RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[In Summary]

11 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That's my issue with the pick. Seems like the Bills window of opportunity is as open now as it will ever be, so why not go with an immediate contributor?

The "win now at any cost" path can cause a team to sign expensive free agents and trade draft picks away while not continually feeding the young (and affordable) talent pipeline. Leads to a forced rebuild.  I'll take a year or two of sub-prime Kincaid if it helps the team stay viable during the Allen era. If he doesn't contribute this year it's on Dorsey or the quality of the OL.

Edited April 28, 2023 by In Summary

[Nephilim17]

For the love of Bruce Smith, let's not say the same thing 10 times in this thread. Especially if it's griping. Make your point/criticism and move on.

 

To quote David Byrne, "Say something once, why say it again?"

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

For the love of Bruce Smith, let's not say the same thing 10 times in this thread. Especially if it's griping. Make your point/criticism and move on.

 

To quote David Byrne, "Say something once, why say it again?"

You can say that again.

[Beck Water]

50 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I will cut Beane a lot of slack if there is more to this plan. Kincaid makes a million times more sense if we end up landing Hopkins. 
 

Diggs

Hopkins

Kincaid 

 

 

That grouping would make so much more sense rather than a

 

Diggs 

Davis 

Kincaid 

 

I think you can cross Hopkins off.  I don't think Beane sees Hopkins as that "one splash move that will get us over the top", and even there - he didn't trade picks for Von Miller.

 

Question:  What contending teams do you know of who are paying top dollar to their QB and not one, but two, WR?  Not teams that HAVE a great QB and two great WR like the Bengals, but teams that are PAYING them. 

That's the issue here.  We're paying Josh, we're paying Diggs, we got to try to draft a great receiver or pluck an undiscovered FA gem off the depth chart

 

 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I still feel like this move doesn’t move the needle unless it’s paired with a Hopkins trade. 
A big bodied slot guy only makes sense if you have 2 very good WRs who are clogging up the field. Personnel wise, you can’t guard Kincaid with a LB, he will destroy you. 
That’s why Kincaid would be an A+ pick if Beane has more to this plan. 

This is nonsense.  Did you happen to miss every chief game this year? 
 

juju and MVS are not very good.  I’d take both over gabe but no one is worried about them enough to take coverage away from Kelce.  Yet, the big bodied, smooth route running, catch everything slot ate everyone for lunch and dinner.  

[balln]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The problem is Davis is not good. Teams will just put a good corner on Kincaid because Davis never commands a double team. 
You can’t put a good corner on Kincaid if Hopkins is on our team, which is my entire point. Kincaid is a brilliant pick if Beane has something else planned. 

Kincaid will out rebound the ball against most all “good corners.” 
 

and let the D try and cover Kincaid / when has that worked for

kelce. He’s too good 

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The problem is Davis is not good. Teams will just put a good corner on Kincaid because Davis never commands a double team. 
You can’t put a good corner on Kincaid if Hopkins is on our team, which is my entire point. Kincaid is a brilliant pick if Beane has something else planned. 

 

What the hell games are you watching?

[NewEra]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I think you can cross Hopkins off.  I don't think Beane sees Hopkins as that "one splash move that will get us over the top", and even there - he didn't trade picks for Von Miller.

 

Question:  What contending teams do you know of who are paying top dollar to their QB and not one, but two, WR?  Not teams that HAVE a great QB and two great WR like the Bengals, but teams that are PAYING them. 

That's the issue here.  We're paying Josh, we're paying Diggs, we got to try to draft a great receiver or pluck an undiscovered FA gem off the depth chart

 

 

This is why dude is sticking to hopkins.  Because he knows hopkins is off the table and this is his chance to complain about Beane and let everyone know how he’s superior as a gm

[MrEpsYtown]

5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

For the love of Bruce Smith, let's not say the same thing 10 times in this thread. Especially if it's griping. Make your point/criticism and move on.

 

To quote David Byrne, "Say something once, why say it again?"

 

I mentioned Tyler Steen like six times today. I lose track of what I post lol. I don't even know if it was in this thread!

[TheFunPolice]

I know almost nothing about college football and have never heard of this guy until tonight, but I was excited for the pick because of the whole "the league deserves what it gets for letting Kincaid play with Josh Allen" comment on NFL Network. 

 

So I'm happy with the pick! I would have also loved a 340+ pound DT but there is still time for that later in the draft!

 

 

[Billsguy]

If they drafted the next Travis Kelce, it's a home run. If they drafted anyone other than the next Kelce, it is a reach they can't afford. If the Bills had a top 10 offensive line this pick is fine, but they don't!

