GQP - child labor to solve labor shortage

[BillStime]

Never - ever - ever - vote red.

 

Look at these fn communists.

 

[Andy1]

This is f’d up. If they need labor, pay a living wage so adults will take your lousy jobs.

[T master]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Never - ever - ever - vote red.

 

Look at these fn communists.

 

 

 

I use to go to work on farms when i was a kid to make money picking fruit, bailing hay, pitching horse *****, or what ever because i wanted to make money & my parents instilled a strong work ethic in me .

 

But all these snow flakes & their sensitive lazy ass ways that feel they should be entitled rather than teach their kids to go out & work for what they want see this as some kind of child abuse then we wonder why this country has out sourced so much manufacturing jobs to China .

 

I don't agree with young people being aloud to serve alcohol or do any kind of labor that can hurt them physically but learning that you need to work to get what you want in life doesn't bother me in the least matter of fact it does much more good than harm unless of course you feel that you are a American dammit & i am entitled to all the free bees the gov't can give me .

 

Then the country will continue to speed up circling the drain as to go straight down the tubes to the shitter as it has been for quite a while now & there are those that won't even recognize it as such . 

 

Oh and might i say those 2 that wouldn't answer the questions are as big of a POS as those that lie about their intentions in gov't .

Edited April 20, 2023 by T master

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

I use to go to work on farms when i was a kid to make money picking fruit, bailing hay, pitching horse *****, or what ever because i wanted to make money & my parents instilled a strong work ethic in me .

 

But all these snow flakes & their sensitive lazy ass ways that feel they should be entitled rather than teach their kids to go out & work for what they want see this as some kind of child abuse then we wonder why this country has out sourced so much manufacturing jobs to China .

 

I don't agree with young people being aloud to serve alcohol or do any kind of labor that can hurt them physically but learning that you need to work to get what you want in life doesn't bother me in the least matter of fact it does much more good than harm unless of course you feel that you are a American dammit & i am entitled to all the free bees the gov't can give me .

 

Then the country will continue to speed up circling the drain as to go straight down the tubes to the shitter as it has been for quite a while now & there are those that won't even recognize it as such . 

Still remember my first job delivering newspapers in a crap neighborhood.  5AM every morning to deliver.  had to collect from the customer as well. I was a ripe age of 13.  that summer the local youth Barough had farm jobs. they took us on busses to grape Vinyards where we tied up grapes for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Then took them all down at the end of the season.  Even had us to clean up of a Racetrack after races and concerts.  but that was the 90's.  In NYS.  different time I guess.

 

 

 

[nedboy7]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

I use to go to work on farms when i was a kid to make money picking fruit, bailing hay, pitching horse *****, or what ever because i wanted to make money & my parents instilled a strong work ethic in me .

 

But all these snow flakes & their sensitive lazy ass ways that feel they should be entitled rather than teach their kids to go out & work for what they want see this as some kind of child abuse then we wonder why this country has out sourced so much manufacturing jobs to China .

 

I don't agree with young people being aloud to serve alcohol or do any kind of labor that can hurt them physically but learning that you need to work to get what you want in life doesn't bother me in the least matter of fact it does much more good than harm unless of course you feel that you are a American dammit & i am entitled to all the free bees the gov't can give me .

 

Then the country will continue to speed up circling the drain as to go straight down the tubes to the shitter as it has been for quite a while now & there are those that won't even recognize it as such . 

 

Oh and might i say those 2 that wouldn't answer the questions are as big of a POS as those that lie about their intentions in gov't .

you defending $4.25 an hour and china?  yikes. 

[T master]

10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Still remember my first job delivering newspapers in a crap neighborhood.  5AM every morning to deliver.  had to collect from the customer as well. I was a ripe age of 13.  that summer the local youth Barough had farm jobs. they took us on busses to grape Vinyards where we tied up grapes for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Then took them all down at the end of the season.  Even had us to clean up of a Racetrack after races and concerts.  but that was the 90's.  In NYS.  different time I guess.

 

 

 

 

OMG you must have been just traumatized as a young person did you have to seek concealing for this type of child abuse as a young person & i would imagine that it has changed your entire adult life to be filled with terrible visions of those that took advantage of you as a young person to advance them selves by using you for child labor .

 

I'm so sorry but don't worry Billsy will come to your rescue 🙄 

 

All kidding aside some of my fondest memories growing up was my summer jobs being able to make money independently of my parents & buying what i wanted to but there are those that have only been spoiled rotten little ***** heads growing up that will only ever understand what entitlements are .

7 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

you defending $4.25 an hour and china?  yikes. 

 

No not if it is forced not at all but i use to work of my own free will as a young person fro the same amount because i wanted things & realized that the only way i was going to get them was to work for it .

 

Those that think anything in life today especially is free are terribly mislead because there is nothing in life that is free there will always be a price of some kind .

 

Besides where did it say anything about this being about China ?? Bait & switch is what it sounds like to me ...

 

Speaking of which i have to go to work have a nice day !! 

