Sean McDermott excited about calling the Defense

[PrimeTime101]

  On 4/20/2023 at 1:26 AM, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Anyone's guess about what exactly went down, but from what was made public it certainly seemed it was handled very respectfully by Bills. 

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I would say, how our DC handled it was very good. If the Bills handled it with respect, they would of let him go earlier while other teams were looking for DC's of their own. By the time he left, the teams that needed a DC were slim.

[Beck Water]

  On 4/20/2023 at 9:54 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

I would say, how our DC handled it was very good. If the Bills handled it with respect, they would of let him go earlier while other teams were looking for DC's of their own. By the time he left, the teams that needed a DC were slim.

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If Frazier had wanted to make a lateral move to a DC position on a different team, the Bills almost 100% would have released him from his contract to pursue that.
 

Therefore, I think it can be concluded with pretty high certainty, that a lateral move to DC was NOT what Frazier wanted to happen.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Beck Water

[Chaos]

  On 4/20/2023 at 12:55 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Do you think Chiefs fans are concerned with Andy Reid calling offensive plays and acting as HC? We might be in good shape. 

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The chiefs had an OC.  The Bills do not have a DC.  McDermott is not simply calling plays.

  On 4/20/2023 at 7:52 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

No I am not. You have no evidence. Watch every other Head Coach in the NFL with the call sheet. Every single one. Then tell me there is anything out of the ordinary with McDermott. Then and ONLY then do you even have circumstantial evidence. 

 

You don't know what you're talking about.

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You don't find the evidence sufficient to prove a claim. Which is fine. But it is evidence.  Just not proof. 

[Einstein]

  On 4/20/2023 at 7:52 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

No I am not. You have no evidence. Watch every other Head Coach in the NFL with the call sheet. Every single one. Then tell me there is anything out of the ordinary with McDermott. Then and ONLY then do you even have circumstantial evidence. 

 

You don't know what you're talking about.

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I don’t need to watch every other NFL coach to know what’s normal for McDermott.

 

McDermott spends most of the season with his hands on his hips or clapping. He rarely ever has a play sheet in his hand. When he does, it is RARE. Unusual. Strange. Not normal.

 

What another coach does is irrelevant to what is unusual for McDermott.

 

It is even more unusual for McDermott to have that play sheet up around his mouth, as he presumably calls plays.

 

Circumstantial evidence is evidence.

[BringBackFergy]

  On 4/21/2023 at 12:40 AM, Chaos said:

The chiefs had an OC.  The Bills do not have a DC.  McDermott is not simply calling plays.

 

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Then why the F#*! does Andy Reid have a monstrous laminated poster in his hand for the past four years. Eric Bienemie was OC in name only. Every Chiefs player has confirmed Andy was calling plays. You’re wayyyy off.

[Freddie's Dead]

  On 4/20/2023 at 8:51 PM, Malazan said:

 

If he's already 'bad' at it and hasn't shown "adequacy" over several years, what leads you to believe that he'd be better at it this upcoming season by continuing to not take on more responsibilities?

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Nothing.  I'm already on record saying that McD will never get us the Lombardi.  He proved that with 13 seconds.  He didn't even have a time pressure excuse because he called timeout before both plays and still choked.  I'll be more than happy to be wrong on this one.

[Einstein]

  On 4/21/2023 at 12:40 AM, Chaos said:

But it is evidence.  Just not proof. 

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He’s my favorite poster on this forum but he truly does not appear to understand the difference between “evidence” and “proof”.

 

Which is funny because his only evidence isn’t proof either :).

[Einstein]

  On 4/20/2023 at 7:59 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Why Mr. Einstein… Has the press never asked him about it again?

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they have…

 

Several times since then.

 

I especially remember in 2020 (or 2021?) because McD was asked and he responded by saying that he’s not going to answer those type of questions anymore. Probably because of the flack he got when he answered honestly in 2018.

 

I do love how your go-to proof was “the pressure doesn’t ask me about it” though, lol.

Edited April 21, 2023 by Einstein

[PrimeTime101]

  On 4/20/2023 at 10:02 PM, Beck Water said:

 

If Frazier had wanted to make a lateral move to a DC position on a different team, the Bills almost 100% would have released him from his contract to pursue that.
 

