ChiGoose Posted April 10 Posted April 10 11 hours ago, Doc said: What was that about Dunning-Kruger Effect again? If a pregnant woman has signs of a miscarriage (bleeding, abdominal pain) and a good-faith effort is made to search for a fetal heart beat and none is found, one can confidently declare it's a miscarriage. The ultrasound is the evidence. Everything else is political machinations. Hey buddy, you can be having a miscarriage while there is still a “heartbeat.” That’s the problem with these stupid laws. If the pregnancy is nonviable or the mother is experiencing miscarriage symptoms but there is still a fetal “heartbeat,” by law they need to wait until the life of the mother is in danger. It’s really dumb and illogical, but that’s why it’s a GOP policy. Read like, literally any story about this coming out of Texas. 1
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Welcome to The Handmaid's Tale What would you do with those that break the law? 1
BillStime Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 48 minutes ago, Pokebball said: What would you do with those that break the law? HA - the lack of foresight is astounding considering the Republican nominee for the President of the United States is out on bail. 1
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 Just now, BillStime said: HA - the lack of foresight is astounding considering the Republican nominee for the President of the United States is out on bail. Bail is a legal process. Again, what would you do with someone that broke the law? 1
ChiGoose Posted April 10 Posted April 10 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Bail is a legal process. Again, what would you do with someone that broke the law? If you’re implying that the natural consequence of outlawing abortion is punishing women and doctors, I agree. In fact, the natural consequence of fetal personhood (which is gaining popularity on the right) is banning IVF and prosecuting women who have abortions and their doctors for first degree murder. I just happen to agree with the majority of Americans that those laws are stupid and warrant fighting against. Edited April 10 by ChiGoose 1
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If you’re implying that the natural consequence of outlawing abortion is punishing women, I agree. In fact, the natural consequence of fetal personhood (which is gaining popularity on the right) is banning IVF and prosecuting women who have abortions for first degree murder. I just happen to agree with the majority of Americans that those laws are stupid and warrant fighting against. Yeah, I think many laws are stupid, but I obey them. I will also work, legally, to change some of these laws. But since you're talking politics instead of law, I think the 1860 abortion law in Arizona is stupid. I also think that anyone that believes the Arizona Governor didn't intentionally let that play out after the SCOTUS decision, is stupid. Last weeks headlines were written a year and a half ago. What's your opinion about the dem governor using this for political purposes, rather than getting a current abortion bill worked? Human life does have a starting point. I'm not sure when you think that is. Mine is supported by science. Edited April 10 by Pokebball 1
BillStime Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 18 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Bail is a legal process. Again, what would you do with someone that broke the law? I can't take seriously someone who is out on bail preaching about law and order. Those who break the law should be held accountable, but don't blame me when your party consistently loses.
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 Just now, BillStime said: I can't take seriously someone who is out on bail preaching about law and order. Those who break the law should be held accountable, but don't blame me when your party consistently loses. I'm not out on bail
ChiGoose Posted April 10 Posted April 10 If the people who claim to oppose abortion really wanted to reduce abortions without harming women, they’d address the root causes of abortions. But they never do (and often oppose proven effective methods) so it’s hard to believe them when they say that’s their goal.
Tiberius Posted April 10 Posted April 10 11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If the people who claim to oppose abortion really wanted to reduce abortions without harming women, they’d address the root causes of abortions. But they never do (and often oppose proven effective methods) so it’s hard to believe them when they say that’s their goal. The even bigger joke is them saying they are "pro-life." They fought tooth and nail against people being able to get insurance.
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 21 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If the people who claim to oppose abortion really wanted to reduce abortions without harming women, they’d address the root causes of abortions. But they never do (and often oppose proven effective methods) so it’s hard to believe them when they say that’s their goal. If the people who claim to oppose harming women over abortion really wanted to, they would address the root causes of harming women! did I do that right
ChiGoose Posted April 10 Posted April 10 8 minutes ago, Pokebball said: If the people who claim to oppose harming women over abortion really wanted to, they would address the root causes of harming women! did I do that right Well, if you ask Dems if they want to make having kids more affordable and provide better opportunities and support to people with financial difficulties while ensuring that people can get prenatal care, good parental leave, and affordable childcare, they’d probable all be on board. Do you think the GOP would? 1
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Well, if you ask Dems if they want to make having kids more affordable and provide better opportunities and support to people with financial difficulties while ensuring that people can get prenatal care, good parental leave, and affordable childcare, they’d probable all be on board. Do you think the GOP would? they'd also be probably all on board 1
ChiGoose Posted April 10 Posted April 10 3 hours ago, Pokebball said: they'd also be probably all on board I wish you were correct, but the GOP tends to oppose expanding healthcare, increasing access to contraceptives, and affordable childcare. There are signs however, that they are rethinking their opposition to parental leave. It would be smart for them to revisit these policies. Dobbs is incredibly unpopular with the average American. If the GOP were open to these things, Speaker Johnson could put them on the House floor and force Dems to choose to support their stated policies or keep the issue alive for the election (not unlike how the GOP went back on their proposed border deal. 1
Pokebball Posted April 10 Posted April 10 12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I wish you were correct, but the GOP tends to oppose expanding healthcare, increasing access to contraceptives, and affordable childcare. There are signs however, that they are rethinking their opposition to parental leave. It would be smart for them to revisit these policies. Dobbs is incredibly unpopular with the average American. If the GOP were open to these things, Speaker Johnson could put them on the House floor and force Dems to choose to support their stated policies or keep the issue alive for the election (not unlike how the GOP went back on their proposed border deal. Everyone wants these things. The difference in philosophy is how to accomplish it. The Border deal? The GOP passed their border bill in the house. HB2 is sitting on Schumer's desk collecting dust. Dems haven't passed a border bill yet because Schumer couldn't get the support he needed in the Dem controlled senate. 1
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