RD 2, Pick 59: G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida

[SCBills]

Just now, CaptnCoke11 said:

Versatility on the OL is huge.  OL is pretty banged up unit league wide.  Guys that can play multiple spots are more coveted 

Yes, obviously.  

[Manther]

25 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

In todays NFL and Roster constraints, Ideally your IOL prospects are OG/OC or OG/OT (Specially if you are talking in round 1).  So just being an OG will hurt value, but I do think that sometimes when you are looking at a potential Pro-Bowl to All-Pro OG I dont care if he ONLY plays OG.  because he will NEVER move from this position.  But in terms of draft grading yes that position flexibility or lack there of will push you down boards.

Agree on everything

[babulator]

 

That is one massive man! GJ, Go Bills!

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Versatility on the OL is huge.  OL is pretty banged up unit league wide.  Guys that can play multiple spots are more coveted 

It usually is. But you have Bates, Q and Ike as depth/backups that can all play various positions. I think this was the right pick. Lock down the RG position and use the others for versatility.

 

While reading more on Cybo (😉) he played LG in 2019 and has also practiced C (not in games though).

 

There's an old saying, Jack of all trades, master of none. We need a couple of masters.😁

[Magox]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

Was reading some things about him and the key points I found interesting.

 

- Excelled at Louisiana as a freshman - Freshman All American team

- All sunbelt conference his sophomore and junior years

- Wanted to take it to next level and goes to Florida and becomes consensus first team All American

- Goes to Senior Bowl and has stand out performance

- Did very well against Jalen Carter when he matched up against him

- Had high pass and run blocking grades consistently throughout his collegiate career

- Never gave up a single sack or QB knockdown his senior year with Florida against top SEC competition

- Never gave up a sack in over 3000 snaps his entire collegiate career

- Didn’t have a single penalty called against him at Florida his senior year

 

All this guy has ever done is been consistently very good everywhere he has gone.

Not only has he been a phenomenal college guard who has been very consistent anytime he steps on the field whether it was lower/mid level competition or the elite level (SEC) or the Senior Bowl, he has elite level Wingspan of the top 1 percentile and top 3 percentile hand size.

 

Dude is tough to get around which is why he has never given up a sack in his career.   On top of that he has given up only 1 QB hit in the last two years and never gave up a single QB hit at Florida in the SEC.

 

Thats almost unheard of.

[Augie]

46 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

In todays NFL and Roster constraints, Ideally your IOL prospects are OG/OC or OG/OT (Specially if you are talking in round 1).  So just being an OG will hurt value, but I do think that sometimes when you are looking at a potential Pro-Bowl to All-Pro OG I dont care if he ONLY plays OG.  because he will NEVER move from this position.  But in terms of draft grading yes that position flexibility or lack there of will push you down boards.

 

I totally get the benefits of versatility. Having said that, I’d rather have a guy who is outstanding at one position than a guy who is so-so at 2-3 positions. 

[NoSaint]

54 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I keep hearing that Cyrus kept falling in the draft because he is a guard in a guard only
 

I want to know why that’s such a bad thing if you’re really good at the one position that you play why are you going to get docked for it? No team is ever going to ask this guy to play anything other than guard and that’s OK.

because early in the draft some positions are more valuable. A good tackle is a rarer skill set. 
 

do you wonder why a safety  slides more than a corner? 
 

guards don’t need as elite a skill set. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by NoSaint

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I totally get the benefits of versatility. Having said that, I’d rather have a guy who is outstanding at one position than a guy who is so-so at 2-3 positions. 

Agree.  I am just pointing out why those single position only players tend to get pushed down boards.  When you are using a top pick it is easier hedging risk.  very very rarely (specially in the IOL) will you see a OG only get drafted in the 1st.  That is by no means a nock on Torrence I have him projected at a 10 year pro with all-pro potential.  So I absolutely will spend a late first on that, and OBVIOUSLY a late second in a heartbeat.  It is risk management with certain positions like IOL is all and how it affects grading sometimes.

