TSW Mock Draft 3.0 Poll - Who should the Bills take at #27

[gonzo1105]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:05 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. I'm not high on him for a 4-3 team. 

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Def a raw player and yes better in a 3-4. Just think with those options that were presented he was the best option. He's the only guy that wasn't the trade down scenario or Hopkins scenario that I have a first round grade on. I'm not overly as high on Van Ness as a lot of people. I think he will struggle to get to the passer in the NFL. 

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 4/26/2023 at 4:33 PM, NewEra said:

epenesa and Van Ness?  Ehhhhhh.  I don’t see that at all.  Van Ness is an athletic physical specimen.  Epenesa was always a sloth.  

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Same reel. Like right down to the blocked punts.

 

[Big Blitz]

I’m concerned with being able to move the ball on the ground against the Jets and Dolphins.

 

OT - if they don’t they clearly are banking on Spencer Brown.

 

 

If Hopkins trade and they’re set at OT…

 

at pick 34:  Downs, Hyatt, or Campbell 

 

Flowers - no.  Nope. 

[Dr. Who]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:14 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

My opinion on MLB is essentially this...

 

Either they are truly comfortable with the incumbents present and maybe draft late round competition, or the they are hiding their interest in Jack Campbell and taking him at 27. I think those are the two possible outcomes. If he is their guy, they aren't going to wait to see if he falls to round 2 or whatever. 

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I think that's plausible. As I am not as high on Campbell as you and many others here are and I want to employ the early picks at different positions, I hope they are playing it straight when they say they are comfortable with the incumbents.

[mrags]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:14 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

My opinion on MLB is essentially this...

 

Either they are truly comfortable with the incumbents present and maybe draft late round competition, or the they are hiding their interest in Jack Campbell and taking him at 27. I think those are the two possible outcomes. If he is their guy, they aren't going to wait to see if he falls to round 2 or whatever. 

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I could see them moving back from 27 to early 30s and targeting him there. 
 

personally I don’t want Campbell. Not a huge fan of him. But if he’s what they want and think he will be a good player then I guess I’ll back the decision. I personally don’t think he’ll be that good though. He’ll be a mix between Edmunds and Poz imo 

[DrDawkinstein]

The reality of it is, we've heard from multiple sources that there are only ~15 players with 1st round grades in this draft. That's pretty agreed upon across the board.

 

Picking at 27, no matter WHO we draft, will be a reach and a pick that lots of folks will be able to easily find fault with.

 

And if there is such low talent, it will guarantee that no one wants to move up so we can trade back.

 

We just need to prepare ourselves for a lackluster 1st round pick.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[MrEpsYtown]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:14 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Same reel. Like right down to the blocked punts.

 

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I definitely think they have similarities in play style and what they were asked to do at Iowa. The difference is the athletic qualities and projection at the next level. It's not even close there. 

 

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[DrDawkinstein]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:23 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I definitely think they have similarities in play style and what they were asked to do at Iowa. The difference is the athletic qualities and projection at the next level. It's not even close there. 

 

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If Van Ness was such a step up, he wouldnt be available at 27. Or even past 15.

 

 

[mrags]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:23 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

The reality of it is, we've heard from multiple sources that there are only ~15 players with 1st round grades in this draft. That's pretty agreed upon across the board.

 

Picking at 27, no matter WHO we draft, will be a reach and a pick that lots of folks will be able to easily find fault with.

 

And if there is such low talent, it will guarantee that no one wants to move up so we can trade back.

 

We just need to prepare ourselves for a lackluster 1st round pick.

 

 

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I think this right here is exactly why they should trade the 27 and 3rd round pick to Arizona for DHop and their 2nd and 4th round picks. Because the talent level isn’t there early in the draft. Get a sure thing with DHop and you don’t overpay/draft someone in the 1st that doesn’t have the first round talent. 
 

downside to that is, and it’s exactly why I think of this trade happens it happens on draft day. Is every team has different values on certain players.  Maybe the Bills would be ok making the trade but only if Xxx player is already gone. There’s a good chance that Az will make the trade anyway because they seem to want to dump DHop. So get something for him while you can. Or have to cut him and eat $8m for nothing. 

[NewEra]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:14 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Same reel. Like right down to the blocked punts.

