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[hondo in seattle]

We're so used to seeing the pairing of Milano and Edmunds that we're wondering who Edmunds' replacement is.  I'm not sure it's that simple.  I think there will be more variety this season.  

 

We might see more 4-3 without a true replacement for Edmunds.  I don't think 4-3 will become our base defense which will remain 4-2 but I do wonder if we see it more often.  

 

We also might see a rotation of bodies.  Maybe Klein in on first and running downs.  Maybe Dodson or one of the other faster/coverage guys in on other downs.  

 

It'll be interesting for sure.  

[gobills404]

I said it another thread, but whoever the starter ends up being will have one of the easiest jobs of any MLB in the league. The defense will be just fine despite Beane’s bad moves at LB.

[Buffarukus]

24 minutes ago, In Summary said:

....thus the thought of what DTs you put in front of them matters.

 

i agree. that is a major part. if our dts diminate then the smaller faster lbs is actually a good scheme. unfortunately after this year we have noone under contract. is oliver worth a huge contract? daquan still want to stay? phillips stay healthy a season. last year of the big boys and next is when the rookie lbs will have to step up. not a good combo for the future right now.

[strive_for_five_guy]

18 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I can’t see the bills playing a lot of 3 MLBs.

 

That would mean you’re playing more into your weakness (LB position) and taking off a good slot corner. (TJ)

Right, why would we play MORE 4-3, if our linebacker group is going to be weaker and we have guys like Taron, Siran and Rapp in the secondary?  Going more 4-3, you put two question marks on the field as opposed to one.

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 
Yeah its a calculated risk they are taking because they did not want to spend money on the position. There most certainly will be a step back at the position. How much that affects wins and loses remains to be seen. I suppose the are banking on everyone around the positions improving. The story was always that Tremaine affected the game in ways we couldn’t see. We will find out if that is true or not pretty quickly. 
 

If I’m the Bills, I am calling the Chargers to see what it would take to get Kenneth Murray. They just rejected his 5th year option and took his replacement in Daiyan Henley. I think Murray would excel in this system. Maybe it costs a 5th? Maybe a guy like Boogie or AJ fit better as 5 techs in their D? Free agency is pretty dry there, so maybe a trade like this could be had. 

 

 

I don't think it would even cost a 5th for Murray.   He's really fallen out of favor in LA.   That was one of those head scratcher 1st round picks that had that 1990's Buffalo Bills draft feel that used to turn me off to watching John Butler draft.  And  I agree that he'd be a fine option for Buffalo for low compensation.   His cap hit is $1.7M so he's right in Beane's alley price-wise.   But as you mentioned earlier.......Spector was intriguing in his limited preseason opportunity.   Guy seems instinctive for the position. 

[Starr Almighty]

I'm not sure what any of you are talking about, but I'm a Mets fan and I'm worried about the starting rotation.

 

I find it strange that nobody is talking baseball in an MLB thread 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Right, why would we play MORE 4-3, if our linebacker group is going to be weaker and we have guys like Taron, Siran and Rapp in the secondary?  Going more 4-3, you put two question marks on the field as opposed to one.

 

I partially agree.  The best players should be on the field, and our best 11 only includes one LB. 

 

But that doesn't mean we run a 4-1-6.  Running a 4-3-4 gives us 3 LBs close to the line of scrimmage to make tackles.  In other words, it gives the offense one more second-level guy they need to successfully block on running plays (compared to our base 4-2).  

 

I've wondered about this, too:  since Rapp is reportedly a solid tackler, will we ever have him in the game with both Poyer and Hyde as some kind of safety/LB hybrid?  

 

McD doesn't have an Edmunds-type guy to replace Edmunds.  But he does have some tools - guys with interesting skill sets.  You hate for your D to be predictable, and I think McD has the flexibility to mix it up a bit.  

[strive_for_five_guy]

48 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I partially agree.  The best players should be on the field, and our best 11 only includes one LB. 

 

But that doesn't mean we run a 4-1-6.  Running a 4-3-4 gives us 3 LBs close to the line of scrimmage to make tackles.  In other words, it gives the offense one more second-level guy they need to successfully block on running plays (compared to our base 4-2).  

 

I've wondered about this, too:  since Rapp is reportedly a solid tackler, will we ever have him in the game with both Poyer and Hyde as some kind of safety/LB hybrid?  

 

McD doesn't have an Edmunds-type guy to replace Edmunds.  But he does have some tools - guys with interesting skill sets.  You hate for your D to be predictable, and I think McD has the flexibility to mix it up a bit.  

I’m intrigued by what his addition will. mean for this defense too.  For instance, is he going to fill a pass coverage role that Tremaine was responsible for?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I’m intrigued by what his addition will. mean for this defense too.  For instance, is he going to fill a pass coverage role that Tremaine was responsible for?

Rapp played a lot of stack nickel backer in LA. That’s our base defense. So he has done it before. I think maybe he becomes that guy in super obvious pass situations, but not in base. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

On 4/29/2023 at 4:19 PM, harmonkillebrew said:

Anyone have any idea WTF we're doing??

