ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: First place!!! https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/amp/ What happens when you look at per capita? Or would that make too much sense and not fit the narrative?
Motorin' Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 4 hours ago, ChiGoose said: What happens when you look at per capita? Or would that make too much sense and not fit the narrative? Chicago has 30% more people than the entire state of Maryland. And Maryland had more homicides last year.
Westside Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Chicago has 30% more people than the entire state of Maryland. And Maryland had more homicides last year. I wonder what political party controls those big cities?
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Westside said: I wonder what political party controls those big cities? Is that the only lens you can see the world with? No room for complexity or nuance? Just political party?
Westside Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: Is that the only lens you can see the world with? No room for complexity or nuance? Just political party? When it comes to who has the power and how they use it, then yes. The D’s have been in control of big cities in this country for over 50 years. They are a shitshow and only getting worse. Don’t put the blame anywhere but where it belongs. The Democratic Party. They make the policies, they control the cities. They allow this to happen. With you supporting this shitshow, it makes you responsible as well.
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Westside said: When it comes to who has the power and how they use it, then yes. The D’s have been in control of big cities in this country for over 50 years. They are a shitshow and only getting worse. Don’t put the blame anywhere but where it belongs. The Democratic Party. They make the policies, they control the cities. They allow this to happen. With you supporting this shitshow, it makes you responsible as well. If your worldview is correct, you’re basically saying that the Democratic Party is completely incompetent and cannot stop crime and yet the GOP is still less appealing to voters. Maybe not the best argument, but you do you, buddy.
Westside Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: If your worldview is correct, you’re basically saying that the Democratic Party is completely incompetent and cannot stop crime and yet the GOP is still less appealing to voters. Maybe not the best argument, but you do you, buddy. You started out good, but like always you finished with a fizzle.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 8 hours ago, ChiGoose said: What happens when you look at per capita? Or would that make too much sense and not fit the narrative? Form article Quote Ted Dabrowski, president of Wirepoints, said, “You can’t ignore when one city has the most murders in the country. Especially 11 years in a row. And so that’s why it’s also really important to look at the total number of homicides. Chicago has almost 700 homicides. A city that’s much, much larger, like New York, has fewer than 500. So your rates matter, but so does the outright number.”
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If your worldview is correct, you’re basically saying that the Democratic Party is completely incompetent and cannot stop crime and yet the GOP is still less appealing to voters. Maybe not the best argument, but you do you, buddy. Why not the best argument? Not hard to find data that substantiates this quite well particularly if you replace ‘incompetent and’ with ‘deliberately driving policy that’. just like we know republican policy doesn’t appeal to most deadbeats, most ultra wealthy, or any liberal single issue extremists no matter how poorly democrats execute.
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Why not the best argument? Not hard to find data that substantiates this quite well particularly if you replace ‘incompetent and’ with ‘deliberately driving policy that’. just like we know republican policy doesn’t appeal to most deadbeats, most ultra wealthy, or any liberal single issue extremists no matter how poorly democrats execute. Because it requires intentional ignorance to believe that all democratic candidates and policies are the same and that Chicago’s gun violence problem is solely the result of Chicago policies.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Because it requires intentional ignorance to believe that all democratic candidates and policies are the same and that Chicago’s gun violence problem is solely the result of Chicago policies. as much ignorance as it takes to refuse to see what is actually happening and hold politicians accountable? The progressive political platform is that of muting traditional policing because the demographics of the criminals isn’t equitable. Of course impunity results in criminals doing more crime. Did anyone not expect this?
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: as much ignorance as it takes to refuse to see what is actually happening and hold politicians accountable? The progressive political platform is that of muting traditional policing because the demographics of the criminals isn’t equitable. Of course impunity results in criminals doing more crime. Did anyone not expect this? Buddy, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe just sit this one out instead of declaring your ignorance to the world.
