DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Hey, I wasn't the one triggered by a new topic on a message board. Would be good if you took your own advice.

 

you don't no when to stop do you. 

[Rubes]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

you don't no when to stop do you. 

Nope, I guess I don’t “no”!

[DCofNC]

Based on the history of returns for 2nd round picks, yep.  The biggest problem is the money.  If they will eat money or he will take less, it would be great to have him.  

[Mister Defense]

20 hours ago, khlax3 said:

honestly I’m not as down on the line as most are. I think we upgraded at guard over saffold. Morse and Dawkins are good. Bates is average but it was also his first year as a starter and I am expecting brown to be better actually having an offseason this year. Allen is part of the reason they don’t always look great as well. He holds the ball to make the big play too often rather than checking it down. If he checked down more the line would look better. 

 

I actually would be surprised if the bills draft a lineman in the first 3 rounds. Their starters are set (Beane isn’t benching brown this year). They already have young guys with upside in Doyle and Brown. Proven starter with edwards and Quesenberry as backups and a guy they obviously like in Boettger. 

 

Sounds like the same faulty Bills' philosophy when it comes to their O-Line--these guys have potential, so let's stick with them no matter how they actually play: see Bates and Brown..., 'and we have this nice depth too with these cast offs. We can coach them all up, make do; we have such a great QB and he will continue to mask this weakness with his big arm and running ability'.

 

But this has not played out well for the Bills, and clearly, dramatically, undervalues how vital a good/great offensive line is to a championship team.

 

Yes, part of the problem is the lack of short game in the offense, but I don't believe that is Allen's fault--he did just fine with that when he had Beasley, a high level slot receiver, and a coordinator knowing how important it was to use most of the field. 

 

But more often than not, it seemed Josh was not just under undue pressure while waiting for the big play down field to develop, but often immediately running for his life.  Yes, he made a lot of those plays, but if he is almost always in that position his teams will never be championship caliber. Never. A lesser QB with this line?  Could be one of the weakest NFL teams. 

 

Time to give Josh Allen and the Bills' offense the foundation in O-line talent that has been the most glaring weakness of the Beane era, which has been excellent overall.  Most rankings of  offensive line performance for the 2022 season has the Bills very low, such as 25th by pro football network and 28th by lineups.com.

 

The Bills cannot compete at the high level they have been working at the last 3-4 years unless this weakness is addressed in a real way, finally. 

 

I believe (or hope?) that will happen in this year's draft and continues into the off season.

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Mister Defense

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Sounds like the same faulty Bills' philosophy when it comes to their O-Line--these guys have potential, so let's stick with them no matter how they actually play: see Bates and Brown..., 'and we have this nice depth too with these cast offs. We can coach them all up, make do; we have such a great QB and he will continue to mask this weakness with his big arm and running ability'.

 

But this has not played out well for the Bills, and clearly, dramatically, undervalues how vital a good/great offensive line is to a championship team.

 

Yes, part of the problem is the lack of short game in the offense, but I don't believe that is Allen's fault--he did just fine with that when he had Beasley, a high level slot receiver, and a coordinator knowing how important it was to use most of the field. 

 

But more often than not, it seemed Josh was not just under undue pressure while waiting for the big play down field to develop, but often immediately running for his life.  Yes, he made a lot of those plays, but if he is almost always in that position his teams will never be championship caliber. Never. A lesser QB with this line?  Could be one of the weakest NFL teams. 

 

Time to give Josh Allen and the Bills' offense the foundation in O-line talent that has been the most glaring weakness of the Beane era, which has been excellent overall.  Most rankings of  offensive line performance for the 2022 season has the Bills very low, such as 25th by pro football network and 28th by lineups.com.

 

The Bills cannot compete at the high level they have been working at the last 3-4 years unless this weakness is addressed in a real way, finally. 

 

I believe (or hope?) that will happen in this year's draft and continues into the off season.