 

Options:

- Edmunds was such a bad fit that we decided we didn't need to replace him?

- We're going to play more base 3 LB, with no real "MLB"

- we're moving to a 3-4 and Daquan Jones will play NT

- We will sign a FA MLB (who's left... Myles Jack?)

- Klein will be a stop-gap at MLB until Dorian Williams can learn the defense and gain 15 lbs

- others?

 

 

I'm having a hard time understanding our small LB drafting strategy. 

 

 

 

Why does everyone keep saying he's too small to play ILB? He is the modern day size of most LB, Athletic and smallish.... he's 6'1" 228 lbs., Here are some top ILB sizes... 49ers- Fred Warner 6'3" 229 lbs, many here wanted Lavonte David, he's 6'1" 234 lbs, Bobby Wagner 6'0" 242, Shaquille Leonard 6'2" 234, RoQuan Smith , 6'1" 236 lbs, Eric Kendricks 6'0" 232 lbs. I can go on and on and he fits the mold plus I'd say he's as athletic as alot of those guys also, you can see it just watch a few full Tulane games and he's very noticeably athletic bursting to wherever the ball is. 

[Drew21PA]

I think it was 2020 or 2021 when AJ Klein stepped in for about 4-5 games?

 

I actually hated it the first week against the chiefs I think it was - then he just got better and better in the system 

 

ended up with like 4 sacks and 2 picks or something like that.

 

was really forming into a monster - I think he plays with that edge you need with Milano and we will be above average 

My apologies

 

The year was in fact 2020

had a career year with an increased role

 

5 sacks

2 forced fumbles not picks my bad

Klein/Milano 2023 is my vote

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I think at one time when half the board hated Edmunds I said it’ll probably take more than one player to replace him. 
 

Well here we are. It’s going to be more than one player replacing him. We’ll see more personnel matching next year.

[Drew21PA]

Everyone saying edmunds is going to be hard to replace has forgetten already just how average he was 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Edmunds is still young but he was pushed around a lot and usually filled the wrong gap. He was great in coverage but you could find a 230 lb hybrid type player to fill his place. Edmunds has zero pass rush moves and was horrible at rushing the passer. I’m glad we didn’t pay him that contract.

[DJB]

15 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Edmunds is still young but he was pushed around a lot and usually filled the wrong gap. He was great in coverage but you could find a 230 lb hybrid type player to fill his place. Edmunds has zero pass rush moves and was horrible at rushing the passer. I’m glad we didn’t pay him that contract.

Pretty sure Edmunds is only 19 and getting younger 

[WhoTom]

18 minutes ago, DJB said:

Pretty sure Edmunds is only 19 and getting younger 

 

Every time someone makes a joke about Edmunds' age:

• the Pats* get a compensatory draft pick;
• Brady unretires;
• someone posts the meme of a fat guy eating a cheeseburger.

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Any thoughts on picking up Kyle Van Noy? I know that anyone at this point has some warts but I would love to be a bit more secure than Klein. 

[Motorin']

50 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Edmunds is still young but he was pushed around a lot and usually filled the wrong gap. He was great in coverage but you could find a 230 lb hybrid type player to fill his place. Edmunds has zero pass rush moves and was horrible at rushing the passer. I’m glad we didn’t pay him that contract.

 

Edmunds was great in zone coverage against average qb's and average offenses. 

 

Elite qb's in elite scheme knew how to abuse him. Edmunds wasn't particularly great at applying matching concepts or reading routes. He took a big radius over the middle away, but Mahomes and Burrow  knew how to make manipulate him left and right to get their guys wide open.

 

Here's hoping for a coverage LB that reads route concepts better than Tremaine.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Edmunds was great in zone coverage against average qb's and average offenses. 

 

Elite qb's in elite scheme knew how to abuse him. Edmunds wasn't particularly great at applying matching concepts or reading routes. He took a big radius over the middle away, but Mahomes and Burrow  knew how to make manipulate him left and right to get their guys wide open.

 

Here's hoping for a coverage LB that reads route concepts better than Tremaine.

 

 

It's not as if they aren't abusing... literally everyone.  The key to stopping both lies in pass rushing, not who you start at middle linebacker. 

 

Dodson, Williams, Bernard, Klein, Spector - Let the best man win the majority of the snaps.  There's a lot of talent and experience among that group, and i'd probably have 3 of them taking Mike snaps during camp/preseason.  Williams or bernard is likely the primary milano backup.  

 

My guess is Bernard ends up with majority of snaps, but Klein mixes in on early downs some.  

Edited May 1, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[TPS]

On 4/29/2023 at 5:40 PM, Solomon Grundy said:

Here I clicked the link thinking @harmonkillebrewwas mad at the Bills draft and wanted to talk Major League Baseball 😎

I ignored it (until now) wondering how a thread on baseball was still here?

😂