RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Beane seemed pretty noncommittal last night when asked about Knox going forward. I think the words used were "Yea, I don't think he's going anywhere". Wasn't really firm in the answer, though. Not saying at all they plan to deal/cut him...but I do think this is a make or break season for Knox. Over the Cap shows Knox at a $14M cap hit next season and a $10M savings against the cap as a post June 1st cut. So IMO not outside the possibility of he doesn't show well they cut bait on him next year.

It’s absolutely possible personally I hope he kills it and We just rework his deal.

 

But for that much money, you need more production

 

It’s up to our offensive coordinator to make all this work

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Beane seemed pretty noncommittal last night when asked about Knox going forward. I think the words used were "Yea, I don't think he's going anywhere". Wasn't really firm in the answer, though. Not saying at all they plan to deal/cut him...but I do think this is a make or break season for Knox. Over the Cap shows Knox at a $14M cap hit next season and a $10M savings against the cap as a post June 1st cut. So IMO not outside the possibility of he doesn't show well they cut bait on him next year.

The versatility adding Kincaid gives you is dependent on a player of Knox's ability manning the conventional TE role. It would be just plain damn foolishness to trade him. I think he's been underutilized. He's money in the RZ and often open. Up to Dorsey and Allen to target him. He can't throw the ball to himself.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

It’s absolutely possible personally I hope he kills it and We just rework his deal.

 

But for that much money, you need more production

 

It’s up to our offensive coordinator to make all this work

Absolutely agree with you. The guy plays hard and fits in well. I do think they factor his blocking ability into his "production" as well. 

 

He's definitely the type of guy you want to root for. Hope he is put in position to succeed.

[JDubya76]

8 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Umm….his name is “Dalton”. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

I agree with a previous poster that Quinton Morris is a fine -if wildly underused- TE, so the roster is now set at that position. Barring significant injury, no other player need apply. I also think we’re better at WR than most believe. Therefore, commit the rest of the Draft to OL & DL. If a Wideout they really like becomes available, fine. But we can never have enough solid OL and our DT’s are all 1 year guys. I no longer see a path to trading for DHop, so we roll with who we have and look to improve our lines.

100% agree. No one left is going to be an immediate upgrade at LB. Backfield isn't a problem yet. Running back is fine. Diggs, Davis and Shakir are a functional trio. Kincaid and Knox at different parts will let us disguise 11 personnel plays as 12 and 02 as 01. 

 

At this point, the biggest hole we have a chance to fill is bolstering the O-line or prepare for pending vacancies on the D-line.

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If beane isn’t concerned about it, then neither should you be

With that logic though we should just blindly follow Beane?

 

Basham over creed? Star contract? Trent Murphy? Epenesa? Ed Oliver over Simmonds/Wilkins?

[stlbills13]

24 minutes ago, Dopey said:

That would mean Dorsey knows what he’s doing. You don’t seem to believe that, so do you really expect that?

 

I am a believer in Dorsey. I just think he's different from Daboll and last year he did half his thing and half Daboll's thing and it looked disjointed. 

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

A couple of things here
You need to understand, defensive coverages if you force the defense to have to play nickel even with Dalton on the field he is being covered by a Corner which he can outmuscle if they try to cover him with a linebacker he’ll just run away either way that mismatch affects mine blocking because if you can give somebody a quick target, you don’t have to block as long

 

Second, it was only our first pick of the draft we’re not done yet

Roofs are for wimps

 

The roof thing was a joke.

 

No argument with what you said, my issue is with our priorities.  Our OL still needs help and Dorsey's still Dorsey.  

 

Everything everyone is saying assumes two things, that Dorsey will use him properly, or at all, and that he'll make the kind of impact that we need in the playoffs.  I'm not seeing either.

 

We haven't been choking in the playoffs for a lack of WRs, in fact, or money man Diggs has been horrible in the playoffs considering generally speaking.  We've been choking because our D sucks in them and our OL gets manhandled.  

 

Right now we only know one starting LB for sure.  Our D doesn't appear to have improved, it appears to have regressed.

 

I don't mind the pick per se, I simply don't think that is going to provide the boost that we're looking for our to keep the heat off of Beane & McD.  

 

Our primary weaknesses still exist.  

 

After that, if that men v. boys status, the incredibly soft competition, and one-year wonder status are overcome, them we shall see.  

 

I'm still not seeing more than 500 or so yards & 4 or 5 TDs coming from him.  I'm not sure that's what everyone's envisioning and it's not the kind of impact we need right now.  These statements of he's just like Kelce also concern me, for several reasons.  

 

What do you think he'll put up this year?

 

Again, time will tell.  Nothing that you or I say will change a thing.  🙂

 

 

[finn]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

 I think he's been underutilized. He's money in the RZ and often open. Up to Dorsey and Allen to target him. He can't throw the ball to himself.

He's been underutilized because he's had to help the incompetent Spencer Brown do his job. If Brown improves (as Beane expects) or if we find a decent right tackle, Knox can go back to catching balls. 

[MWK]

21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If beane isn’t concerned about it, then neither should you be

 

Have you seen Beane's draft history besides Josh Allen and Edmunds?