 

 

 

Completely agree, just ironic that it has to be Mister Defense to point this out.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Dr. Who

[Solomon Grundy]

Honestly, NO!! I know that the Cardinals HAVE to trade him. If there is a player there that I value, like one of the TEs, then I'm taking him. After that pick, I'm calling Arizona and asking them if they're ready to play ball

[TampaBillsJunkie]

If this happens, my guess is that it's after the first round. Beane will see how the board falls. If the stud OL/LB/TE that they are targeting drops then he takes that player and makes the trade for a second. If a stud WR drops, he may pick up the WR and pass on the deal or offer a 3rd, knowing there are not a lot of suitors.

[davetra]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not a replacement pick. That's just a nice way of spinning things.

 

It's an entirely different pick. If we don't trade for DHop away, we would have TWO 3rd rounders. That's a LOT better than one.

 

This is simply a way to try to spin something people want. It's like people who win some money at the casino saying, "Hey, why not bet it, it's just house money." 

 

And it's not. That is a logical fallacy. Once you win it, it's not their money anymore. Assuming we will get a 3rd rounder for Edmunds, that's not a house pick. It's our pick. It's an asset that we can use to pick a player. If we trade it away, we won't have it anymore, we will have lost it, and it will not be replaced.

I totally get that! That's why I used the word "Almost". lol   Does not matter anyway, I forgot that would be for next year.  I was just saying that If we got the pick this year, it would help ease the blow of losing a second.  we would get D Hop and still have 6 picks.  Not even by any means, but I like getting a proven player, knowing he might be what we need for THIS YEAR to get over the hump.  

3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

That 3rd is in the 2024 draft.

  forgot that minor detail.  

[Rico]

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

 

Not sure if you know this or not but Watkins started a Flat Earther Cult.  They're going to travel until they reach the end of the Earth and then take a selfie to prove all of us wrong.

[TheBrownBear]

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

[bigduke6]

not giving up more than a 3rd rounder for DHop with that contract.   youre doing Zona a favor just taking his contract away from them,  let alone give them picks.

im betting nobody bites on trading for DHop and Zona just ends up releasing him.   contract is gone,  then teams with tight caps can have him at a discount.

[BigBadBills]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

Lol huh? Wrong side of 30? Dude is literally only 30 years old. How can he be on the wrong side?

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

A great player? You're right, no thanks

[TheBrownBear]

19 hours ago, Augie said:

 

A Zaxby’s opened about a mile from us maybe 5 years ago. I eat out A LOT (like lunch daily) yet I’ve never been in any Zaxby’s, even the one right up the road. Anyone have opinions on Zaxby’s?  I guess I should try it.  🤷‍♂️

 

I’ve never even heard of Raising Cane’s, so I guess they are not around here. 

We don't have Zaxby's out here in California, but I've traveled in the South a handful of times the past few years and always find my way to a Zaxby's.  They make a good fried chicken sandwich and the french fries were good as well.  I don't eat much fast/junk food, but Zaxby's gets a thumbs up from me when I want to cheat.

[gflande1]

I voted no. I would like someone younger like Jerry Jeudy. I would still like to see one drafted as well. Jeudy plus Davis or draft pick as our future after Diggs moves on. 

[TheBrownBear]

6 minutes ago, BigBadBills said:

Lol huh? Wrong side of 30? Dude is literally only 30 years old. How can he be on the wrong side?

Sorry, I thought we were all familiar with the "wrong side" idiom.  It means you've officially reached that age (in Hopkins' case - 30 years of age).  When it comes to sports like football and basketball, players tend to decline as they age into their 30s.

[K D]

Dream scenario=

Bills trade back from 27 to the 2nd and get Campbell and a 3rd. Trade the 3rd for DHop and get him to restructure. Win the super bowl

[Just in Atlanta]

I voted yes*

 

*I reserve the right to change it to no if he's no longer good.**

 

**Or if his contract is bad.

 

 

[KingBoots8]

46 minutes ago, Rico said:

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

Yeah, well, I know for a fact Sammy is the best decoy in the game… 😂