[PrimeTime101]

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The problem is Davis is not good. Teams will just put a good corner on Kincaid because Davis never commands a double team. 
You can’t put a good corner on Kincaid if Hopkins is on our team, which is my entire point. Kincaid is a brilliant pick if Beane has something else planned. 

Bolded is why you have 0 credibility. Its Diggs job to grab 2... I hope they put a good corner on Kincaid because he will block him out with his body work or throw high because he a good 50% catcher every time.   Sorry you hate Davis so much but that has nothing to do with what Kincaid brings to the table... a "good CB" will struggle vs Kincaid. 

 

When you dig yourself so deep into a hole, watch out... That topsoil may fall right on top of you.

[hondo in seattle]

10 minutes ago, RenoNVBillsfan said:

Why are there gripes about the Bills not taking an available WR in the 1st round?  Give Beane some credit, folks.  He added 2 WR's via FA that are better than any prospect he could have found at #27 and already experienced in the NFL.  If he didn't feel there was a significant upgrade on what he acquired by FA then I support that reasoning.  He also made some upgrades at the OL in FA, which again may have been better grades that what he saw available in the 1st round.

 

Where I think the Bills need to seriously consider is the best Center / OG prospect avaialable in Round 2 and to acquire dept at the DT position.  Pretty bleak at this point with depth at these positions.  

 

I agree...  We got two speedy wideouts in free agency and now a jumbo slot guy with good hands.  We needed a big target with good hands.  I won't say our receiver corps is elite but it's solid - certainly better than last year.  I just hope Gabe gets over the dropsies.  

 

My biggest offensive worry remains the OL.  The two new guards will help some but not enough.  I don't think the OL gets fixed this year.  

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

 

BTW, not for nothing but what do we do when Dorsey lines him up, always, at FB?

 

 

[Nephilim17]

1 hour ago, Billsguy said:

If they drafted the next Travis Kelce, it's a home run. If they drafted anyone other than the next Kelce, it is a reach they can't afford. If the Bills had a top 10 offensive line this pick is fine, but they don't!

Many think he has what it takes to be an elite receiving tight end. That's a win even if he's not as good as one of the top TEs of all time.

 

But you have to remember, drafting at OT or guard at 27 can still bust too, or just result in a decent but nothing special player. When smart people like Daniel J. of the NFL network, PFF (yes, I we like them again ) and Chris Simms say he's top-10 or top-15 talent, we should be happy and give Beane the benefit of any doubts we amateurs have. IMHO.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Nephilim17

[Charles Romes]

4 minutes ago, balln said:

Kincaid will out rebound the ball against most all “good corners.” 
 

and let the D try and cover Kincaid / when has that worked for

kelce. He’s too good 

The reason Kelce is unstoppable is that he can’t be jammed at the line. 

[Beck Water]

35 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

To the suggested 40 time - I had very little confidence in the 4.7-4.9 range I posted. That was just a best guess averaging out unofficial times I poked around and found online. So I absolutely don’t doubt you that he may be significantly faster. He certainly looks fast on tape. 👍👍

 

FWIW, Chris Simms, who may have watched a minute of film in his life, guessed him at 4.5.

 

Yo!  @Buffalo716!  Put your scouting hat on, watch some Dalton Kincaid highlights, and give us your best guess.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Billsguy said:

If they drafted the next Travis Kelce, it's a home run. If they drafted anyone other than the next Kelce, it is a reach they can't afford. If the Bills had a top 10 offensive line this pick is fine, but they don't!

He doesn’t have to be Kelce.  We need to win a Super Bowl with him for him to be a successful pick.  
 

He needs to convert key 3rd downs, be a red zone weapon and be Josh’s go-to scramble drill option that will be open when he’s not.  The most dependable ball catching machine.  
 

He doesn’t have to be the next best tight end ever.  

Edited April 28, 2023 by NewEra

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I mentioned Tyler Steen like six times today. I lose track of what I post lol. I don't even know if it was in this thread!

 

Same here.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, In Summary said:

The "win now at any cost" path can cause a team to sign expensive free agents and trade draft picks away while not continually feeding the young (and affordable) talent pipeline. Leads to a forced rebuild.  I'll take a year or two of sub-prime Kincaid if it helps the team stay viable during the Allen era. If he doesn't contribute this year it's on Dorsey or the quality of the OL.

We could trade for Hopkins without taking the “win at any cost” approach. 

 

It simply requires moving a piece to gain a piece. 
 

We could probably get back our 4th for Ed Oliver, clear 10M, have a manageable cap hit for DHop and only really need to figure out his cap hit next year in ‘24, with minimal dead cap into ‘25. 
 

However, if they’re not budging off pick 59, well… we kinda need that to draft Oliver’s replacement.