Florio raises an excellent question:

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Josh only needs to worry about not throwing so many interceptions.  He was careless with the ball all year. He needs to start throwing to the wide open underneath guys. 

The oline needs to play better.  They most likely upgraded LG pass protection.  RT is still a question mark.

They need to plan for Davis leaving next year.

Yes they need to invest on offense but that will be done with the draft.

 

Now if they go MLB, Edge, Safety, DT with top 4 picks then maybe he should complain.

 

 

[BananaB]

He’s not wrong at all. Beane drafted heavy on D and spent heavy on D for the past few years and we get knocked out every year in the same fashion. The guys drafted hardly see the ***** field so they ain’t really contributing on D at all. Maybe it’s McDs fault that he loves his vets over his rookies. When he took over the team he had to use those young guys and they become the backbone of our team. Now every new addition is on a 3 year nursing plan…. Josh asked for Beas and Brown back so I really don’t believe he’s as happy with the supporting cast as he tells the media. Might love them as a person and the effort they put in, but not the results on Sunday. He just said he’d like to see more of the old concepts that everyone knows, you could take that as a shot at Dorsey or a shot at the guys not picking up the playbook. There was alot of discussions on this board about some INTs, was it Josh or the WR? Since Diggs they have done nothing to help him out but continue to make mistakes filling holes on McDs D. 

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Trading away a top 5 WR and taking a DE and a CB in the first is not going all in on offensive infrastructure.

 

They got lucky and found diamonds in the rough for the OL in the later parts of the draft.

 

They spent an entire offseasom upgrading the OL after getting blown out in the Super Bowl. Traded for Orlando Brown, signed Joe Thuney to a massive deal, drafted Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. Agreed they got lucky getting Trey Smith in the 6th round because of a medical flag, but the rest was not luck; it was a specific and intentional improvement strategy.

 

I don't need us to replicate the Chiefs strategy exactly. But I've said before most Super Bowl champions have either an elite OL or an elite group of weapons. The Bills currently have neither. To me that's where the gap still exists between us and the other Super Bowl contenders.

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

And if JuJu broke his ankle week 4, they wouldn't have gotten any value either lol.

 

You said hard to differentiate, I say it's the difference between trying and in many cases failing to get Josh more help and weapons versus not really trying at all.

I mean JJSS is a legit talent, Crowder is the guy you bring in to fill a spot.

 

As to the bolded I still say it's the same thing.

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Josh only needs to worry about not throwing so many interceptions.  He was careless with the ball all year. He needs to start throwing to the wide open underneath guys.

He threw .87 interceptions per game in 2022 and .88 interceptions per game in 2021

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

They spent an entire offseasom upgrading the OL after getting blown out in the Super Bowl. Traded for Orlando Brown, signed Joe Thuney to a massive deal, drafted Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. Agreed they got lucky getting Trey Smith in the 6th round because of a medical flag, but the rest was not luck; it was a specific and intentional improvement strategy.

 

I don't need us to replicate the Chiefs strategy exactly. But I've said before most Super Bowl champions have either an elite OL or an elite group of weapons. The Bills currently have neither. To me that's where the gap still exists between us and the other Super Bowl contenders.

 

We drafted Cody Ford in the second round. Was him being a garbage player and Creed Humphrey being good not luck? What about Spencer Brown, who was drafted higher than Trey Smith?

 

If Spencer Brown and Cody Ford are as good as Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey, are we still having this conversation?

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I mean JJSS is a legit talent, Crowder is the guy you bring in to fill a spot.

 

As to the bolded I still say it's the same thing.

Well agree to disagree. I believe the Bills have tried to get Josh more help, and have gotten a combination of unlucky and pulled the trigger on the wrong guys to adequately do so.

[In Summary]

26 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

We basically save money on Josh then, Diggs aside, spend it on defense.

...and thereby reinforcing the practice such that a meaningful change to a more O-line dominant offense becomes psychologically difficult.  Fans accept this because Josh makes exciting improvisational out-of-structure plays rather than boring and incremental in-structure plays that have worked for Brady and Mahomes.

 

The Bills seem to know exactly who they are on defense and aren't afraid to commit resources there.  The offensive identify on the other hand, is less well-defined. Even when we pay Knox and draft Cook, we don't really use them.  There isn't the commensurate increase in production - especially short passing yardage and RAC.  Would more free-agent money change this?  I'm looking for Dorsey to make strides in year 2.  Same time, Beane and McDermott can't make OL an afterthought.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, In Summary said:

...and thereby reinforcing the practice such that a meaningful change to a more O-line dominant offense becomes psychologically difficult.  Fans accept this because Josh makes exciting improvisational out-of-structure plays rather than boring and incremental in-structure plays that have worked for Brady and Mahomes.

 

The Bills seem to know exactly who they are on defense and aren't afraid to commit resources there.  The offensive identify on the other hand, is less well-defined. Even when we pay Knox and draft Cook, we don't really use them.  There isn't the commensurate increase in production - especially short passing yardage and RAC.  Would more free-agent money change this?  I'm looking for Dorsey to make strides in year 2.  Same time, Beane and McDermott can't make OL an afterthought.

