Cole Beasley tweets

[Sierra Foothills]

I would expect Cole Beasley to feel this way.

 

Here's a guy who defied all expectations for an NFL career to become one of the better slot receivers in the league.

 

He has that competitive spirit born of having a chip on his shoulder plus the confidence that comes with having made his mark.

 

While I'm skeptical of his claim, I respect his self-belief.

 

[ngbills]

Not happy with the wr room. Adding Beasley would not change that. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

    Anyone familiar with dorseys college career  did he use his tes alot?

 

 

 

I am not, but several weeks ago when this was a discussion topic a few folks pointed to his Miami days where he had Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow II in his arsenal. Apparently the Cam Newton teams he was associated with leaned on TE usage which is why some folks were speculating last year one would see more 12 personnel. The OJ Howard experiment was a non-starter, however, and so one is left wondering.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Yep. Some folks on this board don't believe Dorsey will employ 12 personnel. Don't see how anyone can know that. We haven't had two really good TEs on the team to make it feasible. 12 personnel should also be particularly effective in the RZ where the Bills struggled last year. Dorsey was predictable and Josh had a lot of turnovers in the RZ where he had previously been stellar, so I hope it happens. 

Josh said publicly he wants to get back to old concepts. I don’t think they’re going to try something new this year. Get a true slot WR that runs those get open quick routes Beasley ran.

 

Also the Bills redzone offense was pretty bad in the middle of the season falling to 22nd I believe. But by the end of the year they were back up to 10th. They fixed that. They remembered Knox.

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

48 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think some of you grossly underestimate how big of a change that would be.  NFL Offensive Coordinators are not known for just scrapping their entire offensive style and moving to a totally different offense design in an off season.  Usually the team just fires the OC and then goes and hires the OC that runs the system they want to change to who has proven success running that style of offense.

 

If we had a good 2nd TE, would we incorporate some more 2 TE sets...sure...but to expect its going to be a main focal point is a bit unrealistic.  

 

And I will point this out again to everyone so keen on running a heavy dose of 12 personnel...no team has ever won the SB building its offense off 12 personnel and 2 TE sets.

I assume you’re excluding H-back from the TE category to eliminate the Redskins from the definition…. 
 

Modern era I agree, although the Packers ran a lot of it as a base offense with Kuhn as H-back when they won with Rodgers, particularly down the stretch when Starks took over at RB. Granted, their TEs that year were more like TE/WR tweeners and it was a personnel grouping that McCarthy used a lot in previous years. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh said publicly he wants to get back to old concepts. I don’t think they’re going to try something new this year. Get a true slot WR that runs those get open quick routes Beasley ran.

 

Also the Bills redzone offense was pretty bad in the middle of the season falling to 22nd I believe. But by the end of the year they were back up to 10th. They fixed that. They remembered Knox.

 

 

Quite a few visits with TE on the Bills 30. I don't think that means they are just looking for a better backup to Knox. I expect at minimum increased use of 12 personnel in the RZ. You think the mid-season lull was fixed by remembering Knox. That is certainly a start. What wasn't fixed: the bad oline, the poor results with slot receiver necessitating picking Beasely up off the scrap heap, Davis dropping too many crucial passes possibly necessitating bringing in Brown off the scrap heap, sporadic use of the run game without integrating it into a coherent offensive attack, a seeming inability to use the pass catching abilities of Cook and Hines, etc. So, in sum, I am not comfortable simply running it back. Dorsey will have to show significant growth as OC for me and I personally surmise more use of 12 personnel would be a sound development.

 

Aside from adding another better than average TE, I wouldn't mind Josh Downs. He's going to be a superlative slot. Downs and Hopkins would be a home run, but then they still need to bring in more oline help because it is madness to count on Spencer Brown to be an anchor or even moderately competent, though naturally I hope he has a terrific bounce back year.

[BillsNutHawaii]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm glad he believes that. I also think we are going to see a lot fewer 3wr sets this year. 

What makes you think so (That we are going to see a lot fewer 3wr sets this year)?  

 

I hope you're right, I just have nothing to base it on.  Further, I hope our base formation is the 2 TE set, I would love that!  Anyway, thanks for any feedback you can provide about fewer 3wr sets....I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BillsNutHawaii said:

What makes you think so (That we are going to see a lot fewer 3wr sets this year)?  

 

I hope you're right, I just have nothing to base it on.  Further, I hope our base formation is the 2 TE set, I would love that!  Anyway, thanks for any feedback you can provide about fewer 3wr sets....I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion.

All this speculation about 12 personnel is just another term for the 2 TE set.

[JerseyBills]

He's right until Shakir steps up

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

WHAT?!  Hahahaha!!!!  Our offense was at its best when he was producing. No one can deny that. He isn’t wrong with what he said. 

and I said the reason we don’t have a slot receiver - ie him - is because he’s a loud mouth idiot that can’t keep a job. 
 

saying you showed up after doing nothing for 2 months and were the best guy for the job still is not exactly earning him a roster spot. It’s too easy to say “I busted my butt for two months for the opportunity and I think I made the most of it. I’m grateful for the opportunity. I hope I get to keep earning it all off season and next year”

[Malazan]

he made such a difference last year.. how could you doubt him

[RunTheBall]

I love Bease, the guy produced. I couldn’t care less about all this peripheral crap that so many posters get their panties in a bunch about.  I just wish he had more left in the tank. If he was still as good as he was, as we want him to be, and as he thinks he is he’d have been picked up by another team long ago. I think the reality is that he’s lost a lot of quickness/separation and he was only valuable to Buffalo because he know the offense and had familiarity with Josh. 

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I assume you’re excluding H-back from the TE category to eliminate the Redskins from the definition…. 
 