BillsFanNC Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 "You're ignorant to argue that all dem policies are the same" Now let me tell you about how all GOP policies are the same and lead to the same results. @ChiGoose 2
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Buddy, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe just sit this one out instead of declaring your ignorance to the world. must be it all looks just fine from your grandmas basement. Calling everyone you disagree with ignorant is the pinnacle of ignorant idiocy. Carry on 😂 1 1
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: must be it all looks just fine from your grandmas basement. Calling everyone you disagree with ignorant is the pinnacle of ignorant idiocy. Carry on 😂 Nah, good faith disagreement is fine. Willful ignorance is just tough to tolerate. Not that it matters, but I own my home, I actually live in Chicago and my grandparents have been dead for years. But you can keep on being foolish. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Because it requires intentional ignorance to believe that all democratic candidates and policies are the same and that Chicago’s gun violence problem is solely the result of Chicago policies. This post and the next few need to be explained because it seems you are stating that the reason Chicago is an outlier in gun violence is caused by people who are in the normal range. This line of thought is not an obvious connection so I am curious where you are going with it.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Nah, good faith disagreement is fine. Willful ignorance is just tough to tolerate. Not that it matters, but I own my home, I actually live in Chicago and my grandparents have been dead for years. But you can keep on being foolish. Any time you want to stimulate good faith disagreement as opposed to droning on repeatedly that everyone else is ignorant- great! You’re not the only person here that has been to that city or knows people from there or that have fled the city because of the spiraling disaster there.
Doc Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 It's only going to get worse for big cities as woke governments and DA's seek to release criminals back on the streets and LEO's continue to retire in droves and replacements don't keep up with need. I just can't see how anyone would want to enter the police force, much less in a big city. And then where do you turn? The military? 1
Wacka Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Not that it matters, but I own my home, I actually live in Chicago and my grandparents have been dead for years. But you can keep on being foolish. And Grandpa and Grandma vote more often than you do! 2 1
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: This post and the next few need to be explained because it seems you are stating that the reason Chicago is an outlier in gun violence is caused by people who are in the normal range. This line of thought is not an obvious connection so I am curious where you are going with it. There are many reasons Chicago is an outlier in gun violence when compared to NYC and LA. As I stated several times, the real outliers for homicides are St. Louis and New Orleans, but because they are smaller, they don’t have as large raw numbers and therefore don’t generate the clickbait headlines. A large driver of the violence is that Chicago borders one state with lax gun laws and is less than two hours from another. Illinois and Chicago have enacted gun laws that have made it difficult for criminals to get guns here, but they can still get them next door. That’s why around 60% of the guns used in crimes here come from out of state. One Indiana store less than 5 miles from the city is responsible for over 800 guns recovered from crime scenes in Chicago alone. Neither NYC nor LA have this problem and there’s very little any Dem in Chicago can do to stop it. People on this board seem to think that just because someone has a “D” after their name that they all believe the same things and policies. This despite the fact that the Chicago mayoral election that just happened was between two Dems with very different views on how to handle crime. One simply wanted to hire more cops. The other wanted more detectives and more focus on preventative measures. It’s telling that all of the neighborhoods with high crime rates voted for the latter, not the former. That might have something to do with the fact that Chicago has 1.5-2x as many cops per resident as similar sized cities. Throwing more cops at the problem would be the definition of doing the same thing and expecting different results. Combining our high number of cops to handle crime when it occurs with an effort to stop crime before it occurs by addressing the root causes of crime seemed to resonate with the people most affected by crime. Also, Chicago always has had contentious politics, even if the politicians ostensibly belonged to the same party. Just look at the Council Wars of the 1980’s. Chicago also has a history is disinvestment in certain areas of the city. Despite routinely ranking highly on things like business relocations, tourism, etc, Chicago also has food deserts: areas where there is little to no access to fresh food like produce. We also closed down dozens of schools in a way that necessitates kids crossing gang territory to get to school. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that these same areas often still have lead service lines as well. In these areas, we’ve basically created incubators for crime through this disinvestment. Kids growing up poor with little opportunity, having to travel through dangerous areas to get an education, potentially impacted by polluted water. They might see crime as the only way they can “make it” or even gang life as the only way to have protection to get around safely. No amount of “tough on crime” policy is going to fix that. There has always been a tension between investment in the business districts, especially the Loop, versus the surrounding neighborhoods. When you have easy access to guns due to neighboring red state policies combined with people growing up in pockets of the city where there is a lack of opportunity due to disinvestment, you’re going to have violent crime. Mayors can have an effect on the latter issue, trying to balance a business friendly environment with generating enough revenue to invest in the city. But there isn’t much they can do about the guns. So long as Indiana (and to a lesser degree Wisconsin), make it easy to smuggle guns into Chicago, the city is going to have a gun problem. So yeah, when people say that the problem is “voting Dem” they are ignoring the fact that there is a variety of types of Dems in the city, and the fact that one of the biggest drivers of gun violence in Chicago is the Republicans next door. 5 hours ago, Wacka said: And Grandpa and Grandma vote more often than you do! Making a joke out of someone’s dead grandparents is exactly the kind of performative assholery that defines the modern GOP.
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