Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd. The concept of value just went out the window. Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. If Kincaid turns out to be a HOFer the class is good, but otherwise I think they got next to nothing. Browns had a good draft, I still like what the Lions did, Steelers of course had a nice draft. Bengals not getting any of the elite TEs, WRs or OTs made me happy. 1 5 4 2 5 4 8 Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Not sure there was a top 7-8 team who helped themselves more. Maybe the Ravens. Maybe Philly. We arguably added 2 top flight starters to the offense. To a team that was 13-3. 4 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd. The concept of value just went out the window. Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. If Kincaid turns out to be a HOFer the class is good, but otherwise I think they got next to nothing. Browns had a good draft, I still like what the Lions did, Steelers of course had a nice draft. Bengals not getting any of the elite TEs, WRs or OTs made me happy. I get what you are saying as value is important. However I believe the concept of value and importance of it is somewhat overblown by fans and pundits. Sometimes it just boils down to taking a better player that can help your team and fits what you do over value. 5 Quote
frostbitmic Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 How did the Eagles, Lions and Texans not make this list, seemed like the entire draft was about those three teams. 3 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: I get what you are saying as value is important. However I believe the concept of value and importance of it is somewhat overblown by fans and pundits. Sometimes it just boils down to taking a better player that can help your team and fits what you do over value. Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner. 1 4 2 1 1 1 6 Quote
Virgil Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Eagles destroyed that draft. If they aren’t first, the whole article is wrong 8 1 9 2 Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Well if PFF said it, take it to the bank 😂 1 Quote
Virgil Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner. Everyone passed on those guys. It was a crap draft 3 1 1 Quote
iccrewman112 Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd. The concept of value just went out the window. Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. exactly my thoughts. Superb Through round 2 then just disappointment after disappointment with the picks in my opinion. Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Eagles were also who came to mind 1 Quote
frostbitmic Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner. If you're not a starter you're either playing special teams or riding the pine. Williams will compete with the field for the 2nd starting LB job. The Kumerow replacement is Shorter. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Virgil said: Everyone passed on those guys. It was a crap draft No it wasn’t, I gave examples of the players in the 3rd. For instance, Jacksonville took Yasir Abdullah in the mid-5th. 6’-1” but 237 pounds, ran a faster 40, better vertical and broad with more production. Played linebacker/edge at Louisville. That pick right there showed me the Bills just punted on value. Jaguars got a better athlete, with more weight at the same height, at the same position a round and a half later (45-picks) than the Bills did. 3 1 Quote
T master Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) I'm not so sure of the A grade a TE that is more of a WR & his blocking skills need work plus they lost a pick to get him, 2 O linemen that are graded as very good run blocking guards in a offense that by their first pick says they are a passing offense, a OLB in the 3rd when ILB was a need & a Ala LB which was the best on the board was there . I will admit i am only a fan & i don't have the experience that the scouts & all do but if a top player is there when the Bills pick which is a need i can't for the life of me figure why they wouldn't grab them . Okay the "experts say that neither Campbell or Sanders were first round picks but seeing as Beane has said the kid from Tulane will start as a OLB & ST's who is the MLB ? The only thing we can hope for as fans is that Beane & his scouts know much much more than we do & i will back them until i see what these drafty's turn out to be . GO BILLS !! Edited April 30, 2023 by T master Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: The Kumerow replacement is Shorter. My point exactly. 1 minute ago, T master said: I'm not so sure of the A grade a TE that is more of a WR & his blocking skills need work plus they lost a pick to get him, 2 O linemen that are graded as very good run blocking guards in a offense that by their first pick says they are a passing offense, a OLB in the 3rd when ILB was a need & a Ala LB which was the best on the board was there . I will admit i am only a fan & i don't have the experience that the scouts & all do but if a top player is there when the Bills pick which is a need i can't for the life of me figure why they wouldn't grab them . Okay the "experts say that neither Campbell or Sanders were first round picks but seeing as Beane has said the kid from Tulane will start as a OLB & ST's who is the MLB ? The only thing we can hope for as fans is that Beane & his scouts know much much more than we do & i will back them until i see what these drafty's turn out to be . GO BILLS !! Beane acknowledged that “everyone is worried about it” but he feels they have the right guys. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner. Yes, typically a lot of teams start to talk about guys that can help on ST in their rookie year right around the 3rd round. Easiest way to make sure that guy makes the active GameDay roster as a rookie. That doesn't mean they can't or won't contribute in other ways. You do realize that, right? Seems like a lot of teams passed on Jones. Over and over again . Why do you believe that was a miss? 32 teams felt comfortable passing on him a lot of times...betting there's reasons. Happens every year. Guys that Kiper and his type love that fall far because of other reasons. Without knowing what those reasons are (medicals, attitude, possible criminal charges coming down) first hand....kinda hard to say it is a miss. The pick of Torrence may very well free up Bates. That takes care of the C pick you want. In addition, there are other guys rostered with C flexibility. It's obvious that Beane didn't force picks for positions. That's actually a good thing. 3 2 1 Quote
Shaw66 Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner. Well, I hear what you're saying, but I think it misses the point, which is that the Bills are a good team, and it's difficult for anyone other than the top picks to actually make the team. When you're mediocre, like the Bills were several years ago, it's much more likely that you're going to find a Milano in the draft, because (1) you're drafting higher in each round, and (2) you have needs. So, a Milano then gets on the field right away and gets to grow. A fifth rounder now has a much higher hurdle to get over to get on the field. If you can't see the field, you're development is limited. Milano got to play, and Edmunds got to play. One developed, one didn't. So, there's that. Also, because you're playing for championships, you're much more likely to fill some holes in free agency with guys who are starters or near starters. You get a Von Miller. You get a Taylor Rapp, who makes it much harder for a rookie safety to make the squad or for a Hamlin to keep his spot on the team. Being a good team changes the GM's view of the draft. Maybe it shouldn't; I wrote something yesterday about how Beane used to say that he was building for the long term, but now it's clear his focus is much more short term. But I also think what you're missing is the developmental nature of the NFL. Once you get to the fourth round, certainly the fifth round, you're drafting guys who can't make any except the worst rosters in the NFL. (There are exceptions, of course, but the better your team, the less likely that your draftees will be exceptions.) Those guys may have a future in the NFL, but it's only after they've spent a year or two on practice squads, continuing grow their bodies and developing their skills. Offensive linemen, particularly, come to the NFL unprepared to play the NFL game, and they have to learn and develop before they make it. So, beyond the third and fourth rounds, you're drafting projects. All you're looking for are guys with the potential to be good, and you're hoping to get a good yield out of those guys after a year or two of growth. It's especially true in a weak draft year, which apparently this was. So, yeah, I wasn't completely happy with Beane's focus in this draft, but I'm not sure it's fair. Beane does everything for a reason. 6 4 Quote
K D Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Eagles got 2 pro bowl type players in round 1 alone. This list is a joke 1 1 Quote
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