No excuses for Ken Dorsey this year

[Rich Stadium Original]

Without doing a deep dive analysis of Dorseys play calling, I think the offense was strapped by poor execution of the offensive line. When runs were called on first and second down it was usually for minimal gain, leaving the team in 3rd and long, limiting what was available from the playbook.

When passes were called, I think Allen experienced one of the highest pressure rates in the league. He was rarley comfortable in the pocket getting through all his progressions, and was either throwing it sooner than he wanted, or took off running. I think we all remember games where Brown looked like a turnstile out there.

In some games, Diggs would be double covered, particularly over the top, and NOBODY else was getting open...do I even need to bring up drops??

There is a lot that really needs to be cleaned up before you can criticize the play calling specifically.

[Taro Nimbus]

And to think.  The Bills went 13-3 under Dorsey’s first year as OC, and statistically had one of the best years in Bills history Offensively.   Yeah, sure they had a couple of off games, but just imagine what they can do in year 2.  

[Meatloaf63]

On 4/28/2023 at 3:51 PM, Rc2catch said:

Knox was open quite a bit. Doesn’t matter if he’s not targeted. Same goes for Kincaid or shakir or cook or whoever is running shorter routes within 15 yards of the line that josh doesn’t even look at. Some of those guys are winning their matchups but josh is 30 yards downfield hunting the big play. I have to believe as they go over footage Josh is seeing all these easy plays he gave away looking for the big ones. 

I certainly hope so. Fixing that problem alone will have a great impact on this team.

[Coldfronts]

On 4/28/2023 at 3:08 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Dorkey ?

yes

[hondo in seattle]

This is what Lil Dirty said about the Cinci game...

 

“The Bengals ran basic routes, maybe we should’ve did that, ran basic routes.  Like out routes, go balls, you know, instead of running routes that you have to be going lateral or coming back to the football, or turning and running curls and things like that. If we were in a dome it would have been a totally different game.”

 

Doesn't speak highly of Dorsey's game-planning and play-calling. 

[AuntieEm]

On 4/28/2023 at 1:57 PM, Bangarang said:

This reminds me, we need a nickname for Dorsey. 

 

I say the nickname has to begin with the letter K to tie In with having to develop plays for  2 te sets with out DK tes.  Dawson Knox, Duncan Kincaid and Dorsey K....   I guess his nickname shall be Kenny.  But they also need to change Billy Buffalo to the nickname Frosty.  Then if Dorsey can't get the offense over the hump in the playoffs we can all dress up as Southpark characters and march behind Frosty shouting  Frosty Kill Kenny.  Days of protesting with torches and pitchforks is so old school we need to bring the Mafia protests into the modern era.  

 

 

The above is just satire as I do not hold Dorsey responsible for the lack of adjustments with all the distractions that the team dealt with.  It truly was everything but the Kitchen Sink last year.  So that makes me chose 2 nicknames for Dorsey.  If he fails its the above Kenny  but if he succeeds and turns the Bills into the next unstoppable force he gets the nickname Kitchensink  and if he schemes in Cook as well with the 2 tes then it's really a triple dks offense.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Matt_In_NH]

I remember these same threads every year about Dabol.   

Bills were second in yards and points and first in third down conversion.   Sure there is room for improvement and we can talk about this guy getting more or that guy getting more but expecting a ton more output overall might be unrealistic.  

[AuntieEm]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

This is what Lil Dirty said about the Cinci game...

 

“The Bengals ran basic routes, maybe we should’ve did that, ran basic routes.  Like out routes, go balls, you know, instead of running routes that you have to be going lateral or coming back to the football, or turning and running curls and things like that. If we were in a dome it would have been a totally different game.”

 

Doesn't speak highly of Dorsey's game-planning and play-calling. 

 

What I took out of that quote was doesn't speak highly of the effort a face of the franchise wanna be put in for such an important game.  When you got full effort guys like Diggs and Josh  you better be modifying your play to match the effort of the real faces of the franchise.  The running lateral was needed when the oline couldn't keep the rush away from Josh.  

 

That's me though I tend to place the execution of plays more on the players than on the design because if the player is focused and understands his role then he can adapt in game situations when a play gets blown up.  It's why Gabe and Knox both improved their awareness when Josh extends plays.  Problem was Josh stopped hitting the players open in middle after he injured his throwing arm.  

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

31 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I remember these same threads every year about Dabol.   

Bills were second in yards and points and first in third down conversion.   Sure there is room for improvement and we can talk about this guy getting more or that guy getting more but expecting a ton more output overall might be unrealistic.  

