make thing a lot easier

for the future.  I wonder if Josh has any input to this?

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd.

 

The concept of value just went out the window.

 

Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. 
 

If Kincaid turns out to be a HOFer the class is good, but otherwise I think they got next to nothing.

 

Browns had a good draft, I still like what the Lions did, Steelers of course had a nice draft. 

 

Bengals not getting any of the elite TEs, WRs or OTs made me happy. 

 

 

You lost it at "I still like what the Lions did".

 

There hasn't been a 1st round selected RB that has lived up to the hype for the team that drafted him since Adrian Peterson in 2007.

 

[nucci]

speculation is fun but to say you won or lost a draft before a player even suits up....

[Whkfc]

30 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If Kincaid becomes the best TE in franchise history, then none of the other picks really matter. 
 

He should have a good chance to do that. 

Not exactly a high bar. Kincaid is the type of guy I've wanted the Bills to grab for years. He's a mismatch everywhere a kelce type that can change games and keep drives moving.

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You lost it at "I still like what the Lions did".

 

There hasn't been a 1st round selected RB that has lived up to the hype for the team that drafted him since Adrian Peterson in 2007.

 

 

You could say the exact same thing for tight ends.

[GETTOTHE50]

iggles and bills both got major value with the blue chip prospects that dropped to them.

 

dalton and that Georgia defensive tackle shoulda went earlier. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Eagles destroyed that draft.  If they aren’t first, the whole article is wrong

 

Yeah, hard to take a list seriously that shows all the A- and A grades and doesn't have the Eagles somewhere on it.  

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

I think Williams is a good player, but to say they replaced edmunds with him is way off. They literally came out and said he would be Milanos backup. They all but said he wouldn’t even compete for MLB. 

 

Beane also said they’ll look at what it takes to get Dorian at MLB. But then said what they always say about it taking a lot to learn the defense.

 

I’ve never seen a team that thinks their defense is so difficult to learn as the Bills do.

 

They had the same excuse for Marlowe last year. And he played in the defense before!

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

Pretty obvious that Bates will be the backup C for Morse this year.  I've been trying to "guess" what Beane's plans are for the future at C.

Lots of fans think Bates is a shoe in but I had my doubts.  I'm going to watch what happens in camp with Bates.  He easily could be the 

odd man out as starter at G.  If that happens, he may take a lot of snaps at C this camp.

 

If Bates is not taking snaps at C, then I don't know what his long-term role will be, and one would think they will have to draft a C next year.

On the other hand, if Bates does take a good amount of C snaps, he may just be their answer to C when Morse retires or is a cap casualty.

In the meantime, Bates will be relegated to the prime IOL backup.  I don't think he would want that role next season. 

 

I'm going to watch this closely and I guess I'm changing my mind and hoping Bates can be the answer.  It would sure make thing a lot easier

for the future.  I wonder if Josh has any input to this?

 

For my money, Bates is almost as much of a roster lock as can be due to his versatility. Beane even talked 2 days ago about how in addition to the IOL flex, Bates can get you out of a game at tackle if need be. His cap hit isn't unreasonable. 

 

My own thoughts are Bates is a valuable back up and may even start the season at RG before Torrence eventually takes over. Next year Bates makes for an ideal bridge C while a rookie is drafted. 

 

As far as Josh's input...he gave input into Beasley and Brown coming back last year. He (I'm sure) had input into Tanner Gentry eating up a PS squad spot all these years. I could even see Hollister being someone Josh spoke up for. And we know Josh was instrumental in bringing Matt Barkley back. Luckily, he a better QB than GM 😂.Of course he'll go to bat for Morse and want him kept...but I'm hoping Beane calls the ball on this one..lol

[Mark80]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd.

 

The concept of value just went out the window.

 

Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. 
 

If Kincaid turns out to be a HOFer the class is good, but otherwise I think they got next to nothing.

 

Browns had a good draft, I still like what the Lions did, Steelers of course had a nice draft. 

 

Bengals not getting any of the elite TEs, WRs or OTs made me happy. 

Yep, I'm sure you are a better judge of talent than the professionals that have built a perennial SB contender.  Genius.

[psuscott16]

Nfl.com gave the Bills an A also.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-final-quick-snap-grades-for-all-32-teams

 

Day 1 grade: A-

Day 2 grade: A

Day 3 grade: A

 

Analysis: I thought the Bills would move up for a pass-catcher in the first round, and that’s what they did to land Kincaid. Torrence was a steal because of the power and nimble feet he’ll provide in the run game and Williams should play immediately in Tremaine Edmunds’ old spot.

 

They picked an outside receiver with downfield ability in Shorter, who could push Gabe Davis. Broeker could have easily been a top-150 selection because of his toughness inside and experience at tackle. Austin has potential as a physical outside corner.