Modern era I agree, although the Packers ran a lot of it as a base offense with Kuhn as H-back when they won with Rodgers, particularly down the stretch when Starks took over at RB. Granted, their TEs that year were more like TE/WR tweeners and it was a personnel grouping that McCarthy used a lot in previous years. 

Yes, you assumed correctly, but didn’t do that to “eliminate” Redskins as they didn’t run the same type of offense that people are assuming we would convert to if we took a TE in the first.  

[oldmanfan]

He had his day and now he’s full of crap.

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said:

What makes you think so (That we are going to see a lot fewer 3wr sets this year)?  

 

I hope you're right, I just have nothing to base it on.  Further, I hope our base formation is the 2 TE set, I would love that!  Anyway, thanks for any feedback you can provide about fewer 3wr sets....I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion.

Not trying to throw shade at anyone here, but honestly there is nothing at all leading to this conclusion other than assumptions and speculation by posters if we were to draft a tight end in round 1.  

 

But just being honest, there is no evidence that we are going to run less 3 WR sets next year.  In fact you could argue it’s just the opposite.  Bills not only signed multiple new WRs already, they have explored interest in OBJ and Hopkins and shown a heavy interest in WRs early in this draft.  All of which points to interest in continuing to run a lot of 3+ WR sets.  
 

It’s possible they take a TE in round 1 or 2, it’s a weird draft and if a TE is BPA at those spots Beane has shown to stay true to his board.  And while that could lead to using some 2 TE sets in certain situations, it wouldn’t automatically indicate a fundamental shift in Dorsey’s offense and a big reduction to 3+ WR sets.  

[Mikie2times]

If we need 5 yards, Beasley is still the best WR on this team and it's a role we have not been able to fill since his departure. Not having this has made the offense more prone to three and outs, not as consistent. He was huge on the underneath slants, in routes, quick outs.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Quite a few visits with TE on the Bills 30. I don't think that means they are just looking for a better backup to Knox. I expect at minimum increased use of 12 personnel in the RZ. You think the mid-season lull was fixed by remembering Knox. That is certainly a start. What wasn't fixed: the bad oline, the poor results with slot receiver necessitating picking Beasely up off the scrap heap, Davis dropping too many crucial passes possibly necessitating bringing in Brown off the scrap heap, sporadic use of the run game without integrating it into a coherent offensive attack, a seeming inability to use the pass catching abilities of Cook and Hines, etc. So, in sum, I am not comfortable simply running it back. Dorsey will have to show significant growth as OC for me and I personally surmise more use of 12 personnel would be a sound development.

 

Aside from adding another better than average TE, I wouldn't mind Josh Downs. He's going to be a superlative slot. Downs and Hopkins would be a home run, but then they still need to bring in more oline help because it is madness to count on Spencer Brown to be an anchor or even moderately competent, though naturally I hope he has a terrific bounce back year.

It’s a deep TE draft. I do expect 1 drafted. I suspect the visits for Washington and Musgrave were medical checks. Both possible day 2 picks. I don’t think they would change their offense for a rookie TE. Might be something for the future if they can develop another one. Probably some 12 mixed in, sure.

If they can find another WR that can play with Diggs and Davis in 11 personnel it’ll help make everything work better. Hopefully they find one. Might be Hopkins.

 

Bills struggles between the 20s the 2nd half of the season was due to many things. Let’s start with the QB tearing his UCL. 

 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, gobills404 said:

If we ever need someone to catch the ball 4 yards downfield and then fall down before getting tackled Beane will be sure to give him a call

 
A Scott Chandler type!

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Not trying to throw shade at anyone here, but honestly there is nothing at all leading to this conclusion other than assumptions and speculation by posters if we were to draft a tight end in round 1.  

 

But just being honest, there is no evidence that we are going to run less 3 WR sets next year.  In fact you could argue it’s just the opposite.  Bills not only signed multiple new WRs already, they have explored interest in OBJ and Hopkins and shown a heavy interest in WRs early in this draft.  All of which points to interest in continuing to run a lot of 3+ WR sets.  
 

It’s possible they take a TE in round 1 or 2, it’s a weird draft and if a TE is BPA at those spots Beane has shown to stay true to his board.  And while that could lead to using some 2 TE sets in certain situations, it wouldn’t automatically indicate a fundamental shift in Dorsey’s offense and a big reduction to 3+ WR sets.  

If we use Beane’s past drafts as a guide, if he takes a BPA TE in the 1st, he may take another BPA TE in the 2nd.

Edited April 25, 2023 by BobbyC81
Fix hokey merging.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Not happy with the wr room. Adding Beasley would not change that. 

Adding Beasley isn’t where I was going with this post. Our slot options are bad at the moment. Beasley wouldn’t change that. We need someone that can replace those routes he ran. He’s not currently on the roster.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think some of you grossly underestimate how big of a change that would be.  NFL Offensive Coordinators are not known for just scrapping their entire offensive style and moving to a totally different offense design in an off season.  Usually the team just fires the OC and then goes and hires the OC that runs the system they want to change to who has proven success running that style of offense.

 

If we had a good 2nd TE, would we incorporate some more 2 TE sets...sure...but to expect its going to be a main focal point is a bit unrealistic.  

 

And I will point this out again to everyone so keen on running a heavy dose of 12 personnel...no team has ever won the SB building its offense off 12 personnel and 2 TE sets.

I would argue the Ravens did it in 2013 with mostly heavy 12 personnel with Flacco.

 

I believe NE patriots did run a lot of 12 personnel on one of their runs to the SB. 

 

Just because IT has not been done a lot, does not mean it can't be done. Dual TE formations with talented te's is not a bad option when you struggle at the slot position. 

 

I am not saying we should do it... but I am saying If i dug into history, I believe I would find plenty of teams that did it.