The Allen-Diggs Relationship in Decline?

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hope you are right.  I really do.  

But why did McD say they all needed some space?   You don't need "space" unless there's some friction.  It was great to see Diggs on the field with his teammates yesterday, but I still worry there might be some residual bad feelings.   Hopefully, Diggs puts those aside and performs.  

I think we may revisit this in 2024 depending on how this season works out.  
 

I do believe we are in the clear for this upcoming season, but only time will tell

[Nextmanup]

59 minutes ago, Unsavory Peterman said:

What does Mike Schopp say about this?  (Is that guy still around)

He's still around.  He said someone needs to sit Diggs down and straighten him out, because he can't continue to be at odds with the organization.  Or words to that effect.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hope you are right.  I really do.  

But why did McD say they all needed some space?   You don't need "space" unless there's some friction.  It was great to see Diggs on the field with his teammates yesterday, but I still worry there might be some residual bad feelings.   Hopefully, Diggs puts those aside and performs.  

 

But what makes you think the friction is with Allen?  Nothing about this suggested Allen was the source of friction with Diggs.  Fans put a 100 spins on it trying to sew discontent between them because of a frustration moment in a disappointing loss months ago.  

 

Allen, Diggs agent, Von, etc have all suggested it wasn't that serious.  And there is stuff that sounded like it involved his new positional coach and/or communication.

[Udubalum07]

5 hours ago, NUT said:

Allen doesn't seem as focused as Diggs at winning. That's not a Diggs problem.

Considering Diggs doesn't show up for anything that isn't mandatory, this is a tough sell. All these new receivers that he could help mentor and improve the team and he is a no show. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Udubalum07

[Malazan]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hope you are right.  I really do.  

But why did McD say they all needed some space?   You don't need "space" unless there's some friction.  It was great to see Diggs on the field with his teammates yesterday, but I still worry there might be some residual bad feelings.   Hopefully, Diggs puts those aside and performs.  

 

I've worked with the same guys for 10+ years. Nobody ever leaves the company. We definitely have friction and need some space at times. Friction and needing space aren't some end of the world thing. 

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hope you are right.  I really do.  

But why did McD say they all needed some space?   You don't need "space" unless there's some friction.  It was great to see Diggs on the field with his teammates yesterday, but I still worry there might be some residual bad feelings.   Hopefully, Diggs puts those aside and performs.  

 

There's friction when there are tough conversations and people say things that are hard to hear.  Then maybe you have some hard to hear stuff you want to say in return.

 

You process them, you speak in your turn, you calm down, the people you're talking to process and calm down, you all move on.  That's what being a professional means.

 

The key point is to break off talks before you or someone else speaks what I call "bridge burning words".

 

Ever hear Allen talk about his contract negotiations, I think it was with Kyle Brandt or maybe Pat McAfee?  When asked how they went, he said (sarcastically) "Oh, Super Smooth.  Nobody sat in a room and got upset.  But it's done now and I'm looking forward to the season."  It was clear there was friction over some issue, but also clear it got worked out.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Beck Water

[hondo in seattle]

21 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But what makes you think the friction is with Allen?  Nothing about this suggested Allen was the source of friction with Diggs.  Fans put a 100 spins on it trying to sew discontent between them because of a frustration moment in a disappointing loss months ago.  

 

Allen, Diggs agent, Von, etc have all suggested it wasn't that serious.  And there is stuff that sounded like it involved his new positional coach and/or communication.

 

Obviously, I don't know who the friction is with.  And it might be with more than one person. 

 

The one thing we do know is that Diggs blew up on Allen on the sideline only a few months ago.  It's only speculation and rumor that Diggs is mad at anyone else.  

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Obviously, I don't know who the friction is with.  And it might be with more than one person. 

 

The one thing we do know is that Diggs blew up on Allen on the sideline only a few months ago.  It's only speculation and rumor that Diggs is mad at anyone else.  

 

I get that, just saying its also only speculation or rumor Diggs is even mad at Allen too.  Tensions rise in games all the time between players, teammates, coaches, etc, its not that unusual.  And we don't even know what Diggs was actually specifically frustrated with on those sidelines, even that is all speculation from people who "know a guy, who knows a guy".  

 

Everyone important played it down as not a serious problem, and I would think if it was a rift between Allen and Diggs that would somewhat serious.

 

But hey, none of us truly know, all this is our own opinions based on what we know.  So no one is "wrong" or "right" here, just different viewpoints.  And based on what I saw and read, it seemed like it had to do more with some sort communication issues and maybe the new positional coach.  

 

All that matters now though is that Allen has publicly shown love to Diggs and Diggs has done the same.  So even if there was something with Allen, it appears to be over, even though I personally don't think Diggs missing that first day was about some issue between him and Allen.  

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I get that, just saying its also only speculation or rumor Diggs is even mad at Allen too.  Tensions rise in games all the time between players, teammates, coaches, etc, its not that unusual.  And we don't even know what Diggs was actually specifically frustrated with on those sidelines, even that is all speculation from people who "know a guy, who knows a guy".  

 

Everyone important played it down as not a serious problem, and I would think if it was a rift between Allen and Diggs that would somewhat serious.

 

But hey, none of us truly know, all this is our own opinions based on what we know.  So no one is "wrong" or "right" here, just different viewpoints.  And based on what I saw and read, it seemed like it had to do more with some sort communication issues and maybe the new positional coach.  

 

All that matters now though is that Allen has publicly shown love to Diggs and Diggs has done the same.  So even if there was something with Allen, it appears to be over, even though I personally don't think Diggs missing that first day was about some issue between him and Allen.  

