RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[Dopey]

21 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

The majority of Dorsey's offense devolves into pulling the fire alarm and having Allen running around in circles dodging defenders while the recievers run around in circles trying to get open. So they get a guy who's good at finding open spots and getting open. I don't know, seems like a good fit to me. Again though, with Dorsey's no plan offense they still can't be done adding receivers. More more more 

We were only the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL last year, but yeah, he don’t know 💩. 
Brilliant post. 

[Chandler#81]

14 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

2DK Bills! (Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid) 

 

This is the guy I wanted. Best hands in the draft. Need to use the 2DKs like NE used Gronk/Hernandez.

I like ‘DoubleD’s’ better. Always! 😉

[BillsShredder83]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Love the big hands

 

 

 

Vids?

 

 

lol wondering same. i snort their sadness up like Tony Montana any chance i can get lol

[stlbills13]

How do we feel if he had a season on par with Beasleys best season

[GunnerBill]

Just now, NeverOutNick said:

He’s even got bigger upside than both of those guys coming out. He really is one of the few guys in this draft that pop when you watch them on tape. I don’t even care that he can’t block well because he’s going to pluck those Allen passes with ease as he creates his own holes ala Kelce-esqe, with his smooth route running and after the catch he’s got a little Kittle in him. After Flowers he is the most special pass catcher in this draft. Now we have to hope that Dorsey elevates his game this year and makes the best use of all his toys for Josh to play with

 

I agree, he does. I was just meaning in terms of style - both Henry and Gesicki are big slots rather than conventional tight ends - but he is more the Henry mould in terms of playstyle and athletic profile than the Gesicki mould. He is a smoother mover and a naunce player who will separate. Gesicki doesn't really do separation he is a power forward who just goes up and gets the ball. 

[BillsFan130]

41 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes, I think you missed the point
I think where you might be going down. The wrong path is thinking that Dalton Kincaid is going to be used in the same way as Dawson Knox

He won’t

What you saw a lot of last year was them keeping Dawson Knox in to block because the office of line wasn’t very good

You won’t see that from Dalton Kincaid he is not going to be asked to stay in and block. He is going to be used as a wide receiver.

And I think the reason why you don’t see Josh Allen throwing a lot of balls to tight ends is because Josh Allen likes separators guys that can get open. This is a guy that can get open in the slot.

Knox wasn’t blocking anymore than usual last year though.

 

Joe Marino cleared that myth up as he had a stat that said he actually ran the same amount of routes, if not even slightly more than previous years.

 

 

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

How do we feel if he had a season on par with Beasleys best season

That would mean Dorsey knows what he’s doing. You don’t seem to believe that, so do you really expect that?

[ganesh]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

We were only the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL last year, but yeah, he don’t know 💩. 
Brilliant post. 

To be fair, the 2nd half of the season seemed to be a "low scoring" team even though they scored more in the 2nd half of the season.  It is the perception.

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree, he does. I was just meaning in terms of style - both Henry and Gesicki are big slots rather than conventional tight ends - but he is more the Henry mould in terms of playstyle and athletic profile than the Gesicki mould. He is a smoother mover and a naunce player who will separate. Gesicki doesn't really do separation he is a power forward who just goes up and gets the ball. 

If I understand this correctly, one of the reasons why our new guy is getting such a late start to football is because he was actually doing basketball
 

I love these two sport players, they more often than not seem to do well in the NFL

[faderphreak]

8 hours ago, NoSaint said:

counter - he’s an oversized slot instead of undersized slot

 

Tight ends struggle to pick up the entirety of the pass game and blocking without live reps in practice but he can be WR3 day 1 and Knox as a traditional TE spot 

 

This was one of my first thoughts when the pick came in last night.  Everyone else was going for the smaller slot guys that seem to make up the bulk of the top rated receivers this year.  The Bills instead went for a 6'4, 240 lb. slot receiver.  After that debacle against Cincy where the Bills were getting bullied at times, they needed to get bigger and stronger.  

 

So instead of getting banged around and shut down, as has often been the case with our own smallish slot receivers have when the refs decide to swallow their whistles, DK2 will hopefully be much harder to take out of the game and unlike Lil Dirty, be consistent with those catches. 

 

To NoSaint's point there is a long history of traditional TEs taking a hot minute to get up to speed in traditional TE roles.  I agree that premise that Kincaid was basically brought in for his hands, his ability to run a full route tree, and basically be WR #3.  I've read how he will need work as a blocker but I'm ok with that when I consider that just in size alone he will be harder for many of these LBs to get around than Mckenzie, Bease, etc.  

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

There’s really not an emoticon to select to express how I feel about your post

 

We have two primary problems with our offense, Dorsey & the OL.

 

This solved neither.  In fact, the former will likely hinder him.  

 

Hopefully I'm wrong.  Time will tell.

 

Also, a 24 year old tearing up a few horrific defenses, and the PAC-12 is not known for its defensive protests to begin with, is hardly impressive.  He was a man among boys and only had that one great season.  

 

Gotta keep the big picture in mind.  Harrison would have been a more suitable pick, but Beane can't seem to help himself in avoiding the sexy picks whole continuing to ignore why KC & Cinci are better than we are.  

