Education in America

[T master]

On 4/25/2023 at 8:43 AM, Big Blitz said:

I give it 10 years then it’s over.  
 

The real estate tax savings are going to be necessary anyway to compensate for your 15 percent interest rate - but housing costs that hold because the government continues to subsidize it.   

 

Democrats turned their back on manufacturing.  They’ll do the same with education.  

 

 

 

 

None of this is very surprising parents today would rather be their child friend than a parent and disapline is a thing of the past ! The downfall of our country started in the home not in the schools. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Look at the story of Dorothy Tillman. Got her PhD at 17.  

 

Never went to private school.  As they are failing.  Home schooled.   Then college through online portals.  

 

Public schools are a failure on every metric.  They have become social contagion centers more than actual education.  

 

https://abcnews.go.com/living/story/teenager-earns-doctoral-degree-age-17/?id=110129194

[The Frankish Reich]

17 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

An AP class where a student scores a 4 or 5 is an A everywhere in the country and that is on a 6.0 scale.  Most of my students have at least 4 AP level classes during there last two years of high school, my daughter will have one  this year during her freshman year,  three sophomore, and likely only AP core classes her last two years. All AP classes are standardized across the country.

So here's what I think is going on.

My kids' school (a private school by the way) is on a 4.3 (I think) max for a non-AP class. That's an A+

You don't get a 5 (or 5.3) for anything other than an A/A+ in an AP class. The AP exam (scored 1-5) is totally separate and taken for college credit. The score on those exams isn't factored into GPA. This is pretty normal among college prep high schools (I know from having gone thru the dreaded college app process for highly competitive colleges).

Even freshman/soph "Honors" classes are scored max 4.0/4.3.

There are no 6s. Why would there be 6s? I have never heard of that anywhere else.

 

Edited June 20 by The Frankish Reich

[Orlando Buffalo]

37 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So here's what I think is going on.

My kids' school (a private school by the way) is on a 4.3 (I think) max for a non-AP class. That's an A+

You don't get a 5 (or 5.3) for anything other than an A/A+ in an AP class. The AP exam (scored 1-5) is totally separate and taken for college credit. The score on those exams isn't factored into GPA. This is pretty normal among college prep high schools (I know from having gone thru the dreaded college app process for highly competitive colleges).

Even freshman/soph "Honors" classes are scored max 4.0/4.3.

There are no 6s. Why would there be 6s? I have never heard of that anywhere else.

 

The AP class will still have a grade along with it regardless of how you did on the exam. A kid could score a 2 on the exam but still would need a grade of a B or a C, which is on the 6.0 scale. The 6.0 scale has come about because  in FL some classes literally had 12 students who had perfect 4.0 GPA in a class, but one kid only took easy classes and another took all AP but all had to be labeled valedictorian. Now we can separate them, our valedictorian actually took enough AP course that she technically earned her College degree before graduating high school. But it does explain where the higher GPA comes from, thanks. BTW this is not my student but the same story

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/florida-girl-graduates-from-high-school-and-college-in-same-week/

 

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The AP class will still have a grade along with it regardless of how you did on the exam. A kid could score a 2 on the exam but still would need a grade of a B or a C, which is on the 6.0 scale. The 6.0 scale has come about because  in FL some classes literally had 12 students who had perfect 4.0 GPA in a class, but one kid only took easy classes and another took all AP but all had to be labeled valedictorian. Now we can separate them, our valedictorian actually took enough AP course that she technically earned her College degree before graduating high school. But it does explain where the higher GPA comes from, thanks. BTW this is not my student but the same story

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/florida-girl-graduates-from-high-school-and-college-in-same-week/

 

She earned 120 credits through AP courses?  Dang.  I had 19 credits going into college and graduated a semester early.

[Orlando Buffalo]

32 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

She earned 120 credits through AP courses?  Dang.  I had 19 credits going into college and graduated a semester early.

It is fairly typical now, at least at my school. My son finished his first year at FSU and is 36 credits from graduating now. He can't finish before December 2025 because he has a progression in his major but he will likely be a grad student before turning 21. Also my son was right around the 10% of his class for GPA so he had a lot of kids who start college as Sophomores or better. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

My wife's family is visiting Orlando from a town South of Boston. She told us that she is sending her two daughters to private schools this year despite buying a home in a high quality school district because of the illegal aliens. The illegal aliens population is more than 20% of the children in the school and each one takes far more resources than their parents provide. The daughters advanced classes have been basically cancelled, the extra circular activities are being restricted, and the behavior in the school has fallen to the point that her daughters don't feel safe. This is all on Kamala and Biden, and is shameful.

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[All_Pro_Bills]

On 6/20/2024 at 10:39 AM, T master said:

None of this is very surprising parents today would rather be their child friend than a parent and disapline is a thing of the past ! The downfall of our country started in the home not in the schools. 

My dad would say a 2 year stint in United State Marine Corp would straighten these kids out. 

[T master]

12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My dad would say a 2 year stint in United State Marine Corp would straighten these kids out. 

 

Your dad would be right say 10 yrs ago but now the Marine corp has mood patches  from what i've heard . If a recruit wears one you can't yell at them because they are sensitive on that day so it may not be as cut and dry a decision/transformation as it use to be .