Edited April 20, 2023 by T master

[BillStime]

These laws aren’t about picking tomatoes and delivering papers. These laws are designed to loosen child labor laws so that you freaks won’t question that six hours in a coal mine is normal for kids.

 

Talk about fn groomers - forced marriages - forced pregnancies - forced labor - but don’t you dare say gay - jfc these idiots

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

This is f’d up. If they need labor, pay a living wage so adults will take your lousy jobs.

But if you did that, then money would be going to the wrong people. 
 

We can’t have average Americans making a decent wage, that money needs to go to shareholders and the wealthy.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

38 minutes ago, T master said:

I don't agree with young people being aloud to serve alcohol or do any kind of labor that can hurt them physically

I did some farm work and lots of lawn mowing as a kid.  Farm work is one of the most dangerous jobs around.  Agree that kids should be able to do some jobs but at capped hours per week to provide time for education and some fun being a kid.  Especially before age 16.  It's just ironic that the party that supposedly stands for the "working man" supports this.  Not many rich kids are going to be working before age 16....and while we're at it, let's get rid of the agrarian school calendar.  Kids rarely work the fields to help run the family farm anymore.  Let them learn year round so we can compete intellectually with the rest of the world.

Edited April 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I did some farm work and lots of lawn mowing as a kid.  Farm work is one of the most dangerous jobs around.  Agree that kids should be able to do some jobs but at capped hours per week to provide time for education and some fun being a kid.  Especially before age 16.  It's just ironic that the party that supposedly stands for the "working man" supports this.  Not many rich kids are going to be working before age 16....and while we're at it, let's get rid of the agrarian school calendar.  Kids rarely work the fields to help run the family farm anymore.  Let them learn year round so we can compete intellectually with the rest of the world.

Traditionally the Republican party was the party of business and never supported the working person until the recent wave of populism overwhelmed the old guard faction of the party.  The Democratic party was the party of the working person, union workers, civil rights movement.  But since the Tech boom and transformation of the economy with power moving from old industrial business predominantly in the Midwest to tech businesses in Silicon Valley the democrats have become the party of corporations and the tech billionaires.  Both parties cater to big money and neither party represents the interests of the working person today.  Or the Middle Class. At this point the 1% on each opposing end of the political spectrum are dragging the rest of us around by our privates in whichever direction they decide.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Democratic party was the party of the working person, union workers, civil rights movement

I would argue that the Dem party still is.  But also of big biz.  It's a balancing act I believe they pull off better than the R's who are just lying to the working class.  Remember when trump was going to bring all those coal mining jobs back to West Virginia or improve the healthcare system?  Many current R's just won't accept that its is impossible to turn the clock back.  The world is vastly different.

Edited April 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[All_Pro_Bills]

17 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I would argue that the Dem party still is.  But also of big biz.  It's a balancing act I believe they pull off better than the R's who are just lying to the working class.  Remember when trump was going to bring all those coal mining jobs back to West Virginia or improve the healthcare system?  Many current R's just won't accept that its is impossible to turn the clock back.  The world is vastly different.

I can accept that argument but I'd qualify that by pointing out the party has strayed from a goal of creating economic opportunity to a social justice focus on outcomes.  Which I find preposterous and impossible to achieve as no matter how hard you might try different inputs results in different outputs.  For example, you bust your ass and get $1 and somebody else sits on there's and gets $1.  How is that "fair" and how can a society exist and thrive under those terms and conditions?

Edited April 20, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

creating economic opportunity

Are you serious? 

You prove every day that you are a byproduct of right wing news.

[All_Pro_Bills]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Are you serious? 

Usually I am serious but you need to give me a little more here on specifically what you're objecting to.  Are you disputing the claim the traditional Democratic party supported policies for economic opportunity and upward mobility for the middle and working classes?

 

Frankly, I was engaging in a polite and civil conversation and you intervened then went all confrontational.  You should get some counseling for anger issues.

 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Big Blitz]

This thread 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Imagine thinking a 14 year old isn’t competent enough to work on a farm………..but a 11 year old boy is mature enough to decide he is a girl.  
 

 

This culture gone completely to ***t.  
 

Nice work Bill.   

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

you defending $4.25 an hour and china?  yikes. 

Hell, I was getting $1.65/hr when I started working. Of course, that was 1975.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Wacka

[B-Man]

The O.P.. . . . . . . . . . duped as always.

 

Let’s Blame Everyone Else For Increase in Migrant Child Labor.

I’m more worried about kids being used as drug mules or trafficked.

 

 

Per reports, including two reports in the New York Times, one in February and one this week, there’s been a massive increase in forced child labor of migrant children since 2021.

 

It’s not as if DHS, HHS, nor the Department of Labor haven’t been informed about this. They have. Repeatedly. 

 

Ms. Brandmiller’s job was to help vet sponsors, and she had been trained to look for possible trafficking. In her first week, two cases jumped out: One man told her he was sponsoring three boys to employ them at his construction company. Another, who lived in Florida, was trying to sponsor two children who would have to work off the cost of bringing them north.