 

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They are not

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:32 PM, mrags said:

I think this right here is exactly why they should trade the 27 and 3rd round pick to Arizona for DHop and their 2nd and 4th round picks. Because the talent level isn’t there early in the draft. Get a sure thing with DHop and you don’t overpay/draft someone in the 1st that doesn’t have the first round talent. 
 

downside to that is, and it’s exactly why I think of this trade happens it happens on draft day. Is every team has different values on certain players.  Maybe the Bills would be ok making the trade but only if Xxx player is already gone. There’s a good chance that Az will make the trade anyway because they seem to want to dump DHop. So get something for him while you can. Or have to cut him and eat $8m for nothing. 

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The other downside of that trade is by trading out of the 1st round, we lose the 5th year option on whoever we were going to draft. Could make a major difference in cap in a few years, and DHOP will likely be retired then.

[RyanC883]

take Hopkins, get IOL and DT/Edge in 2nd.  

[Dr. Who]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:35 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The other downside of that trade is by trading out of the 1st round, we lose the 5th year option on whoever we were going to draft. Could make a major difference in cap in a few years, and DHOP will likely be retired then.

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No one will care if DHop is a key ingredient in winning a SB. I'm guessing you are skeptical he can be that kind of difference maker.

[NewEra]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:24 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

If Van Ness was such a step up, he wouldnt be available at 27. Or even past 15.

 

 

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If he was an an epenesa clone, he wouldn’t be projected in the top 15 by anyone. 

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:36 PM, RyanC883 said:

take Hopkins, get IOL and DT/Edge in 2nd.  

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Why interior OL?  I don’t understand. We are trotting Spencer Brown out there to protect the greatest player in t franchise history.  It makes zero sense.

 

our IOL as presently constructed is much better off that our OT situation imo.  

[GunnerBill]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:14 PM, gonzo1105 said:

 

Def a raw player and yes better in a 3-4. Just think with those options that were presented he was the best option. He's the only guy that wasn't the trade down scenario or Hopkins scenario that I have a first round grade on. I'm not overly as high on Van Ness as a lot of people. I think he will struggle to get to the passer in the NFL. 

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Yea I see Van Ness more as a base end too, going to play the run well, play with some hustle, pick up 4 or so coverage / clean up sacks a year. Good player not sure about the ceiling. But I actually am a lot lower on Smith that the consensus. I see the physical potential but I don't like his tape. I'm not sure he understands what he is doing. If I was a 3-4 team I might take a punt just on the speed and explosiveness and hope I can teach him the rest. But if the speed and explosiveness was only good enough for 3 sacks a year in college on a dominant defense then unless the technique improves a lot I don't know how it is good enough for lots of sacks in the pros. I kinda see him a bit like Oweh who the Ravens took a couple of years ago. I hear Baltimore really like Smith and that makes sense to me too. 

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:37 PM, Dr. Who said:

No one will care if DHop is a key ingredient in winning a SB. I'm guessing you are skeptical he can be that kind of difference maker.

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True, good point. I dunno. Most years prior I've been saying he is by far the #1 WR in the league. He's fallen off a little as new blood comes in, but he could definitely help get us to the promise land.

[Dr. Who]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:43 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

True, good point. I dunno. Most years prior I've been saying he is by far the #1 WR in the league. He's fallen off a little as new blood comes in, but he could definitely help get us to the promise land.

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I don't think he's a sure thing. There is some risk, but he's a legitimate difference maker on offense that adds to Diggs as someone the D can't ignore. So all in all, I'm for gambling he has a few solid years left in him.

[MrEpsYtown]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:24 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

If Van Ness was such a step up, he wouldnt be available at 27. Or even past 15.

 

 

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Dan Campbell is just lying here to sound rugged and old school. It is a combination of both what they have done on film and athletic upside and measurables. It's a projection and that's why Tommie Frazier was such a dominant college player who could not sniff the league. 

 

Also I think it is highly unlikely he is available this late. 

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:48 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Dan Campbell is just lying here to sound rugged and old school. It is a combination of both what they have done on film and athletic upside and measurables. It's a projection and that's why Tommie Frazier was such a dominant college player who could not sniff the league. 

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Right. And since most of this discussion, regarding a message board's choice for the Bills in the 3rd version mock drafts, is just for ***** and giggles, I am obviously being a bit cheeky on purpose.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

  On 4/26/2023 at 5:23 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

The reality of it is, we've heard from multiple sources that there are only ~15 players with 1st round grades in this draft. That's pretty agreed upon across the board.

 

Picking at 27, no matter WHO we draft, will be a reach and a pick that lots of folks will be able to easily find fault with.

 

And if there is such low talent, it will guarantee that no one wants to move up so we can trade back.

 

We just need to prepare ourselves for a lackluster 1st round pick.

 

 

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 I’m already 110% prepared for them to waste a pick on Bryan Bresee. I just feel it coming