The offense was #2 overall, how many more strides does Dorsey have to take lol

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We drafted Cody Ford in the second round. Was him being a garbage player and Creed Humphrey being good not luck? What about Spencer Brown, who was drafted higher than Trey Smith?

 

If Spencer Brown and Cody Ford are as good as Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey, are we still having this conversation?

 

Why did you ignore Orlando Browm and Joe Thuney?

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

we spent it on von miller who blew his knee out and we lost our pass rush. same with tre, hyde 

 

Yes, we wasted it on defensive players who either got hurt or underperformed.  We should've rebuilt the OL 4 years ago. We settled for Diggs and no one else. You reap what you sow.  If Josh becomes Dan Marino it will be on McB.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why did you ignore Orlando Browm and Joe Thuney?

Because Dion Dawkins is better than Orlando Brown and is already on our team, we hardly needed to trade a first rounder for an LT, who walked for nothing in FA. Joe Thuney was a great move sure, but we have also made our own large contract splashes with IOL, namely Mitch Morse.

 

Do the Chiefs win the Super Bowl if Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith are Cody Ford and Spencer Brown level talents? The answer, obviously, is no.   Do the Bills have one of the best OL's in football if Cody Ford and Spencer Brown are as good as Creed and Smith?  Obviously, yes.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

He says:

 

"If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' "

 

It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein?

This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to.

 

 

Okay, who exactly was Beane supposed to go out and get then? Odell for $15mil? Pursue the broken down ghost of Allen Robinson? You tell me since you’re so outspokenly agreeing with this clown Florio.

[DieHardFan]

34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

They talked more about this idea yesterday too:

 

 

To summarize - they say that the Bills are so concerned with being at least average at every position, they've missed out on being really great at a couple positions other than QB. Specifically at WR Florio thinks we have been stubborn and that everyone other than Buffalo knows we need more there. Simms makes the case that we should do what the Chiefs did, go all in on offensive infrastructure and just have a couple pieces on defense that can make some plays.

Exactly! Was just about to post this myself. [BTW for the ADD crowd the pertinent part is between 2:24 and 6:35]

 

Homer's here will not like to hear it but it make alot of sense.

[DieHardFan]

37 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Simms is wrong. That's not what the Chiefs did.  At all.

 

Trading away a top 5 WR and taking a DE and a CB in the first is not going all in on offensive infrastructure.

 

They got lucky and found diamonds in the rough for the OL in the later parts of the draft.

Pertinent part was their take on the Bill's Personnel policy, so let's pick apart Simm's tidbit on KC. SMH

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

It's going to be a long off-season. 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, DieHardFan said:

Exactly! Was just about to post this myself. [BTW for the ADD crowd the pertinent part is between 2:24 and 6:35]

 

Homer's here will not like to hear it but it make alot of sense.

Sims and Florio are 100% right. Enough of trying to build a complete team. Andy sacrifices on defense all the time to emphasize his offense. And unfortunately you have a stubborn defensive HC unwilling to build his resources around his superstar.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Okay, who exactly was Beane supposed to go out and get then? Odell for $15mil? Pursue the broken down ghost of Allen Robinson? You tell me since you’re so outspokenly agreeing with this clown Florio.

Telling me we couldn't have traded a first for an AJ Brown last year instead of drafting Kaiir Elam?

 

Lots of different things could have been done to bolster the offense with some imagination

 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

He says:

 

"If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' "

 

It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein?

This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to.

 

 

It’s not really a good question.  They restructured Josh’s contract because they were over the cap.

 

The #1 problem with the Bills roster IMO is their failure to develop the defensive line.  They spent 3 premium picks on DE and at the end of 2021 had no pass rush so they overspent to get Von Miller.  When he was active he gave the Bills what they were looking for, but of course, he tore his ACL.  
 

They’ve tied multiple premium draft picks and a very high salary into DE and as of today only have a decent player like Greg Roseau to show for it.  

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

He says:

 

"If I'm Josh Allen, and I'm on a team friendly deal, I'm saying to somebody: 'What the hell are you doing with all the money I left behind? Where's the beef? Why do I not have the help I need?' "

 

It's a REALLY good question. This team restructures Allen, and does what with it, exactly? Finds a cheap guard? Brings back AJ Klein?

This draft will tell us what the future's gonna look like. If they blow it (as they have in recent drafts) on defense, I think it's time for Allen to start making noise. And frankly, he has every right to.

 

 

 

Wait, so his argument is to have less cap space to work with and as a result, have a less talented roster? Weird.

 

Pretty sure Josh would tell this clown to not even pretend to think he speaks for him.  Josh understands that the more cap space Beane has to work with, the more possibilities he has to improve the roster.

 

If Josh were selfish, he'd think like this fool is talking.  Josh wants to win.

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Sims and Florio are 100% right. Enough of trying to build a complete team. Andy sacrifices on defense all the time to emphasize his offense. And unfortunately you have a stubborn defensive HC unwilling to build his resources around his superstar.  

How has Andy sacrificed defense? 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1) No it is not a serious question.

 

2) J Allen when he signed the deal was not exactly "team friendly".  At that time it was a reasonable deal but if you want to use hindsight and suddenly compare his contract to what QBs are getting now a year later  with QB inflation that is a highly flawed, borderline laughable proposition.