What does our O-Line look like now?

[Doc]

24 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Boettger is also going to be 29 this season. So im def keeping the young guy over him and imo Broecker is probably already better, he’s 22, and extremely durable. 

 

That will help stop them from being grandpas of the NFL...

[MrEpsYtown]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That will help stop them from being grandpas of the NFL...

True. I was actually an Ike fan from day 1 and really liked his potential. I was so upset when KC claimed him, but we got him back. The Bills could have kept Teller at LG and Ike at RG a few years ago and they could have saved themselves a lot of grief and draft capital. Ike had interesting upside…a few years go by, he gets injured and now all of a sudden he’s 29. He’s just not as interesting anymore. 

[GreggTX]

I'll be absolutely amazed if Torrence isn't a day 1 starter. I also think he will light a fire under the collective backsides of the other Offensive Linemen. As far as Brown becoming "real nasty" goes, I'll believe it when I see it and I'm not holding my breath. He still has a ridiculously long way to go and remains among the worst starting RT's if not the very worst. Some say Quessenberry is worse, but I just don't see it.

[Dr. Who]

30 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

True. I was actually an Ike fan from day 1 and really liked his potential. I was so upset when KC claimed him, but we got him back. The Bills could have kept Teller at LG and Ike at RG a few years ago and they could have saved themselves a lot of grief and draft capital. Ike had interesting upside…a few years go by, he gets injured and now all of a sudden he’s 29. He’s just not as interesting anymore. 

Leonardo Dicaprio agrees.

[BigAl2526]

I think Beane will at least explore the possibility of trading one of the veterans they don't think will start.  Boettger or Edwards come to mind.  That would depend in part on how Spencer Brown develops in the current off season and whether or not Tommy Doyle is fully healthy and can develop into a reliable swing tackle in reserve.

[BillsFanForever19]

On 4/29/2023 at 3:17 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Torrence - Brown

Quess    - Boettger    - Bates  - Edwards -  Doyle

(Doyle?) - (Broeker?)                                    (Gouraige?)

 

edit:

Broeker either PS, or in Boettger's spot if Beane pull's off a trade.

I dont know enough about UDFA OT Richard Gouraige yet. He might be able to replace Doyle at backup RT, and Doyle moves to backup LT. He might make the PS. He might just be camp fodder.

 

That right side could be REAL NASTY if those dudes get their stuff together and develop.

 

Or does Bates or Edwards have a chance of starting over Torrence, and McGovern plays RG?

 

Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown, Edwards, Quessenberry are locks. That's 7. We'll probably keep 9 total. That's the standard number McBeane usually keeps.

 

Bates is a lock, unless he's traded. He's the only Guard we have that we'd be able to move and has value. I could see a scenario where Torrence beats him out for the RG spot right out of camp and either Broeker or Boettger are looking good enough that they feel comfortable with one of them being the final Guard on the depth chart. Probably give the edge to Boettger as he can play Backup Center. But yeah, Bates or either Broeker or Boettger to go along with McGovern, Torrence, and Edwards will make up our Guards, bringing the total to 8.

 

The real question is who will be our 4th OT? Dawkins, Brown, and Quessenberry will be here. But Tommy Doyle completely tore his ACL 9/27 of last year and played an entire game on it. Almost certain he'll be put on the PUP. So do they feel good about Gouraige (or one of the futures signings) in the short term or are we going to bring in another OT? I think we may. And if we do, they'll surely be the 4th OT and the final member of the OL on the 53.

 

As for the starting Line, it's clearly Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Bates/Torrence/Edwards (whoever wins the job) - Brown

 

24 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think Beane will at least explore the possibility of trading one of the veterans they don't think will start.  Boettger or Edwards come to mind.  That would depend in part on how Spencer Brown develops in the current off season and whether or not Tommy Doyle is fully healthy and can develop into a reliable swing tackle in reserve.

