Crime vs racism

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I heard a factoid today that almost 85% of black/white violent crime in the us is blacks committing violent crime against whites. 85% 85
 

In a systemically racist universe this sounds impossible ? Or is there some sanctioned excuse to explain this? 

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I heard a factoid today that almost 85% of black/white violent crime in the us is blacks committing violent crime against whites. 85% 85
 

In a systemically racist universe this sounds impossible ? Or is there some sanctioned excuse to explain this? 

Imagine starting a new thread based entirely on a claim with no citation to that claim. 
 

There are many reasons why crime might be higher in different ethnic communities, but how can you expect a good faith debate by throwing out the claim you did without citing to evidence? How can anyone actually respond to it?

[Motorin']

White people are 3.5 times more likely to be violently victimized by a white person than by a black person. 

 

1,700,000 white on white violent crimes per year vs 480,000 violent crimes by black people against white people. 

 

White on white violent crime is the majority of all violent crime, and hands down the most of any race based crime. 

 

Where's the outrage about white on white crime? 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Motorin'

[Buffarukus]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

White people are 3.5 times more likely to be violently victimized by a white person than by a black person. 

 

1,700,000 white on white violent crimes per year vs 480,000 violent crimes by black people against white people. 

 

White on white violent crime is the majority of all violent crime, and hands down the most of any race based crime. 

 

Where's the outrage about white on white crime? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

are you using TOTAL population numbers? im not sure what this is saying motor. its a given white people are going to be more violent...towards everyone including whites when they are a majority. is there a place on the planet this is not true?

 

if we drill in deeper and are looking at men. the most likely cause of violence. we are talking less then 7%. 3.5 less likely becomes quite a bit different.

 

all sorts of interesting ways to manipulate data but goose is right. its all meaningless unless given citation to analyze to see what people are doing with the data.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Buffarukus

[Joe Ferguson forever]

here's a citation.  ;looks vaguely similar to this trolling post on a black book site:

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9578-blacks-commit-60-of-all-violent-crime-—-but-only-14-of-the-population/

new posting instructions from a white supremacist group?

[aristocrat]

 

[Precision]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

here's a citation.  ;looks vaguely similar to this trolling post on a black book site:

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9578-blacks-commit-60-of-all-violent-crime-—-but-only-14-of-the-population/

new posting instructions from a white supremacist group?

Would love to see statistics from a credible source, can you post them?

[LeviF]

8 hours ago, Motorin' said:

I don't know what per capita means

 

 

 

Fixed your post for you

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Precision said:

Would love to see statistics from a credible source, can you post them?

i haven't seen anything like what the op stated.  it's incumbent on him.  interesting that the meme posted also has the source obscured

[Tommy Callahan]

8 hours ago, Motorin' said:

White people are 3.5 times more likely to be violently victimized by a white person than by a black person. 

 

1,700,000 white on white violent crimes per year vs 480,000 violent crimes by black people against white people. 

 

White on white violent crime is the majority of all violent crime, and hands down the most of any race based crime. 

 

Where's the outrage about white on white crime? 

 

 

 

 

 

you left out black on black crime. what are those numbers?

 

Or do those victims not figure in that math?

 

why?

 

cause most crime is within the same races. its usually white vs white. black vs black. Latino vs Latino

 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

i found this but not directly comparable and old data.  would suggest op is FOS

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/blacks-and-whites-victims-and-offenders-aggressive-crime-us-myths

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

i found this but not directly comparable and old data.  would suggest op is FOS

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/blacks-and-whites-victims-and-offenders-aggressive-crime-us-myths

"Episodes of criminal aggression initiated by white offenders accounted for slightly more than 73 percent of all single-offender episodes of aggressive crime, and episodes initiated by black offenders accounted for approximately 27 percent, so that white-perpetrated criminal aggression exceeded black-initiated criminal aggression at a ratio of 2.7 to 1 " 

"Blacks were represented among offenders in aggressive crime slightly more than twice their representation in the Nation's population. It was more than five times as likely that a white victim was attacked by a white offender than by a black offender and nearly seven times as likely that a black victim was attacked by a black offender. When gender and age were considered interactively with race, black males in adolescence and adulthood were at very high risk both for homicide offending and for victimization in homicide, such that black males aged 18-24 were at a risk level for offending nearly 28 times greater and for victimization nearly 17 times greater than their representation in the national population."

 

Thos are some crazy stats.

While the media and left focuses on outlier gun crime.

 

[LeviF]

A 2011 report by the Obama admin found that between 1980 and 2008, black homicide offenders were more than 7x as numerous per capita as white homicide offenders. Meanwhile 84% of white homicide victims were killed by other whites and 93% of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks.

 

The majority of violent crime is intraracial, but whites bear the victimization burden of interracial crime (particularly homicides) at a higher rate.

 

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/homicide-trends-united-states-1980-2008

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

It was more than five times as likely that a white victim was attacked by a white offender

You conveniently ignored this, that is in direct contradiction to the op.  An entire thread started on an apparent lie...sound familiar?  but yes, the stats are inexcusable is the same way the disenfranchised traitors on Jan 6 actions were inexcusable.  Anger and resentment lead to violence.

Edited April 21, 2023 by redtail hawk

[LeviF]

The NCVS isn't perfect but is an important add-on in the conversation.

 

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Based on victims’ perceptions, about 1.7 million violent incidents in 2019 were committed against white persons by offenders who were white, 346,260 violent incidents were committed against black persons by offenders who were black, and 334,600 violent incidents were committed against Hispanic persons by offenders who were Hispanic (table 15). There were 5.3 times as many violent incidents committed by black offenders against white victims (472,570) as were committed by white offenders against black victims (89,980)

 

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

You conveniently ignored this, that is in direct contradiction to the op.  An entire thread started on an apparent lie...sound familiar?

No, It put it in there. quoted right from your source.  you're just looking for some reason to argue.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Chris farley

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

You conveniently ignored this, that is in direct contradiction to the op.  

 

No, it's not. The OP specified interracial crime splits.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, LeviF said:

 

No, it's not. The OP specified interracial crime splits.

and has yet to produce a reference...

[Precision]

13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

i haven't seen anything like what the op stated.  it's incumbent on him.  interesting that the meme posted also has the source obscured

I don't believe his numbers, but you are the one that called them into doubt.  If you are saying the numbers are wrong, it is incumbent on you to prove they are incorrect.  He already provided his data.

[Tommy Callahan]

10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

"Episodes of criminal aggression initiated by white offenders accounted for slightly more than 73 percent of all single-offender episodes of aggressive crime, and episodes initiated by black offenders accounted for approximately 27 percent, so that white-perpetrated criminal aggression exceeded black-initiated criminal aggression at a ratio of 2.7 to 1 " 

"Blacks were represented among offenders in aggressive crime slightly more than twice their representation in the Nation's population. It was more than five times as likely that a white victim was attacked by a white offender than by a black offender and nearly seven times as likely that a black victim was attacked by a black offender. When gender and age were considered interactively with race, black males in adolescence and adulthood were at very high risk both for homicide offending and for victimization in homicide, such that black males aged 18-24 were at a risk level for offending nearly 28 times greater and for victimization nearly 17 times greater than their representation in the national population."

 

Thos are some crazy stats.

While the media and left focuses on outlier gun crime.

 

you downvoted quotes from the link you provided?

 

Blown away.