Therefore, I think it can be concluded with pretty high certainty, that a lateral move to DC was NOT what Frazier wanted to happen.

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Lot's of assumptions being made here... Want to know what I think? and yes  this is an assumption as well. I think lots of fans wanted our HC to take more accountability for something rather than nothing. And offensive HC takes bottom line accountability for his Offense and vice versa. I think when the "brass" finally decided to make a change that McD would agree with, it was to late.

 

I also feel as many should. If your a defensive minded HC.. and especially if your a defensive minded HC you should hold yourself more accountable for your defense.. No different than Rex Ryan did accept Rex screwed this defense up... The difference is Rex took accountability of it asap as where the Accountability lied with McD in my opinion way to late. 

 

So did everyone as a whole handle things in a respectful manner? oh yea... but If Frazier would of been "moved on" cough.. "a year break" cough... earlier.. I believe he would be with another team right now under another HC.. 1000%

 

Just remember.. we are both making a ton of assumptions here... Neither of us know the true facts here and likely never will unless its leaked years from now. 

[Buffalo716]

  On 4/21/2023 at 1:08 AM, Einstein said:

 

Uh, they have…

 

Several times since then.

 

I especially remember in 2020 (or 2021?) because McD was asked and he responded by saying that he’s not going to answer those type of questions anymore. Probably because of the flack he got when he answered honestly in 2018.

 

I do love how your go-to proof was “the pressure doesn’t ask me about it” though, lol.

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Apparently you’re the smartest guy in the world than Einstein

 

Because… 70,000 people in the stadium that day saw it… Made threads on it

 

He got grilled in the press

 

And apparently nobody besides you has ever seen it again

[Einstein]

  On 4/21/2023 at 1:23 AM, Buffalo716 said:

And apparently nobody besides you has ever seen it again

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The media has asked him about it since. So they’ve seen it.

And if you go on Twitter and search, thousands of other fans have seen it.

 

I think you meant to say; “Well, I didn’t see it!”

[Buffalo716]

  On 4/21/2023 at 1:26 AM, Einstein said:

 

The media has asked him about it since. So they’ve seen it.

And if you go on Twitter and search, thousands of other fans have seen it.

 

I think you meant to say; “Well, I didn’t see it!”

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Trust me I have a great eye and saw it  the day it happened

 

And I watch every press conference religiously and I don’t remember him ever being asked again… If you do bring up the clip and I’ll agree that he was asked multiple times over the years 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo Super Fan]

  On 4/20/2023 at 1:10 AM, Doc said:

I have little doubt that they wanted to keep Frazier as a coach, but strip him of play-calling duties.  Hence he left.

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Which is ridiculous no one with any self respect and pride is going to stay under those conditions if that was the case who knows. What do Buffalo Bills fans expect Sean McDermott to say he wasn’t looking forward to calling defensive plays when it was most likely his idea to begin with to pass the Buck on past failure anyone but himself ridiculous. We all are going to find out as Buffalo Bills fans what Sean McDermott is made of as a head coach this season. 

[Malazan]

  On 4/21/2023 at 12:54 AM, Freddie's Dead said:

Nothing.  I'm already on record saying that McD will never get us the Lombardi.  He proved that with 13 seconds.  He didn't even have a time pressure excuse because he called timeout before both plays and still choked.  I'll be more than happy to be wrong on this one.

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That doesn't answer the question about why you think calling plays is going to make a difference in something you believe him to already be bad at when he's not calling plays.. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 4/21/2023 at 12:40 AM, Chaos said:

 

You don't find the evidence sufficient to prove a claim. Which is fine. But it is evidence.  Just not proof. 

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What Einstein has "sometimes when camera is on McDermott he is holding the call sheet and talking into the headset" doesn't even make the standard of evidence, let alone proof. 

 

I have explained why and what is going on in those scenarios. It isn't what he thinks. It is evidence of something. Just not of McDermott having taken over playcalling. 

[Richard Noggin]

  On 4/21/2023 at 1:16 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

Lot's of assumptions being made here... Want to know what I think? and yes  this is an assumption as well. I think lots of fans wanted our HC to take more accountability for something rather than nothing. And offensive HC takes bottom line accountability for his Offense and vice versa. I think when the "brass" finally decided to make a change that McD would agree with, it was to late.