 

We shall see.  But out of curiosity, how many yards & TDs do you envision him getting this year?  Because of these picks don't make an impact this season, ...

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Knox wasn’t blocking anymore than usual last year though.

 

Joe Marino cleared that myth up as he had a stat that said he actually ran the same amount of routes, if not even slightly more than previous years.

 

 

I will look for that my point still stands that the two players are going to be used differently
 

Even if say, Dawson Knox was to miss games. I’ll bet you anything that they play somebody else in that blocking rule other than Dalton.

 

Which is OK with me some of the most productive players at that position don’t block

[PBF81]

8 hours ago, RiotAct said:

it’s the weather.

 

He's pissed that we're not getting a roof too.  

 

 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

We have two primary problems with our offense, Dorsey & the OL.

 

This solved neither.  In fact, the former will likely hinder him.  

 

Hopefully I'm wrong.  Time will tell.

 

Also, a 24 year old tearing up a few horrific defenses, and the PAC-12 is not known for its defensive protests to begin with, is hardly impressive.  He was a man among boys and only had that one great season.  

 

Gotta keep the big picture in mind.  Harrison would have been a more suitable pick, but Beane can't seem to help himself in avoiding the sexy picks whole continuing to ignore why KC & Cinci are better than we are.  

 

We shall see.  But out of curiosity, how many yards & TDs do you envision him getting this year?  Because of these picks don't make an impact this season, ...

 

 

A couple of things here
You need to understand, defensive coverages if you force the defense to have to play nickel even with Dalton on the field he is being covered by a Corner which he can outmuscle if they try to cover him with a linebacker he’ll just run away either way that mismatch affects mine blocking because if you can give somebody a quick target, you don’t have to block as long

 

Second, it was only our first pick of the draft we’re not done yet

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

He's pissed that we're not getting a roof too.  

 

 

Roofs are for wimps

Edited April 28, 2023 by John from Riverside

[BillsFan130]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I will look for that my point still stands that the two players are going to be used differently
 

Even if say, Dawson Knox was to miss games. I’ll bet you anything that they play somebody else in that blocking rule other than Dalton.

 

Which is OK with me some of the most productive players at that position don’t block

I definitely agree with you Kincaid isn’t going to block a lot.

 

My point was Knox ran a lot of routes and we underused our 14 mil tight end.

 

What makes you think we can utilize both tight ends effectively that matches the salary/investment we put into the position?

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

I definitely agree with you Kincaid isn’t going to block a lot.

 

My point was Knox ran a lot of routes and we underused our 14 mil tight end.

 

What makes you think we can utilize both tight ends effectively that matches the salary/investment we put into the position?

Is that $14 million coming out of your pocket it feels like it is
 

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the general manager is also thinking about that $14 million and how if Dawson doesn’t pick it up he might be looking for a way out of that contract

 

This would not insert Dalton into Knox role. If Knox was ever let go due to lack of production they would bring in a blocking tide in for that rule. This is specifically to give Josh Allen another weapon in the slot. You have to understand what they’re trying to do here you are basically getting the best tight end in this draft on a five year cost control contract. 

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

To be fair, the 2nd half of the season seemed to be a "low scoring" team even though they scored more in the 2nd half of the season.  It is the perception.

Last 8 games of the season:

30 points vs Minny

31 vs Cleveland 

28 vs Lions

24 vs Pats

20 vs Jets

32 vs phins

35 vs Bears

35 vs pats

34 vs phins in the playoffs 

10 vs Cincy 

Unless the perception is based off of the Cincy game, I don’t get it. That’s pretty dumb IMO. Really dumb, actually. 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Is that $14 million coming out of your pocket it feels like it is
 

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the general manager is also thinking about that $14 million and how if Dawson doesn’t pick it up he might be looking for a way out of that contract

 

This would not insert Dalton into Knox role. If Knox was ever let go due to lack of production they would bring in a blocking tide in for that rule. This is specifically to give Josh Allen another weapon in the slot. You have to understand what they’re trying to do here you are basically getting the best tight end in this draft on a five year cost control contract. 

I would assume you know how the salary cap works . It’s resources tied/used into the position that could be used elsewhere to help better the team

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

I would assume you know how the salary cap works . It’s resources tied/used into the position that could be used elsewhere to help better the team

If beane isn’t concerned about it, then neither should you be

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Is that $14 million coming out of your pocket it feels like it is
 

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the general manager is also thinking about that $14 million and how if Dawson doesn’t pick it up he might be looking for a way out of that contract

 

This would not insert Dalton into Knox role. If Knox was ever let go due to lack of production they would bring in a blocking tide in for that rule. This is specifically to give Josh Allen another weapon in the slot. You have to understand what they’re trying to do here you are basically getting the best tight end in this draft on a five year cost control contract. 

Beane seemed pretty noncommittal last night when asked about Knox going forward. I think the words used were "Yea, I don't think he's going anywhere". Wasn't really firm in the answer, though. Not saying at all they plan to deal/cut him...but I do think this is a make or break season for Knox. Over the Cap shows Knox at a $14M cap hit next season and a $10M savings against the cap as a post June 1st cut. So IMO not outside the possibility of he doesn't show well they cut bait on him next year.