[Nuncha]

Our Tommy Sweeny replacement taken in the first round? LOL

Edited April 28, 2023 by Nuncha

[JerseyBills]

I'm sure it has been mentioned but I love the strategy.  Beane saying teams will need to stay in nickel while we are in 12 personnel which will do wonders for the run game but still gives us the ability to throw. 

And this makes me happy...

 

[ganesh]

17 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

100% agree. No one left is going to be an immediate upgrade at LB. Backfield isn't a problem yet. Running back is fine. Diggs, Davis and Shakir are a functional trio. Kincaid and Knox at different parts will let us disguise 11 personnel plays as 12 and 02 as 01. 

 

At this point, the biggest hole we have a chance to fill is bolstering the O-line or prepare for pending vacancies on the D-line.

I think it is the DL.  they have brought in a starter on the OL in FA and will probably add at least another one in the draft.   There are also some good DEs available post draft that they can get without counting against the cap.  The biggest hole at this time is DT.  They have to find a starter in this draft.

[Coach Tuesday]

Allen and Kincaid in the same offense is almost unfair.  Two of the best athletes at their positions.  Allen has talked about continuing his maturation from football player to quarterback and Kincaid is the perfect facilitator of that transition - you’re talking about a future 1a or 1b receiving option for the offense, dictating the defensive looks while keeping the defense guessing.  Plus, personality-wise, as I keep saying the joke in the locker room is that Josh has the personality of a tight end.  They need to keep building on that to give the offense an identity.

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

With that logic though we should just blindly follow Beane?

 

Basham over creed? Star contract? Trent Murphy? Epenesa? Ed Oliver over Simmonds/Wilkins?

 

What are your other real options, considering crying on a message board or calling into WGR doesnt actually do anything?

[JerseyBills]

18 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

The roof thing was a joke.

 

No argument with what you said, my issue is with our priorities.  Our OL still needs help and Dorsey's still Dorsey.  

 

Everything everyone is saying assumes two things, that Dorsey will use him properly, or at all, and that he'll make the kind of impact that we need in the playoffs.  I'm not seeing either.

 

We haven't been choking in the playoffs for a lack of WRs, in fact, or money man Diggs has been horrible in the playoffs considering generally speaking.  We've been choking because our D sucks in them and our OL gets manhandled.  

 

Right now we only know one starting LB for sure.  Our D doesn't appear to have improved, it appears to have regressed.

 

I don't mind the pick per se, I simply don't think that is going to provide the boost that we're looking for our to keep the heat off of Beane & McD.  

 

Our primary weaknesses still exist.  

 

After that, if that men v. boys status, the incredibly soft competition, and one-year wonder status are overcome, them we shall see.  

 

I'm still not seeing more than 500 or so yards & 4 or 5 TDs coming from him.  I'm not sure that's what everyone's envisioning and it's not the kind of impact we need right now.  These statements of he's just like Kelce also concern me, for several reasons.  

 

What do you think he'll put up this year?

 

Again, time will tell.  Nothing that you or I say will change a thing.  🙂

 

 

We lost 1 defensive player. We'll get back 2 All pros- Hyde n Miller. We've been a perennial top 5 D under McD. 

 

EVERY TEAM HAS HOLES.

We got an upgrade on the OL in McGovern 

 

But this pick allows Buf to add a whole different dimension to the O. In 12 personnel, if the D stays in base, Knox or Dalton will be against a LB, easy W. If they go nickel,  we have a big advantage in the run gm but still have plenty of pass catching options. 

 

Bottom line we got a playmaker! Who cares if it's a TE, we got another playmaker for 17.. I absolutely ❤️ this pick..

Edited April 28, 2023 by JerseyBills

[oldmanfan]

Everyone, and I mean everyone, went into this draft saying Josh needed more playmakers to keep pace with the Chiefs, Bengals, etc.  So they draft one and what do we now hear?  Negativity.  This place is hysterical sometimes.

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Don't you think it's likely they will be going in a different direction with this guy?  Don't you think it was obvious the offense had issues last year and we never developed a coherent "game" all year long? That's all totally on the OC by the way.  For God's sake, we brought back 2 corpses and had them running routes last year out of total desperation.

 

They are wisely realizing that things need fixing and this guy represents part of the fix.  At least that's the plan.  We'll see what he can do on an NFL field.  Josh needs a bunch more weapons; this guy should be one of them.

 

 

 

The Bills have 2 pass catching RBs in Hines and Cook that Dorsey failed to do anything with.  I have no faith in Ken Dorsey's creativity.

[jkeerie]

11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I'm sure it has been mentioned but I love the strategy.  Beane saying teams will need to stay in nickel while we are in 12 personnel which will do wonders for the run game but still gives us the ability to throw. 

And this makes me happy...

 

I was going to post this and you beat me to it.  I absolutely love this!  

[Tenhigh]

9 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

 

Dorsey and McClappy handling their newfound toy...

 

I disagree with the sentiment of your post, but the gif may have swayed me....

Edited April 28, 2023 by Tenhigh