She immediately contacted supervisors working with the Department of Health and Human Services, the federal agency responsible for these children. “This is urgent,” she wrote in an email reviewed by The New York Times.

But within days, she noticed that one of the children was set to be released to the man in Florida. She wrote another email, this time asking for a supervisor’s “immediate attention” and adding that the government had already sent a 14-year-old boy to the same sponsor.

 

What was the response of the HHS? They revoked her building access and essentially fired her. Yep. Rather than address the very real issue, they swept it under the rug. That’s not the only instance either. 

 

Instead, what did the agencies do? Blame everyone ELSE, and accept zero responsibility for their roles in this mess.

 

H.H.S. officials said the department vetted sponsors sufficiently but could not control what happened to children after they were released. Monitoring workplaces, they said, was the job of the Department of Labor.

Officials at the Labor Department said inspectors had increased their focus on child labor and shared details about workers with H.H.S., but said it was not a welfare agency.

And White House officials said that while the two departments had passed along information about migrant child labor, the reports were not flagged as urgent and did not make clear the scope of the problem. Robyn M. Patterson, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement that the administration was now increasing scrutiny of employers and reviewing its vetting of sponsors.

 

Children are being forced into labor to pay off their debts, which in some cases includes the cost of living with their sponsor! Which is egregious enough, but children are being put in danger and the Biden Administration has been ignoring this issue for nearly three years now. 

 

 

Over 300 THOUSAND children here in the U.S. with many fending for themselves, working to pay “debt” they shouldn’t have to and the only thing the Biden Administration can do is sputter “it’s not OUR fault!” and attempt to blame Donald Trump. 

 

 

Which they shouldn’t be doing considering it is policies that Mayorkas with Biden’s approval put into place that are endangering these children. Policies such as, don’t do mass workplace arrests, so we don’t scare the illegal immigrants away! 

 

 

That’s a policy developed in the fall of 2021 by the BIDEN Administration. Can’t blame Trump for that now can you? 

 

Then again, border security is not and never will be a priority for the Biden Administration. Illegal border crossings and the fentynal issue are of major concern, and all that Mayorkas will do is claim it is a “seasonal” thing. 

 

https://victorygirlsblog.com/lets-blame-everyone-else-for-increase-in-migrant-child-labor/

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

OMG you must have been just traumatized as a young person did you have to seek concealing for this type of child abuse as a young person & i would imagine that it has changed your entire adult life to be filled with terrible visions of those that took advantage of you as a young person to advance them selves by using you for child labor .

 

I'm so sorry but don't worry Billsy will come to your rescue 🙄 

 

All kidding aside some of my fondest memories growing up was my summer jobs being able to make money independently of my parents & buying what i wanted to but there are those that have only been spoiled rotten little ***** heads growing up that will only ever understand what entitlements are .

 

No not if it is forced not at all but i use to work of my own free will as a young person fro the same amount because i wanted things & realized that the only way i was going to get them was to work for it .

 

Those that think anything in life today especially is free are terribly mislead because there is nothing in life that is free there will always be a price of some kind .

 

Besides where did it say anything about this being about China ?? Bait & switch is what it sounds like to me ...

 

Speaking of which i have to go to work have a nice day !! 

I learned a lot from that job and the countless others done prior to being 18.  Between work and sports, it kept me off the streets that took lots of the people in my area.  

its crazy people block kids from learning how to work, overcome obstacles. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

But if you did that, then money would be going to the wrong people. 
 

We can’t have average Americans making a decent wage, that money needs to go to shareholders and the wealthy.

Ironic thing is those shareholders, are the workers 401K and pensions in most public corps.  

 

its all effed up.

 

 

[BillStime]

21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Usually I am serious but you need to give me a little more here on specifically what you're objecting to.  Are you disputing the claim the traditional Democratic party supported policies for economic opportunity and upward mobility for the middle and working classes?

 

Frankly, I was engaging in a polite and civil conversation and you intervened then went all confrontational.  You should get some counseling for anger issues.

 

 

 

Back up your OPINION on the real job creators - stats show that DEMOCRAT administrations are the REAL job creators.

 

And while you're at it - tell us more about McCarthy's plan to destroy the economy and take away INCENTIVES that Biden has created to grow the economy and create jobs in his latest plan to raise debt limit

 

And I know - right wing media told you to hate ESG. When did ESG investing begin?

 

I'll wait.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Back up your OPINION on the real job creators - stats show that DEMOCRAT administrations are the REAL job creators.

 

And while you're at it - tell us more about McCarthy's plan to destroy the economy and take away INCENTIVES that Biden has created to grow the economy and create jobs in his latest plan to raise debt limit

 

And I know - right wing media told you to hate ESG. When did ESG investing begin?

 

I'll wait.

 

Is that was the massive federal spending bills are?  jobs bills?

 

What incentives has Biden created that are helping to grow the economy.

 

When BlackRock/Fink/vanguard started promoting them and making it part of the requirement for investment.