Was the trade up necessary? 🤔

[Yantha]

To the OP, we will never know.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Jerry Jones looked pretty upset after, so I'd bet Beane was right about him wanting Kincaid. 

[Your Brown Eye]

All day long

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

The Trade up and Pick got them COMPLETELY FLUSTERED

 

 

I like how their draft room is setup with Jones like he's the smartest man in the room.  Meanwhile, Terry sits in the corner eating a bowl of fruit loops. 😆

😆

Edited April 28, 2023 by The Wiz

[mjt328]

Only Dallas knows for sure if they were going to take Dalton Kincaid at their pick.  And they are certainly aren't going to reveal that information to the public, because it makes them look bad.  So whatever Jerry Jones says now means absolutely nothing.

 

With that said, I've read over tons of mock drafts over the last few weeks.  There was a very strong assumption amongst anyone plugged into the Cowboys that they were targeting Tight End early in the draft.  Of course it could have been a smokescreen.  But the information sitting out there suggested Dallas at least could be looking at Kincaid.

 

Now if you listen to Brandon Beane, there were multiple offers to trade-down on the table.  He didn't expect anyone they had a 1st Round grade on to reach Pick #27.  The Bills were fully expecting to trade back.  But when Kincaid unexpectedly dropped to #25, and he was the last person with a 1st Round grade they had, Beane decided to make the move.

 

Time will tell if the Bills scouting on Kincaid was correct.  And ultimately that is all that matters.  But based on the grades Beane had, and the reasonable expectation that Dallas could take him, I do believe the trade-up was a smart move.

 

[Freddie's Dead]

All indications were that Jerruh was gonna pick him.  Great move by Beane for a late 4th (practically 5th) rounder.

[billsbackto81]

Worth it? Probably not.

But you need to consider that these War Rooms have Intel that us as average fans are not privy to. 

 

They must have been absolutely convinced Dallas was taking Kincaid and felt they couldn't afford to lose possibly the last offensive player they had a 1st round grade on.

[BillsSbSoon]

17 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I like how their draft room is setup with Jones like he's the smartest man in the room.  Meanwhile, Terry sits in the corner eating a bowl of fruit loops. 😆

😆

They sit there in that setup every year like they’re better than everyone else and then sat there stonefaced like a bunch of idiots. It’s honestly one of the funniest draft moments ever

[rusty shackleford]

25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I like how their draft room is setup with Jones like he's the smartest man in the room.  Meanwhile, Terry sits in the corner eating a bowl of fruit loops. 😆

😆

[stevestojan]

I don’t care if he’s the next coming of Jamarcus Russel. Watching Jerry scramble to make a pick after we did that (and I think they took 14:30 to do it) after we clearly took his guy was awesome. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Aside from the fact that they had to jump Dallas, who knows if a team like Cincinnati or something may have been able to jump Dallas as well. A very late 4th is bot a big deal to give up. They also have a pick at 137, so they had two picks in a cluster. They still have a pick in that area. 

[The Wiz]

11 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:

I can't 😄 enough at this.

 

Sent it to my cowboys friend and he blocked me 😄

[Warriorspikes51]

Apparently it was per Ian R just now on NFL Network. Rams tried to trade up for Kincaid and other teams were interested as well

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Zay Jones was out of his mind, for some strange reason. That was a (mental health) outlier, in my mind. He’s still in the league, and I doubt we’ll ever know exactly what was going on behind the scenes. 

 

That's a tangent.  

 

Point being people here were all gaga about him too and his gawdy collegiate numbers.  Sometimes you have to look at how they were amassed.  That's the job of the scouts, if they fail to do so it's at their own risk.  

 

Look at how rookie TEs typically perform, even the most highly rated ones.  I simply don't see him making a significant rookie impact, and that's if they even use him and if they do whether the use him to utilize his skillset as best that they can.  Look what they did with Himes, signed him, blathered on about a receiving RB that would "open things up," and then hardly any opportunities to do that, and it had nothing at all to do with his abilities, because he's quite capable.  

 

I simply think that everyone's expectations are far too high for him.  Beane needed to knock one out of the park.  I"ve never said that Kincaid isn't or won't be good, but that I doubt he'll be a significant difference maker, and for a team weak on the OL and currently two LBs short of a full set, it was a luxury pick.  They should have gone Harrison.  