 

Edwards isn't being traded. You don't sign a veteran to a 1 year deal in Free Agency and then say "thanks for choosing us, but now we're trading you somewhere else that you didn't choose and you don't have a say in it". Would set a bad precedent for anyone wanting to sign here in the future.

 

As I said above, the only moveable OG piece is Bates. But it would take Torrence or Edwards winning the job and being comfortable having Boettger or Broeker as the 4th guy (and one of the Guards being able to be backup Center, as Bates is now). I suppose if someone wanted to trade for Boettger, he could be moved. But I don't see anyone giving up anything for him.

Edited May 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Ayjent]

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown, Edwards, Quessenberry are locks. That's 7. We'll probably keep 9 total. That's the standard number McBeane usually keeps.

 

Bates is a lock, unless he's traded. He's the only Guard we have that we'd be able to move and has value. I could see a scenario where Torrence beats him out for the RG spot right out of camp and either Broeker or Boettger are looking good enough that they feel comfortable with one of them being the final Guard on the depth chart. Probably give the edge to Boettger as he can play Backup Center. But yeah, Bates or either Broeker or Boettger to go along with McGovern, Torrence, and Edwards will make up our Guards, bringing the total to 8.

 

The real question is who will be our 4th OT? Dawkins, Brown, and Quessenberry will be here. But Tommy Doyle completely tore his ACL 9/27 of last year and played an entire game on it. Almost certain he'll be put on the PUP. So do they feel good about Gouraige (or one of the futures signings) in the short term or are we going to bring in another OT? I think we may. And if we do, they'll surely be the 4th OT and the final member of the OL on the 53.

 

As for the starting Line, it's clearly Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Bates/Torrence/Edwards (whoever wins the job) - Brown

 

 

Edwards isn't being traded. You don't sign a veteran to a 1 year deal in Free Agency and then say "thanks for choosing us, but now we're trading you somewhere else that you didn't choose and you don't have a say in it". Would set a bad precedent for anyone wanting to sign here in the future.

 

As I said above, the only moveable OG piece is Bates. But it would take Torrence or Edwards winning the job and being comfortable having Boettger or Broeker as the 4th guy (and one of the Guards being able to be backup Center, as Bates is now). I suppose if someone wanted to trade for Boettger, he could be moved. But I don't see anyone giving up anything for him.

I dont see Bates being traded. Too much uncertainty with Torrence as a rookie and Morse with concussions.  His versatility to fill positions on the line makes him far too valuable as a solid contingency plan for any issues on the line.  

 

I know people are down on Brown and i get it.  I was disappointed with his play last season too. However, I do think his potential is there but if it doesnt show this year its likely not the answer at RT.  I do think the Bills are putting too much faith in his ability to step up, but I hope im wrong bc they dont have another good option at the position.  Every tesm has to roll yhe dice somewhere but its an important position bc Josh likes to roll out right. 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

Perhaps being Kincaid some kind of WR/TE hybrid they can save a spot there and carry 10 OLs rather than the usual 9.

 

Dawkins Doyle

McGovern Broeker

Morse Bates

Torrence Edwards

Brown Quessenberry

 

Everyone else goes to the PS or is cut.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

My read on McGovern is he is just at starter threshold, with only 1 real year of full starting experience. 

 

Bates could still beat him out. 

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

Perhaps being Kincaid some kind of WR/TE hybrid they can save a spot there and carry 10 OLs rather than the usual 9.

 

Dawkins Doyle

McGovern Broeker

Morse Bates

Torrence Edwards

Brown Quessenberry

 

Everyone else goes to the PS or is cut.

RT looks BAD

[BBFL]

34 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

RT looks BAD

Tough ask to make a roster period as a late round pick or a UDFA but if Gouraige is on par with Quessenberry, you have to take him IMO given his experience at both Tackle and Guard. 

Furthermore, if Brown plays to the level of the past 2 years and the guard play next to him is improved will they be willing to love on from the incumbent hope of his turning the corner and actually address it to a serious extent ASAP?

