Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 ITs a state issue. where peoples vote and representation is much stronger than the federal.
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) “Oh hey, these laws are poorly written and are having disastrous consequences.” ItS a StAtE iSsUe. I aM sMaRt Edited April 9 by ChiGoose 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 "Dobbs" said it's a state issue. Every one of us has more representation at the state and local level than the federal.
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 ItS a StAte IsSuE. wE wIlL vOtE tO hArM wOmEn BeCaUsE dEmOcRaCy. I aM a SeRiOuS pErSoN. 1 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) What happens if someone takes those medications after the first trimester? Any negative side effects? I live in NY, we not only allow electives till birth, we pay for them. Why do facts trigger you so hard. Edited April 9 by Tommy Callahan
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Asks a bunch of questions, spits a bunch of nonsense, misses the point, is completely unable to address the actual issues. “Do My FaCtS tRiGgEr YoU?” 1 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Facts got big bird triggered to reading like a spoiled child. 1
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Nah man, just laughing at you. So simple, so naive. Like a precious little cinnamon bun. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) bIg BiRd BiG mAd At FaCtS You are what you attempt to call others. Or answer the question. Are there side affects of taking those drugs after a certain date. Edited April 9 by Tommy Callahan 1
BillStime Posted April 9 Author Posted April 9 23 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: What happens if someone takes those medications after the first trimester? Any negative side effects? I live in NY, we not only allow electives till birth, we pay for them. Why do facts trigger you so hard. Hmmm.... I wonder if the medical and pharmaceutical community has already addressed your concerns. 1
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: bIg BiRd BiG mAd At FaCtS You are what you attempt to call others. Or answer the question. Are there side affects of taking those drugs after a certain date. What a dumb question. Every drug has side effects. Mifepristone is safer than Tylenol. Should we ban Tylenol? 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 28 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: What a dumb question. Every drug has side effects. Mifepristone is safer than Tylenol. Should we ban Tylenol? Silly false dichotomy. Tylenol doesn't need a script for very real medical reasons. You guys always reference science. But here your going with feeling and pr over science. One more time. What kinda of side affects can happen if used after a certain date? Severe hemorrhaging, death? Stroke? Tylenol has those warnings. Eff safety and science. It's about beating the other team, eh 1
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 30 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Silly false dichotomy. Tylenol doesn't need a script for very real medical reasons. You guys always reference science. But here your going with feeling and pr over science. One more time. What kinda of side affects can happen if used after a certain date? Severe hemorrhaging, death? Stroke? Tylenol has those warnings. Eff safety and science. It's about beating the other team, eh If you have an opinion, state it. If you want to say “mifepristone should be banned because reasons x, y, and z,” then say so. Don’t play stupid guessing games that waste everyone’s time. It’s childish. My opinion: mifepristone should not be banned because it has been proven to be safe and effective. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) “Mifepristone should be prescribed by doctors and used in the safest way for the mother. As it is now. only the left is talking about banning it, when confronted about the push back to making it mail order and removing safety protocols. But then again, same thing you did with Books in Florida and other topics. Edited April 9 by Tommy Callahan 2
ChiGoose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 The changes the right is so upset about: “The Mifepristone REMS Program was modified on January 3, 2023. Under the Mifepristone REMS Program: Mifepristone must be prescribed by a health care provider that meets certain qualifications and is certified under the Mifepristone REMS Program. In order to become certified to prescribe mifepristone, health care providers must complete a Prescriber Agreement Form. The Patient Agreement Form must be reviewed with and signed by the patient and the health care provider, and the risks of the mifepristone treatment regimen must be fully explained to the patient before mifepristone is prescribed. The patient must be provided with a copy of the Patient Agreement Form and mifepristone Medication Guide (FDA-approved information for patients). Mifepristone may only be dispensed by or under the supervision of a certified prescriber, or by a certified pharmacy on a prescription issued by a certified prescriber. To become certified to dispense mifepristone, pharmacies must complete a Pharmacy Agreement Form. Certified pharmacies must be able to ship mifepristone using a shipping service that provides tracking information. Certified pharmacies must ensure mifepristone is dispensed to the patient in a timely manner.” (FDA)
Tommy Callahan Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Thank for the link explaining its mail order and that Teladoc and pharmacies can hand it out. It's all good. I am sure those forms have nothing to do with protecting liability for the first time someone is rushed to the hospital or has life changing/ending complications. It works fine for most as long as it's given under 10 weeks. and then one still has to take misoprostol within 48 hours. "The abortion pill is sometimes advertised online, however, according to the FDA, the majority of those pills are not legal and might be ineffective, counterfeit, tainted, and unsafe.3,4 While some women prefer to take the abortion pill because they feel it will be more comfortable to have their abortion at home, the oversight of a doctor is still vital. A medical abortion is not an option for women who can not make follow-up visits to their doctor or don’t have access to emergency care." The abortion pill is about 98% effective at ending a pregnancy, depending on how early it’s taken. The later in the pregnancy the abortion occurs, the more likely there is to be a complication or failed abortion. The rate of abortion-related ER visits following a medical abortion has risen dramatically in the last several years,11 so it’s important to be aware of the risks before making a decision about your health. Abortions should never be administered without medical supervision. According to research, the greatest risks are: Compared to surgical abortion, women who take the abortion pill have a 53% greater risk of an ER visit for an abortion-related reason.12 The most common adverse outcome is an incomplete abortion requiring follow-up surgery.13 The most dangerous complications from the mifepristone are hemorrhaging and bacterial infection. These serious conditions can require blood transfusions, cause long term health effects, and lead to death, so it is vital to seek medical attention quickly if you experience any of the severe side effects listed above Eff, when I went to school plan B was in the vending machines. It was all kinds of controversial at first. the funny thing was the vending machine was usually empty by Friday as many used/use them as prophylactics.
Wacka Posted April 9 Posted April 9 The left looks at the Constitution and sees "This is what I FEEL it means", not the actual words on the parchment. 1
Doc Posted April 9 Posted April 9 9 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Discharge paperwork when my wife had to be treated for miscarriages: “Spontaneous Abortion” Discharge paperwork when my wife thought she was having a miscarriage (but thankfully wasn’t): “Threatened Abortion” Basically every hospital looking at these laws: “life of the mother” means we are potentially liable if we terminate a pregnancy with a “heartbeat” (even if it’s nonviable) when the mother’s life is not at risk. Basically every lawyer looking at these laws: “life of the mother” means you are potentially liable if you terminate a pregnancy with a “heartbeat” (even if it’s nonviable) when the mother’s life is not at risk. MAGA: “nuh uh. Everyone is wrong except me, facts and logic be damned.” What was that about Dunning-Kruger Effect again? If a pregnant woman has signs of a miscarriage (bleeding, abdominal pain) and a good-faith effort is made to search for a fetal heart beat and none is found, one can confidently declare it's a miscarriage. The ultrasound is the evidence. Everything else is political machinations. 1 1
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