 

We'll see what happens, but if Allen doesn't have the protection again and our running game isn't any better, then Beane's going to have nowhere to hide now.  I mean how many seasons of leaning on Allen to cover-up all of his miscues in the drafts can he have?  What, he's a cat with 9 lives like that or something.  

 

Either way, all I was saying originally was that fan opinion here doesn't matter a hill of beans as to how things play out.  All we do is discuss, bicker, argue, etc. each other.  LOL  

 

But looking back over the past, my expectations for a rookie TE coming out of the PAC-12 aren't high.  

 

 

 

 

 

[K D]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I think you are ridiculously credulous if you are taking that explanation straight. Cowboys wanted Kincaid and the Bills got the jump on them. 

Based on what? Who is your source?

[appoo]

To all the people who voted no....do you hate having reliable threat between the hashes, and a safety valve that'll get you 5-10 yards whenever defenses strategize to take away the perimeter?

 

Or are you perhaps Chuck Pollack of the Olean Times?

 

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Based on what? Who is your source?

Didn't Beane himself tell us this?

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

Based on what? Who is your source?

Discernment of human nature. Do you always accept at face value the public statements of public figures? Lots of commentators have concluded the Cowboys wanted Kincaid, not just Skip Bayless. So, it's a matter of judgment. No one is hooking Jerry Jones up to a lie detector. If you believe him, I think that is naive, but you are free to maintain that judgment.

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

To all the people who voted no....do you hate having reliable threat between the hashes, and a safety valve that'll get you 5-10 yards whenever defenses strategize to take away the perimeter?

 

Or are you perhaps Chuck Pollack of the Olean Times?

 

Didn't Beane himself tell us this?

 

Or maybe they just thought that we needed OL or a starting LB since we only have one good one instead.  

 

Why does everyone have to be right about everything?  Can't things just be a discussion?  

 

 

[appoo]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Or maybe they just thought that we needed OL or a starting LB since we only have one good one instead.  

 

Why does everyone have to be right about everything?  Can't things just be a discussion?  

 

 

I was being somewhat mean/sarcastic, because I'm frustrated at all the negativity these days around here, that's my bad -  but the point I was trying to make is that with first round picks, you try to add as much value to the current roster for next season as possible. 

 

There wasn't a LB or Lineman anywhere near the value of Kincaid, and really based on what was left, if the Bills hadn't swung that trade, they were better off trading out of the first round entirely. 

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

To all the people who voted no....do you hate having reliable threat between the hashes, and a safety valve that'll get you 5-10 yards whenever defenses strategize to take away the perimeter?

 

Or are you perhaps Chuck Pollack of the Olean Times?

 

Didn't Beane himself tell us this?

 

BTW, one could easily spin that otherwise.  Playing devil's advocate, and for the purposes of discussion, ... 

 

To all the people who voted yes, ... do you hate having a reliable defense and one that doesn't shut down in the playoffs, or an OL that can't keep the heat off in the playoffs?  

 

See how easy it is.  

 

As well, as if "voting yes" even matters.  The entire board was gaga when we drafted Oliver and couldn't stop talking about he was going to singlehandedly revolutionize the defense.  How'd that work out for us in the storm of popular opinion?  

 

Same for Rousseau to a lesser extent, and everyone went absolutely nuts over Zay Jones too.  It's easy to say things now, but back then the opinions and "votes" were the same.  Again, how'd that work out for us.  

 

So how about simply waiting and seeing.  Either way, Kincaid is hardly the end-all-to-be-all selection.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, appoo said:

I was being somewhat mean/sarcastic, because I'm frustrated at all the negativity these days around here, that's my bad -  but the point I was trying to make is that with first round picks, you try to add as much value to the current roster for next season as possible. 

 

There wasn't a LB or Lineman anywhere near the value of Kincaid, and really based on what was left, if the Bills hadn't swung that trade, they were better off trading out of the first round entirely. 

 

That's fair, but how about Harrison?  He'd have been an equally solid pick.  Or simply trading down, we don't know whether anyone was willing to trade-up.  I doubt that we ever will.  

 

Either way, we presently have only one starting caliber LB.  What if Milano goes down with an injury, for several games much less the rest of the season?  Then what?  Do you really have confidence in our LBs?  I don't, none whatsoever after Milano.  

 

And the OL, OK, so we got McGovern, and there's mixed reviews there, but that's about it as Morse ages out and our Ts approach contracts.  I don't think that Beane is a great planner and he should be counting his lucky stars every single night that he has Allen.  I doubt he'd still be here if we had drafted Rosen.