Peter King/FMIA/PFT 1st Round Mock Draft

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

The same was said about Zay Jones.. who also was from a Carolina school.. not the same, but yeah.  Elite anything is nothing until it’s in the NFL and shows that it’s a great asset along with all the other intangibles being at very least, REALLY good.  Not saying he won’t be good or anything if that nature, but 1 skill does not define an NFL player.

 

   I truly feel in the case of Zay Jones he bought into all his draft hype as being the most NFL ready WR in his class and adding the questions surrounding Allen as a viable starting QB.  Zay Jones didn't put in the effort to adjust to the pro game because in his mind he played at a pro level already and Josh needed to up his game.   

 

   Any wr drafted wants to go to a team with solid QB play.  Don't think there are any draf eligible wrs that wouldn't jump at the chance to begin their NFL careers with Allen and would put out maximum effort to make the team.  

 

    Zay Jones already had his sense of entitlement and his father chiming in as well to question Allens QB abilities just cemented that entitlement in Zays mind.  

 

  It's really a matter of how Downs puts in the effort to transition onto the NFL.  Perhaps the lack of visits will motivate Downs and that would be a better start than any 'entitled feeling' rookie.

 

 

   

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

While the Bills haven't had any 1st round busts in the McBeane regime........the only one of them to play to their reputation and have a big impact as a rookie was Tre White.   So I think we are accustomed to modest rookie season expectations by now.   Aaron Quinn likes to hear himself talk though so it's just a wind-bag being a wind-bag.

Tre was not a Beane pick.  At best it’s the Mc regime and don’t forget the guy taken at the Bills original slot was a slow starter, but turned out ok lol.

[hondo in seattle]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/mock-drafts.php

 

King is 35th in accuracy

 

Which puts him the top quartile of self-appointed draft experts.  Pretty good, actually.  

  

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

 

Which puts him the top quartile of self-appointed draft experts.  Pretty good, actually.  

  

Yeah i think its really hard to be accurate. I think Albert Breer got like 8 matches last year which is absurd. Everyone else had like 3

[Pirate Angel]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

It is very possible the Bills will Franchise Tag Gabe and then could find a trading partner...like they did with Peerless Price several years ago. 

Peerless was fresh off a 1000+ yard season and was viewed as a possible #1 receiver.

[offyourocker]

Josh Down highlights are more impressive than Flowers to me

[Alphadawg7]

11 hours ago, CNYfan said:

I have always felt Downs was a rarely mentioned possibility.  

 

While I don't think he will go in the first round, I do think Downs could end up being the best WR to come out of this draft when we look back in 3-5 years.  27 feels early for him, but I also do not think he reaches us in the 2nd either.  

 

For the record, I am think Shakir has good potential and was high on him last draft.  However, like I have said in other threads, despite being optimistic about Shakir, it would be hard to not get excited about someone as electric as Downs.  

[Dopey]

10 hours ago, whorlnut said:

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player. 

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I’ll stop here. 

[John from Riverside]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’ll be signed this summer. Going no where. He’s their WR 2/3 of the now and future.

Do you have some kind of inside info that we need to know about?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Do you have some kind of inside info that we need to know about?

No lol. Just good educated guesses. Davis is this years Knox. Oliver is this years Edmunds.

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

 

I'm not really buying into the Gabe injury excuse. He was plenty heathly for most of the season: especially down the stretch. He simply didn't produce as well as many fans expected. 

 

Davis arguably has one of the best QBs throwing him the ball. One of the best QBs extending plays. Ask yourself how much better does Allen make Davis? What kind of WR would he be with an average QB? I'd argue Allen makes Davis look better than he is. 

 

One stat that really rears its ugly head is Gabe's catch rate and drops. His catch ratio was 51% and his drop rate was 10%  You just can't spin that into goodness. At best, he's a mediocre number two with an elite QB padding his stats. Imho, he's as replaceable as it gets.

 

No way is he worth a 15 million plus contract. Imho, the prudent strategic move would be to trade him, let him walk, sign Dhop, or draft a promising WR saving millions on a rookie contract. 

 

 

The fact that you're "not really buying into the Gabe injury excuse," says a lot more about what you want to believe than it does about Gabe. Acknowledging Gabe's injury as a factor would hurt your narrative, so you're not buying in. 

 

He missed a game. Then had one of his least productive games the next week and his absolute least productive game the week after that.

 

Whether or not you find it convenient to admit, that injury absolutely hurt his productivity.

 

And as has been said again and again (and again), you don't need to use spin to help explain his catch percentage. He has one of the longest average target distance in the league. And the longer the passes that come to you are, no matter who you are, the lower a percentage you're likely to catch. That's what happens with long passes. They're harder to complete. That's simply a fact. Plus another fact inconvenient for your argument, which is that reception percentage is NOT a receiver stat. It's a quarterback and receiver stat. With the defense also making a significant contribution.

 

You're probably right that he's not worth $15M right now. The general consensus right now is around $12 or $13M. That's what he's worth, most likely.