 

I also feel as many should. If your a defensive minded HC.. and especially if your a defensive minded HC you should hold yourself more accountable for your defense.. No different than Rex Ryan did accept Rex screwed this defense up... The difference is Rex took accountability of it asap as where the Accountability lied with McD in my opinion way to late. 

 

So did everyone as a whole handle things in a respectful manner? oh yea... but If Frazier would of been "moved on" cough.. "a year break" cough... earlier.. I believe he would be with another team right now under another HC.. 1000%

 

Just remember.. we are both making a ton of assumptions here... Neither of us know the true facts here and likely never will unless its leaked years from now. 

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As to the bolded: are you referencing a specific defensive failure under Rex that he took ownership of? Or a more general, post-tenure mea culpa? I'm not immediately remembering either scenario transpiring, save maybe for some off-handed, somewhat disingenuous self-deprecation (impossible to prove or defend, this subjective perception).  

 

I remember Rex being in love with his own system above all else. DID he ever admit that the evolution of the offensive game, especially its speed and the proliferation of motion-heavy, option-heavy spread attacks, essentially rendered his incredibly complex, pre-snap communication and check-based defensive schemes impossible to execute consistently? The Ryan boys weren't diligent and dedicated enough to keep up with the league's ambitious offensive minds. 

 

Did he openly wrestle with this during his tenure? 

[PrimeTime101]

  On 4/21/2023 at 6:18 AM, Richard Noggin said:

 

As to the bolded: are you referencing a specific defensive failure under Rex that he took ownership of? Or a more general, post-tenure mea culpa? I'm not immediately remembering either scenario transpiring, save maybe for some off-handed, somewhat disingenuous self-deprecation (impossible to prove or defend, this subjective perception).  

 

I remember Rex being in love with his own system above all else. DID he ever admit that the evolution of the offensive game, especially its speed and the proliferation of motion-heavy, option-heavy spread attacks, essentially rendered his incredibly complex, pre-snap communication and check-based defensive schemes impossible to execute consistently? The Ryan boys weren't diligent and dedicated enough to keep up with the league's ambitious offensive minds. 

 

Did he openly wrestle with this during his tenure? 

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man.. lets stick to one topic. Defense.  And yes. The complete change of the defense was on Rex and he admitted so day one.  Rex completely redesigned the defense day one and the scheme. that was not the DC scheme it was Rex's 

[Richard Noggin]

  On 4/21/2023 at 6:31 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

man.. lets stick to one topic. Defense.  And yes. The complete change of the defense was on Rex and he admitted so day one.  Rex completely redesigned the defense day one and the scheme. that was not the DC scheme it was Rex's 

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He didn't take accountability if he repeatedly stuck with that overly complex scheme that his players couldn't execute in a changing NFL.

 

So then let's not use him as some more accountable alternative to McDermott (as per your claim I was replying to)?

 

I'm excited to finally see in Buffalo a definitively McDermott-designed, -installed, and -called defensive attack. So maybe we agree about that the clarifying lack of ambiguity re: who to blame for 2023's defensive performances. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 4/21/2023 at 6:31 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

man.. lets stick to one topic. Defense.  And yes. The complete change of the defense was on Rex and he admitted so day one.  Rex completely redesigned the defense day one and the scheme. that was not the DC scheme it was Rex's 

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But he didn't accept blame when it failed. Indeed he loaded more and more of it onto the players. He blamed and fired Donnie Henderson. He blamed Doug Whaley. He even ended up turning on Dennis Thurman after the "10 men on the field debacle" vs Miami. Rex never blamed himself. Not ever. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

  On 4/21/2023 at 12:50 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Then why the F#*! does Andy Reid have a monstrous laminated poster in his hand for the past four years. Eric Bienemie was OC in name only. Every Chiefs player has confirmed Andy was calling plays. You’re wayyyy off.

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I think what he means is the the Chiefs OC installs the game plan and meets with the offense during the week. While Reid calls the plays he has an OC to help design game plan and install it during the week.

McDermott doesn't have a DC. But I would say it is safe to assume the guy that was brought in as a special assistant for defense will do that. Im too lazy to look up his name. And he will be the guy on the sideline talking to the players about what they are seeing and any ingame adjustments.