[balln]

Bills got Dk / valued at 10-13 at 25 

 

bills got cybo valued 27-35 at 59

 

talk about VALUE , and both top at their positions in entire draft 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Everyone.

 

Football isn't about offense. It's about both offense and defense.

 

Good good picks, but not because they're on the offense. Just because they're really good players and good bargains were picked.

Bills will be just fine without Edmunds. My point is I’m glad they didn’t draft a MLB high and instead went w/ the #1 TE prospect + top rated guard Torrence. Those 2 will more than make up for whatever setbacks the defense faces without #49. We have never had an elite TE before (they are almost as difficult to find as a franchise QB.) Just the thought of one paired w/ Allen gives me goosebumps. This type of draft has been long overdue assuming the picks pan out. The defense will continue to be a top 10 unit which is more than enough w/ an offense of this caliber. 

[0017]

29 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It usually is. But you have Bates, Q and Ike as depth/backups that can all play various positions. I think this was the right pick. Lock down the RG position and use the others for versatility.

 

While reading more on Cybo (😉) he played LG in 2019 and has also practiced C (not in games though).

 

There's an old saying, Jack of all trades, master of none. We need a couple of masters.😁

We have Master Bates. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

When you have a qb like Josh Allen guard or tackle pick in any round is always smart

[Beast]

Versatility, though nice especially with backups, doesn’t mean a whole lot if he is projected to be a starter, which he obviously was drafted to be relatively early.

[NoSaint]

22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Agree.  I am just pointing out why those single position only players tend to get pushed down boards.  When you are using a top pick it is easier hedging risk.  very very rarely (specially in the IOL) will you see a OG only get drafted in the 1st.  That is by no means a nock on Torrence I have him projected at a 10 year pro with all-pro potential.  So I absolutely will spend a late first on that, and OBVIOUSLY a late second in a heartbeat.  It is risk management with certain positions like IOL is all and how it affects grading sometimes.

I think it’s much more the “could he be a tackle but I’ll settle for guard player has more upside value because tackle not because versatility 

[BuffaloRebound]

This guy, a big slot in Kincaid, and Damien Harris… adds a different dimension to the offense that it was lacking.  More physicality was definitely needed on the offense.  

In regards to the defense, it looks like they’re banking on Tre returning to form, the return of Hyde, Elam making a leap, Rapp adding some physicality to the back 7, and replacing Edmunds by committee.  I could see Oliver stepping it up in a contract year, and continued improvement from Rousseau.  Jones, Phillips and Shaq provide steady play and hopefully Epenesa and Basham show some marginal improvement and Von rounds into form by end of season. 

[The Wiz]

46 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It usually is. But you have Bates, Q and Ike as depth/backups that can all play various positions. I think this was the right pick. Lock down the RG position and use the others for versatility.

 

While reading more on Cybo (😉) he played LG in 2019 and has also practiced C (not in games though).

 

There's an old saying, Jack of all trades, master of none. We need a couple of masters.😁

Need to finish the quote.

 

"But oftentimes, better than a master of one."

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Need to finish the quote.

 

"But oftentimes, better than a master of one."

That is not from the original quote. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Can we put Dawand Jones next to him please

[JerseyBills]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This guy, a big slot in Kincaid, and Damien Harris… adds a different dimension to the offense that it was lacking.  More physicality was definitely needed on the offense.  

In regards to the defense, it looks like they’re banking on Tre returning to form, the return of Hyde, Elam making a leap, Rapp adding some physicality to the back 7, and replacing Edmunds by committee.  I could see Oliver stepping it up in a contract year, and continued improvement from Rousseau.  Jones, Phillips and Shaq provide steady play and hopefully Epenesa and Basham show some marginal improvement and Von rounds into form by end of season. 

A WHOLE different dimension.  Can't wait. Opens up the run gm, play action too.

Way less predictable how we attack a team on a weekly basis

Edited April 29, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Can we put Dawand Jones next to him please

He is allegedly off a lot of teams' boards because of character issues and he is a sloppy big guy. I would take a chance on him with the sixth round pick.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Dr. Who