B-Man Posted February 5 Posted February 5 THAT’S BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER ABOUT IMPROVING EDUCATION. It was literally just Jimmy Carter repaying the teachers’ union for support.
LDD Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Yeah, it's pretty exciting to see what will happen. People have for too long relied on public schools to babysit their kids with no repercussions aimed at their children for poor performance, absenteeism, disrespectful behavior etc...let's slowly drain the money from public schools and funnel it to private ones that can kick their $hitbag kids to the curb when they suck. This is gonna be fun. By the time people realize this their local public schools will be in such bad shape and the entire system will be so far gone that we will have at least a generation or two of completely failed education in this country, which should supply the new oligarchs with enough dumb labor to thrive. With relaxed federal oversight local districts will only be beholden to whatever rules and regs their states can muster and this won't last for long. States will quickly realize that the entire building is on fire and that no amount of water will save it. The first to go down will be rural districts that are cash strapped anyways and have poverty issues with no real solutions for alternative education close by. At that point states will probably just float a remote program which will be fine for older kids. Good luck with primary aged kids. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 7 Posted February 7 24 minutes ago, LDD said: Yeah, it's pretty exciting to see what will happen. People have for too long relied on public schools to babysit their kids with no repercussions aimed at their children for poor performance, absenteeism, disrespectful behavior etc...let's slowly drain the money from public schools and funnel it to private ones that can kick their $hitbag kids to the curb when they suck. This is gonna be fun. By the time people realize this their local public schools will be in such bad shape and the entire system will be so far gone that we will have at least a generation or two of completely failed education in this country, which should supply the new oligarchs with enough dumb labor to thrive. With relaxed federal oversight local districts will only be beholden to whatever rules and regs their states can muster and this won't last for long. States will quickly realize that the entire building is on fire and that no amount of water will save it. The first to go down will be rural districts that are cash strapped anyways and have poverty issues with no real solutions for alternative education close by. At that point states will probably just float a remote program which will be fine for older kids. Good luck with primary aged kids. I feel like you think that Dept of Education is keeping the numbers from being worse, and I am curious if you say that from some point of observation or are you just venting?
LDD Posted February 7 Posted February 7 19 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I feel like you think that Dept of Education is keeping the numbers from being worse, and I am curious if you say that from some point of observation or are you just venting? Oh no, not really a vent. I'm actually highly interested to see what will happen. My kids are through and my point of reference is very close to the issue. The major functions of the dept. of ed. that I'm curious about are Title 1 funding and any actual enforcement of special ed laws/rules in states and then in districts. I'm pretty sure most people don't have a full grasp of what public schools do in a community. I think they're about to once the funding ripples hit along with the "my kid doesn't really have any binding federal protections". That is if they can actually scuttle the entire department. We'll see.
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 7 Posted February 7 23 minutes ago, LDD said: Oh no, not really a vent. I'm actually highly interested to see what will happen. My kids are through and my point of reference is very close to the issue. The major functions of the dept. of ed. that I'm curious about are Title 1 funding and any actual enforcement of special ed laws/rules in states and then in districts. I'm pretty sure most people don't have a full grasp of what public schools do in a community. I think they're about to once the funding ripples hit along with the "my kid doesn't really have any binding federal protections". That is if they can actually scuttle the entire department. We'll see. I love in Orlando and right now all the title one money is sucked up by some schools and the gap keeps growing in production and scores. The fed does not help the poor schools become more like the better schools, but makes them all the same kind of garbage. The Dept of Education protections can easily be reinforced through Congress but much of these "protections" are being used by dishonest parents to get their kids a leg up without having the true required condition.
LDD Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I love in Orlando and right now all the title one money is sucked up by some schools and the gap keeps growing in production and scores. The fed does not help the poor schools become more like the better schools, but makes them all the same kind of garbage. The Dept of Education protections can easily be reinforced through Congress but much of these "protections" are being used by dishonest parents to get their kids a leg up without having the true required condition. Yeah, my. point is that parents are the problem. The rarest human to find on earth (and one I most respect) is one that overcomes no/$hit parents to achieve. Most title 1 schools are keeping kids alive and giving them a safe place for 7.5 hrs per day, that's it. Education is way down the list when life is dangerous and terrible as a kid. IMO schools mostly fail because parents fail. Out in the country where I live...it's poor and there's plenty of bad parents but we hang on and have glimmers because of our Title 1 designation. The working poor abound and need every bit of edge they can get. Little do they know that they're voting for vouchers that will decimate their school and leave them holding the bag for another 15 grand in tuition at some "private" school. As it unfolds I'll be able to drift away into the woods and streams...can't wait.