 

A lot still goes back to the way the parents raise the kids today . The entire world has become more sensitive, add to it everyone gets a trophy as to not allow them to have hurt feelings and there you have it ... The New America .

Edited August 28 by T master

[Pokebball]

On 6/20/2024 at 8:39 AM, T master said:

None of this is very surprising parents today would rather be their child friend than a parent and disapline is a thing of the past ! The downfall of our country started in the home not in the schools. 

too many single parents

[T master]

15 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

too many single parents

 

Shouldn't change things that much there are many NFL players that were raised by single parents and when the kid started getting out of line the parent got tougher to send a message now they are to busy on FB, Tik Tok, Instagram, to look to what the "Professionals" think which is sensitivity !

 

My wife runs a day care for 22 years the state people that come in periodically to watch and see how she teaches the kids tell her flat out DO NOT use No, You can't do that, stop it, it is all geared toward asking the young under 4 yr old kids what they think, & then when brought to the parents attention that they need to help in certain instances that deem discipline the parents 99% of the time buy them a toy before they get home so they don't have to be a parent .

 

So i tend to disagree ! i here the stories of parents that are more in tune with social media than being a parent, & the state helps in no way what so ever !

 

My wife has had children of 4 yrs old when told that wasn't very nice now was it have the child stand right there look her in the face & piss their pants because they are mad at my wife .

 

So if that is the reaction of a kid weather they are raised by a single parent or the traditional 2 parents it's a lack of discipline plain and simple !! 

 

 

Edited August 28 by T master

[GMB 8888]

This thread…old men yelling about those darn disrespectful kids…

 

*****, this place is embarrassing.

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, GMB 8888 said:

This thread…old men yelling about those darn disrespectful kids…

 

*****, this place is embarrassing.

You ask for an opinion then just reply with insults. 

 

Nazi your not a troll that will say anything for a reply and adds absolutely nothing but division.  

[GMB 8888]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

You ask for an opinion then just reply with insults. 

 

Nazi you’re not a troll that will say anything for a reply and adds absolutely nothing but division.  

The term Nazi has lost all purpose, everyone seems to be one lol. 
 

and if I was referring to you I’ll @ you next time daddy.

[Pokebball]

20 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Shouldn't change things that much there are many NFL players that were raised by single parents and when the kid started getting out of line the parent got tougher to send a message now they are to busy on FB, Tik Tok, Instagram, to look to what the "Professionals" think which is sensitivity !

 

My wife runs a day care for 22 years the state people that come in periodically to watch and see how she teaches the kids tell her flat out DO NOT use No, You can't do that, stop it, it is all geared toward asking the young under 4 yr old kids what they think, & then when brought to the parents attention that they need to help in certain instances that deem discipline the parents 99% of the time buy them a toy before they get home so they don't have to be a parent .

 

So i tend to disagree ! i here the stories of parents that are more in tune with social media than being a parent, & the state helps in no way what so ever !

 

My wife has had children of 4 yrs old when told that wasn't very nice now was it have the child stand right there look her in the face & piss their pants because they are mad at my wife .

 

So if that is the reaction of a kid weather they are raised by a single parent or the traditional 2 parents it's a lack of discipline plain and simple !! 

 

 

I agree with many things you stated above. The impact of single parent families, however, is very well documented. It's a significant factor.

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 hours ago, GMB 8888 said:

This thread…old men yelling about those darn disrespectful kids…

 

*****, this place is embarrassing.

Could you tell us about the school you work at then? What opinion are we missing?

[The Frankish Reich]

On 7/12/2024 at 2:05 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

I just noticed this post.

And although it's late, I can't help but comment on perhaps the dumbest article that has ever been posted here.

The question: "why college students' average IQ has fallen 17 points since 1939."

The answer (which never appears anywhere in the article, except in very general terms): about 13% of Americans 25 to 34 had attended at least some college in 1940.

In 2009: 60%

 

You had to be on the smarter side of the bell curve to go to college 85 years ago. Today? You have to be able to fog a mirror.

 

Do you ever read the crap you post?  Or did it never occur to you that about 5X more kids go to college today than before WW2?

I say this because you post smart things on the football side, so I know you are capable of making some thoughtful statistical inferences. Why not apply that same thoughtfulness to the more serious matters of politics and policy?

Edited August 29 by The Frankish Reich

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I just noticed this post.

And although it's late, I can't help but comment on perhaps the dumbest article that has ever been posted here.

The question: "why college students' average IQ has fallen 17 points since 1939."

The answer (which never appears anywhere in the article): about 13% of Americans 25 to 34 had attended at least some college in 1940.

In 2009: 60%

 

Do you ever read the crap you post?  Or did it never occur to you that about 5X more kids go to college today than before WW2?

 

Ok?  We’re getting “dumber” people to go to school.  
 

All things being equal - the standard is the standard and since scores are down, IQ is down, those standards have lowered.  
 

The result of dumbing down education at the high school level - and it absolutely has.  
 

 

 

 

 

Take the Harris campaign and its core voters for example…..

 

 

I rest my case.  

 

We’re DUMBER