I don’t understand what fans want from the guy? The bar is really high. The whole season counts. Yes they struggled in the 2nd half of the season. There are so many reasons

for the struggles. Dorsey is one of the reasons, but not the reason.

[fergie's ire]

Last year, the Bills had a TE group that consisted of a player with a history of concentration problems who had just suddenly lost his little brother, an undrafted free agent, and a 7th rounder that they eventually let go.  It is shocking that Dorsey could not do more with that group and he should have been fired immediately.

[Fleezoid]

The Bills offense statistically was very good. However, to me, it failed the eye test. It just looked stale compared to Daboll's offense.

 

With that said, I'm hopeful the offseason is what Dorsey needed. They went heavy offense in the draft. Between the draft and signings, they focused on size at nearly every position, which, IMO was absolutely needed; bigger receivers, bigger RBs, bigger interior linemen. I think the running game is gonna get a big boost.

 

“If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.”

— Bill Parcells

 

My hope is that a lot of these offseason moves has Dorsey's fingerprints all over 'em.  I'm counting on a better balanced and more creative scheme.  Time will tell, but yeah, if the offense flops this year then the Bills should start looking elsewhere. 

[Fan in Chicago]

10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

This is what Lil Dirty said about the Cinci game...

 

“The Bengals ran basic routes, maybe we should’ve did that, ran basic routes.  Like out routes, go balls, you know, instead of running routes that you have to be going lateral or coming back to the football, or turning and running curls and things like that. If we were in a dome it would have been a totally different game.”

 

Doesn't speak highly of Dorsey's game-planning and play-calling. 

I dont put much credence on his comments regarding game planning, play design and selection of routes. He should have stuck to describing what he was told to do and then what he actually did/not do. 

 

Overall - the entire team was just off, deflated and unmotivated. I dont think any amount of game planning would have overcome that. In a playoff game, you have to come with everything you got. The Bills did not. It was one of the most baffling games in the McBeane reign. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Fan in Chicago

[ddaryl]

Allowing a rookie OC to take the reins of team fully in their SB window was a big gamble.... but one Allen endorsed and wanted.

Add in Beanes blatant avoidance of actually finding improvements along the OL and over focusing those resources on D was just as big of a gamble. Especially when you have a rooie OC and a top highly paid QB.

 

lots of gambling last year and we left the casino busted

Edited May 19, 2023 by ddaryl

[C.Biscuit97]

Honestly, what did people expect from a guy who has never been an OC before? Blame McDermott for making him the OC but it’s wild the expectations some have. “I know you have never done this job but you need to be awesome at it right away. “

It’s hindsight, but since he left LC, Bienemy would have been a helluva a hire. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I mean, y’all realize the offense was actually really good last year, right? 

[ddaryl]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I mean, y’all realize the offense was actually really good last year, right? 

 

 

good but inconsistent. If it wasn't for Allen balling out as much as he did we wouldn't be using the word good here. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

17 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

good but inconsistent. If it wasn't for Allen balling out as much as he did we wouldn't be using the word good here. 

He has areas to improve, no question, but this wasn’t a like a 14th rated Offense.

 

They were #1 in DVOA, Dorsey build a phenomenal foundation. Allen is a massive part, but they still did good things. 

[TheWeatherMan]

2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Dorsey is a bum. The offense is not at all imaginative and honestly they seem underprepared on Sundays. Daboll was a huge loss. 

 

 

I wouldn’t call him a bum, he looked like an above average first year OC to me.  Problem is, having a first year OC lead a SB caliber offense of a team poised to make a SB run probably wasn’t the brightest idea.  

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

This is what Lil Dirty said about the Cinci game...

 

“The Bengals ran basic routes, maybe we should’ve did that, ran basic routes.  Like out routes, go balls, you know, instead of running routes that you have to be going lateral or coming back to the football, or turning and running curls and things like that. If we were in a dome it would have been a totally different game.”

 

Doesn't speak highly of Dorsey's game-planning and play-calling. 

KD had a notion of what he wanted to accomplish, but he was not as is said, reading the room, so to speak, with an O-line under performing as ours was, he needed to adapt, and not pretend that the line was going to be able to execute the plays he was calling. Here’s to KD learning how to read the room in a more effective fashion this upcoming season, 😁👍🍺

[GoBills808]

4 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

good but inconsistent. If it wasn't for Allen balling out as much as he did we wouldn't be using the word good here. 

That's exactly the same as Daboll, except Daboll's offense was more inconsistent and relied on Allen more.