Edited May 5, 2023 by BBFL

[Beast]

Looks to possibly being strong in the middle and weak on the outside.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Beast

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Bates has way too much value to this team, he will make 4 million this season. Best case he’s the starting RG, worst case he’s the primary backup at LG-C-RG and emergency plan at LT and RT. 
 

I feel there is no chance Bills trade him if Big Cy beats him out. 
 

When was the last time we could say we had amazing IOL depth? 

3 hours ago, Beast said:

Looks to possibly being strong in the middle and weak on the outside.

Nah, Dawkins is legit. Brown is the wildcard. This is his first ever healthy pro offseason, so let’s see how he looks. 

21 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

My read on McGovern is he is just at starter threshold, with only 1 real year of full starting experience. 

 

Bates could still beat him out. 

Both also have Center potential. Morse legitimately could be 1 concussion away from being forced to hang it up. 

[Beast]

17 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Bates has way too much value to this team, he will make 4 million this season. Best case he’s the starting RG, worst case he’s the primary backup at LG-C-RG and emergency plan at LT and RT. 
 

I feel there is no chance Bills trade him if Big Cy beats him out. 
 

When was the last time we could say we had amazing IOL depth? 

Nah, Dawkins is legit. Brown is the wildcard. This is his first ever healthy pro offseason, so let’s see how he looks. 

Both also have Center potential. Morse legitimately could be 1 concussion away from being forced to hang it up. 

I guess Dawkins is legit. A legit mediocre LT in my eyes. Gets beat WAY too often.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Not sure why people are making Bates the odd man out. McGovern can also play all 3 interior positions. He essentially on a 1 year contract.

 

Bates is the better player. He’s also better at LG.

[Simon Says]

On 4/29/2023 at 3:17 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Torrence - Brown

Quess    - Boettger    - Bates  - Edwards -  Doyle

(Doyle?) - (Broeker?)                                    (Gouraige?)

 

edit:

Broeker either PS, or in Boettger's spot if Beane pull's off a trade.

I dont know enough about UDFA OT Richard Gouraige yet. He might be able to replace Doyle at backup RT, and Doyle moves to backup LT. He might make the PS. He might just be camp fodder.

 

That right side could be REAL NASTY if those dudes get their stuff together and develop.

 

Or does Bates or Edwards have a chance of starting over Torrence, and McGovern plays RG?

 

 

Greg Mancz?

[ColoradoBills]

I think some of you guys are overthinking this.

 

I see it as:

Dawkins-McGovern-Morse-Torrence-Brown

Bates-1st depth for all the IOL spots.

Q-Doyle-Gouraige battling for 2 spots.

Edwards-Broeker-Boettger battling for 1 spot.

 

Brown starts the season at RT and we all will see how that works out.  I think he improves, but we won't know if it's enough.

 

The 8 bolded make the team IMO.  Last OT will be decided in camp.

The only way Q or Edwards don't make the team is if someone else looks totally awesome in camp.

That would be a good thing, but I don't count on it, and I bet Beane doesn't either.

 

Broeker (if he looks ok) will suffer a mysterious quad injury and be redshirted.

Ike gets cut and if no other team signs him he goes to PS.

Mancz and the rest battle for PS spots.

 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

On 5/6/2023 at 12:18 AM, ndirish1978 said:

RT looks BAD

 

Hard to disagree. On paper, RT looks like the weakest spot, but McBeane have been pretty straightforward in stating that they expect Brown to bounce back and take the next step forward in his career, and that's what they are left with.

 

To an extent, that's a bet that may make or break our chances to go as deep as we hope for into the off-season.

One more reason to carry 10.

[ndirish1978]

Just now, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

To an extent, that's a bet that may make or break our chances to go as deep as we hope for into the off-season.

 

 

This is why I think they need another vet. So much depends on the Oline. DE and MLB are holes, but all that means is we're going to have to put up points. Hard to have major holes on both sides of the ball. Wish they had done more to fix the OL so our problems on D could be minimized. 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

Greg Mancz?

 

With only $4500 in dead cap space if cut, I expect Mancz to be cut.