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, LDD said: Yeah, my. point is that parents are the problem. The rarest human to find on earth (and one I most respect) is one that overcomes no/$hit parents to achieve. Most title 1 schools are keeping kids alive and giving them a safe place for 7.5 hrs per day, that's it. Education is way down the list when life is dangerous and terrible as a kid. IMO schools mostly fail because parents fail. Out in the country where I live...it's poor and there's plenty of bad parents but we hang on and have glimmers because of our Title 1 designation. The working poor abound and need every bit of edge they can get. Little do they know that they're voting for vouchers that will decimate their school and leave them holding the bag for another 15 grand in tuition at some "private" school. As it unfolds I'll be able to drift away into the woods and streams...can't wait. Why do you believe the vouchers won't cover the whole thing? The average public school spends more than the average private school, the vouchers should be more than enough. Areas of NY spend well over $20k a year and McQuaid is less than $18k for a superior education.
Roundybout Posted February 7 Posted February 7 4 hours ago, LDD said: let's slowly drain the money from public schools and funnel it to private ones that can kick their $hitbag kids to the curb when they suck. This is insane, you do realize this? 4 hours ago, LDD said: States will quickly realize that the entire building is on fire and that no amount of water will save it. The first to go down will be rural districts that are cash strapped anyways and have poverty issues with no real solutions for alternative education close by. At that point states will probably just float a remote program which will be fine for older kids. Good luck with primary aged kids. This would be catastrophic for America and the world. 4 hours ago, LDD said: By the time people realize this their local public schools will be in such bad shape and the entire system will be so far gone that we will have at least a generation or two of completely failed education in this country, which should supply the new oligarchs with enough dumb labor to thrive. We already have that. They vote MAGA.
LDD Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: This is insane, you do realize this? This would be catastrophic for America and the world. We already have that. They vote MAGA. Yes Yes Yes Agreed, what would you like me to do at this point but watch. I've been in the fight vs ignorance for my entire professional career. Here we are. If they do this all I can take solace in is the above. Thanks... 1
LDD Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Why do you believe the vouchers won't cover the whole thing? The average public school spends more than the average private school, the vouchers should be more than enough. Areas of NY spend well over $20k a year and McQuaid is less than $18k for a superior education. Not where I live. The private online schools are about 3x the student #. The brick and mortar ones within driving distance are about 30% more and offer NO, zero transportation. Plus, pay for everything (lunch, extracurriculars, uniforms, on and on) NY public schools are really, really good generally. They align their curriculum with their state standards and test that way. Most of them offer more college credits than the local jucos (exaggeration, but you know what I mean). The private schools in NY actually have to compete with the public ones, not just be exclusive.
daz28 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, LDD said: I've been in the fight vs ignorance for my entire professional career. Maga IS the fight for ignorance.
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, LDD said: Not where I live. The private online schools are about 3x the student #. The brick and mortar ones within driving distance are about 30% more and offer NO, zero transportation. Plus, pay for everything (lunch, extracurriculars, uniforms, on and on) NY public schools are really, really good generally. They align their curriculum with their state standards and test that way. Most of them offer more college credits than the local jucos (exaggeration, but you know what I mean). The private schools in NY actually have to compete with the public ones, not just be exclusive. May I ask where you live? These numbers don't make much sense.
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 9 Posted February 9 I have done a bit of research with some friends and I can confirm that the Florida Virtual School, our online school, is available to every student in the USA for whatever whatever is the "common cost of the area". Anyone saying otherwise is a liar. All FLVS courses are accepted by every college in the US as being rigorous. The only issue has been certain areas that give "vouchers" for somewhere in the area of $5000 when the local cost is $25k a student. That is not a voucher that is simply dishonest 1
LDD Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/7/2025 at 8:02 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: May I ask where you live? These numbers don't make much sense. PA
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I will start this by stating it is very much not from the horses mouth, it is at least 3rd had but a person I trust, currently a large portion of OCPS high schools are in corrective action from the federal government in regards to their math depts. The issue is that for all the federal money being spent and microscope the teachers are under the spread from the top 4 to the middle has grown substantially. OCPS is not sure how to respond to the growing criticism because they are following the "protocol" laid out from the federal government but is failing further. This might all end up being nothing because the tests during the middle of year aren't allowed to be counted as a direct grade so maybe kids aren't trying but this will be something to watch.
daz28 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 How is a voucher that much different than paying off student debt? Why do people who homeschool pay school taxes? Any anti-socialist here?
JDHillFan Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I understand that LoTT can be quite triggering to certain people so I’m including a link from the local NBC affiliate. https://www.whec.com/top-news/penfield-parents-clash-over-appropriateness-of-lgbt-book-the-rainbow-parade-for-elementary-students/ I’m going out on a limb here and saying this is NOT an 80/20 issue. Closer to 98/2 issue. The roundy’s of the world are on the 2 side. I know it was unnecessary to state that. 1
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