 

He was a #2. That's what he was. Certainly not an elite or great one. But he's a #2. You folks pretending he's a #3 or a #4 are kidding yourselves. An average #2? Yeah, for last year that's probably fair.

 

Does that mean we shouldn't try to improve our WR situation? Hell, no. We should improve ourselves at every position, certainly including WR.

 

Again, I'd love to get Josh Downs in the draft if we can trade down to do it. Or Flowers or Addison at #27 if possible.

 

 

[JoPoy88]

8 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

   I truly feel in the case of Zay Jones he bought into all his draft hype as being the most NFL ready WR in his class and adding the questions surrounding Allen as a viable starting QB.  Zay Jones didn't put in the effort to adjust to the pro game because in his mind he played at a pro level already and Josh needed to up his game.   

 

   Any wr drafted wants to go to a team with solid QB play.  Don't think there are any draf eligible wrs that wouldn't jump at the chance to begin their NFL careers with Allen and would put out maximum effort to make the team.  

 

    Zay Jones already had his sense of entitlement and his father chiming in as well to question Allens QB abilities just cemented that entitlement in Zays mind.  

 

  It's really a matter of how Downs puts in the effort to transition onto the NFL.  Perhaps the lack of visits will motivate Downs and that would be a better start than any 'entitled feeling' rookie.

 

 

   

If he really is that entitled he would have washed out of the league already. He didn’t. He grinded it out and became a decent weapon for Vegas and Jax.

 

It’s entirely possible though he had a bad attitude here and woke up once he was gone. 

 

 

[HappyDays]

I just can't excited about a slot only WR in the 1st round. It's an easy role to fill. The Chiefs got JuJu Smith-Schuster for basically $4 million. We got Beasley for $7.5 million AAV in his prime, and he was easily the best slot only WR in the league at his best. I wouldn't take Beasley even in his prime for a 1st round pick. He played a valuable role but not THAT valuable. That's the ceiling of what Downs could give us. No way I'm happy with that pick.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I just can't excited about a slot only WR in the 1st round. It's an easy role to fill. The Chiefs got JuJu Smith-Schuster for basically $4 million. We got Beasley for $7.5 million AAV in his prime, and he was easily the best slot only WR in the league at his best. I wouldn't take Beasley even in his prime for a 1st round pick. He played a valuable role but not THAT valuable. That's the ceiling of what Downs could give us. No way I'm happy with that pick.

yeah I agree. If they trade down out of 27 and pick him up that’s fine. It’s a need. And his numbers are impressive.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

While the Bills haven't had any 1st round busts in the McBeane regime........the only one of them to play to their reputation and have a big impact as a rookie was Tre White.   So I think we are accustomed to modest rookie season expectations by now.   Aaron Quinn likes to hear himself talk though so it's just a wind-bag being a wind-bag.

 

 

Rousseau and Edmunds both probably lived up to their draft status as rookies. Neither ripped up the league but both had very good rookie years.

 

 

[HappyDays]

Oh jeez I just looked at the full mock, he has Luke Musgrave going 28th overall?? I don't know if that's so crazy that it must be possible, or if it's just crazy. I guess after Payton Turner and Cole Strange anything is possible.

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s possible but not likely.

 

Straight from the horses mouth:

 

Well... Then why in the hell was there such an uproar about drafting Breece Hall with the Bills pick last year?? 🙄

[BillsFanForever19]

Absolute insanity to draft Josh Downs with Quentin Johnston and Jalin Hyatt.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I just don't see a slot WR at 27, we have Shakir and just picked up 2 in FA and no chance he's the 27th best player in this draft class. I still think OL will be the selection, Torrence, Avila or 1 of the RT's imo.

 

[newcam2012]

55 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The fact that you're "not really buying into the Gabe injury excuse," says a lot more about what you want to believe than it does about Gabe. Acknowledging Gabe's injury as a factor would hurt your narrative, so you're not buying in. 

 

He missed a game. Then had one of his least productive games the next week and his absolute least productive game the week after that.

 

Whether or not you find it convenient to admit, that injury absolutely hurt his productivity.

 

And as has been said again and again (and again), you don't need to use spin to help explain his catch percentage. He has one of the longest average target distance in the league. And the longer the passes that come to you are, no matter who you are, the lower a percentage you're likely to catch. That's what happens with long passes. They're harder to complete. That's simply a fact. Plus another fact inconvenient for your argument, which is that reception percentage is NOT a receiver stat. It's a quarterback and receiver stat. With the defense also making a significant contribution.

 

You're probably right that he's not worth $15M right now. The general consensus right now is around $12 or $13M. That's what he's worth, most likely.

 

He was a #2. That's what he was. Certainly not an elite or great one. But he's a #2. You folks pretending he's a #3 or a #4 are kidding yourselves. An average #2? Yeah, for last year that's probably fair.

 

Does that mean we shouldn't try to improve our WR situation? Hell, no. We should improve ourselves at every position, certainly including WR.

 

Again, I'd love to get Josh Downs in the draft if we can trade down to do it. Or Flowers or Addison at #27 if possible.

 

 

Well said Thurman.