 

You're probably right: Diggs missing the first day was probably not a Josh issue.  And I hope you're right that the Diggs-Allen spat is over.  I don't have any inside information.  I don't know what's going on.  But it is something I'm interested enough in to watch closely with some degree of concern. 

 

I felt more comfortable when we kept hearing about the bromance between the two.  But even if the bromance is over - and maybe it's not - that doesn't mean that the two of them can't tear it up together on the field.  

[Nitro]

No one knows what is going on but these two.  WRs are mercurial and passionate divas (stereotype) and QBs are competitive and focused (another stereotype) so the public takes sides.  IMO it is none of my business.  I have worked with people who rubbed me the wrong way but mission/job came first.  I am not worried because these men are striving for the same goal:  the Super Bowl and winning it. 

[without a drought]

I don't think this is anything that can't be fixed with

[78thealltimegreat]

On 6/15/2023 at 12:58 PM, NUT said:

Allen doesn't seem as focused as Diggs at winning. That's not a Diggs problem.

No that’s your problem with Allen 

[Hermes]

On 6/15/2023 at 7:52 PM, Beck Water said:

 

There's friction when there are tough conversations and people say things that are hard to hear.  Then maybe you have some hard to hear stuff you want to say in return.

 

You process them, you speak in your turn, you calm down, the people you're talking to process and calm down, you all move on.  That's what being a professional means.

 

The key point is to break off talks before you or someone else speaks what I call "bridge burning words".

 

Ever hear Allen talk about his contract negotiations, I think it was with Kyle Brandt or maybe Pat McAfee?  When asked how they went, he said (sarcastically) "Oh, Super Smooth.  Nobody sat in a room and got upset.  But it's done now and I'm looking forward to the season."  It was clear there was friction over some issue, but also clear it got worked out.

Honestly, my wife and I occasionally have friction about different issues and at times (I specifically) need space. It's a fact of human nature that you're not always going to see eye to eye with someone else, especially when there's change involved, and people just process things differently.

 

At this point it seems more like something to fill the airwaves than anything remotely substantial.  The people who are concerned about it are the same people who think the Bills are gonna fall to the bottom of the AFCE. 

[Franco_92]

On 6/15/2023 at 11:18 AM, Beck Water said:

 

Hi John!  Good to see you.  Any chance you'd be willing to Spill that Tea now about the issue to which you alluded last fall?

 

 

Nah, I'll speak up.  Wawrow is a good journalist in my book.  Good sources, puts information together to craft clear stories.  Has to be.  AP is a bastion of journalistic standards in an increasingly broad sea of slop

 

Graham has always written very good feature pieces.  I dislike his Twitter jousting with fans and his attitude of "thou must not criticize moi thou lowly peon" when he was here, and don't think either reflects well on him, but he still writes very good feature pieces.

 

 

What was the issue he mentioned?

[PromoTheRobot]

No.

 

 

[Bferra13]

On 6/15/2023 at 2:50 PM, Nextmanup said:

He's still around.  He said someone needs to sit Diggs down and straighten him out, because he can't continue to be at odds with the organization.  Or words to that effect.  

No he didn't. At least not that I heard. All he Said all week is the whole thing is a nothinburger considering its June and not September 

[hondo in seattle]

This might be BS, but Benjamin Albright is now reporting that the Bills are open to trading Diggs.  Another sign of trouble in Paradise?   Maybe.  Maybe not.  

 

“I talked to some people in Buffalo on the condition of anonymity and they said that, ‘Publicly, we’re not moving him. Privately, we would consider it under the right circumstances.’”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/breaking-buffalo-bills-are-privately-open-to-trading-star-wr-stefon-diggs/ar-AA1cTTsE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cd10fcc217344e618798895128ba54f7&ei=14

Edited June 22, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[hondo in seattle]

Meanwhile, Robert Griffin III says there's an unresolved issue between Diggs and Allen:

 

In a June 21 episode of the “Rich Eisen Show,” Griffin reported that “some people close” to Buffalo believe there is some unresolved tension between the team’s two top stars...  “I think it’s clear this is a personal thing between Josh (Allen) and Diggs,” Griffin said.

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-qb-josh-allen-blamed-for-his-role-in-stefon-diggs-drama/ar-AA1cTD6p?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d0770ac9f77c4fd19f36047b881de0d7&ei=21

[SCBills]

27 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

This might be BS, but Benjamin Albright is now reporting that the Bills are open to trading Diggs.  Another sign of trouble in Paradise?   Maybe.  Maybe not.  

 

“I talked to some people in Buffalo on the condition of anonymity and they said that, ‘Publicly, we’re not moving him. Privately, we would consider it under the right circumstances.’”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/breaking-buffalo-bills-are-privately-open-to-trading-star-wr-stefon-diggs/ar-AA1cTTsE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cd10fcc217344e618798895128ba54f7&ei=14

His trade scenario for Denver is Sutton and a third. 
 

That would be absolutely insane. 
 

If we’re taking on an apocalyptic dead cap hit to trade one of the best WR’s in the NFL … telling me Denver is open to offering Sutton and a 3rd Round Pick is absurd. 
 

Edited June 22, 2023 by SCBills

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

Meanwhile, Robert Griffin III says there's an unresolved issue between Diggs and Allen:

 

In a June 21 episode of the “Rich Eisen Show,” Griffin reported that “some people close” to Buffalo believe there is some unresolved tension between the team’s two top stars...  “I think it’s clear this is a personal thing between Josh (Allen) and Diggs,” Griffin said.

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-qb-josh-allen-blamed-for-his-role-in-stefon-diggs-drama/ar-AA1cTD6p?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d0770ac9f77c4fd19f36047b881de0d7&ei=21

 

If there had been....it didn't look like it at practice.... they were doing their usual handshakes, Diggs even posted a pic of them together on his IG