AJ Klein Expected to Sign with Bills

[NewEra]

53 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Devin White is the move that would make a huge difference for our defense. He would be like bringing in Cornelius Bennett for a LB needy team. He’s the perfect replacement for Edmunds. Beane needs to be bold this season. All these options like Klein, Dodson, Bernard,  or a3rd rd draft choice don’t move the needle. The Bucs may not want to move him but if he wants out and Beane is aggressive enough, he could be had.

He’s been god awful in coverage the last couple years. Like…. Really bad.  Why do you think that would change if he came to Buffalo?

 

what would you want to give up for him and would you sign him to an extension? 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Devin White’s been god awful in coverage the last couple years. Like…. Really bad.  Why do you think that would change if he came to Buffalo?

 

what would you want to give up for him and would you sign him to an extension? 

 

In addition to his reputation exceeding his play, there's this:

 

"White is heading into the fifth-year option season of his rookie contract, which means he has a guaranteed salary of $11.706 million this season and then becomes an unrestricted free agent in 11 months. Any trade of White would likely involve his new team also agreeing to sign him to a new contract."

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/11/report-buccaneers-have-zero-intention-of-trading-devin-white/

 

[Eastport bills]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s been god awful in coverage the last couple years. Like…. Really bad.  Why do you think that would change if he came to Buffalo?

 

what would you want to give up for him and would you sign him to an extension? 

Say what you want about his shortcomings, but the had 6 sacks, 73 solo tackles with 57 assisted. He’s the captain of a defense that had big time players who produced prior to last year. He’s a veteran presence alongside Milano and can be great in pressure packages. I would give a 2nd in this year’s draft and a conditional pick in 2024. Naturally, I would try to extend him.

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Say what you want about his shortcomings, but the had 6 sacks, 73 solo tackles with 57 assisted. He’s the captain of a defense that had big time players who produced prior to last year. He’s a veteran presence alongside Milano and can be great in pressure packages. I would give a 2nd in this year’s draft and a conditional pick in 2024. Naturally, I would try to extend him.

6 sacks and he had tackles….. as a Mike.  We had a Mike lead the league in tackles.  His name was Preston Brown and he stunk.    
 

How about coverage?  It’s a passing league and we need our Mike to be able to cover.  He’s shown that he’s one of the worst coverage mikes in the league.  So we’re going to trade a or multiple draft picks for a Mike that can’t cover and we’re supposed to resign him long term?  
 

you’d trade a 2nd and a pick next year?  
oh man.  I’d trade a 5th and I wouldn’t extend him.  

[Eastport bills]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

6 sacks and he had tackles….. as a Mike.  We had a Mike lead the league in tackles.  His name was Preston Brown and he stunk.    
 

How about coverage?  It’s a passing league and we need our Mike to be able to cover.  He’s shown that he’s one of the worst coverage mikes in the league.  So we’re going to trade a or multiple draft picks for a Mike that can’t cover and we’re supposed to resign him long term?  
 

you’d trade a 2nd and a pick next year?  
oh man.  I’d trade a 5th and I wouldn’t extend him.  

OK, I know you’re a serious NFL observer, knowledgeable about 32 teams personnel, but what metric are you basing your criticism of White on. In 2021 they were 3rd in pass defense and last year when their defense was injured and disappointing, their pass defense was 8th. Don’t insult yourself comparing White to Preston Brown. How many playoff wins or SBs does Brown have? The reason I didn’t say a 3rd was because I don’t think a 3rd would get it done. Weren’t you one of the Edmunds killers last year as well?When this team struggles with pressuring the QB and run defense with the LB corp on the roster or a rookie, remember them not bringing in a veteran leader who has a body of work and has been winner. It didn’t have to be White but Edmunds made a difference and he has not been replaced.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Eastport bills said:

OK, I know you’re a serious NFL observer, knowledgeable about 32 teams personnel, but what metric are you basing your criticism of White on. In 2021 they were 3rd in pass defense and last year when their defense was injured and disappointing, their pass defense was 8th. Don’t insult yourself comparing White to Preston Brown. How many playoff wins or SBs does Brown have? The reason I didn’t say a 3rd was because I don’t think a 3rd would get it done. Weren’t you one of the Edmunds killers last year as well?When this team struggles with pressuring the QB and run defense with the LB corp on the roster or a rookie, remember them not bringing in a veteran leader who has a body of work and has been winner. It didn’t have to be White but Edmunds made a difference and he has not been replaced.

“They” being 3rd in pass D doesn’t mean “he” was good in pass D.  
 

Spending a second round pick and wasting its 4 year rookie salary on an overrated LB that can’t cover and signing that guy to a big extension might be the worst possible move Beane could make. Just awful. 
 

Edmunds killer?  Does anyone here  think I was an edmunds killer?  I’ve said the same thing about edmunds his first 4 years-  if he continues to play like he had been, he won’t be worth his next contract.  I never said he was bad.  I said he was an average to an above average LB. He played much better in 2022.  I was hoping we could sign him for 12-14M aav but figured someone would pay a lot more.  Someone did and I’m glad we didn’t try and match it.  He was overpaid imo.  

[Eastport bills]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“They” being 3rd in pass D doesn’t mean “he” was good in pass D.  
 

Spending a second round pick and wasting its 4 year rookie salary on an overrated LB that can’t cover and signing that guy to a big extension might be the worst possible move Beane could make. Just awful. 
 

Edmunds killer?  Does anyone here  think I was an edmunds killer?  I’ve said the same thing about edmunds his first 4 years-  if he continues to play like he had been, he won’t be worth his next contract.  I never said he was bad.  I said he was an average to an above average LB. He played much better in 2022.  I was hoping we could sign him for 12-14M aav but figured someone would pay a lot more.  Someone did and I’m glad we didn’t try and match it.  He was overpaid imo.  

How many Devin Whites are there at pick 59 in this year’s draft? You self styled capologists are all worried about sacrificing a 2 rd rookie contract for an “overrated LB”. Half the 2rd draft choices never get to year 4. Again he’s overrated because New Era, who watched him in 3 games last year says so and who denigrates every personal and team statistic that says otherwise. Remember, on a team that won a SB in his 2nd year and was one play away from going to the NFC championship the next year with him having great years in both, he’s calling signals and is Captain.The Bills defense is overrated and in a make or break year, in Josh’s prime, we’re counting on the same D-line, without the Miller for who knows, and without Edmunds. You think this team as presently constructed can stop the new look AFCE and the 1st place finishers on our schedule?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

How many Devin Whites are there at pick 59 in this year’s draft? You self styled capologists are all worried about sacrificing a 2 rd rookie contract for an “overrated LB”. Half the 2rd draft choices never get to year 4. Again he’s overrated because New Era, who watched him in 3 games last year says so and who denigrates every personal and team statistic that says otherwise. Remember, on a team that won a SB in his 2nd year and was one play away from going to the NFC championship the next year with him having great years in both, he’s calling signals and is Captain.The Bills defense is overrated and in a make or break year, in Josh’s prime, we’re counting on the same D-line, without the Miller for who knows, and without Edmunds. You think this team as presently constructed can stop the new look AFCE and the 1st place finishers on our schedule?

We’ll wait and see what Beane does.  
 

Does anyone on the board, other than @Eastport bills and @FireChansthink it’s a good idea to trade a 2nd rd pick + a future pick for White + sign him to an extension?  How much aav for the extension? 
 

 

[Big C]

Called this a bit ago. Makes sense. Need someone who has played and been successful in this system.

[Eastport bills]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We’ll wait and see what Beane does.  
 

Does anyone on the board, other than @Eastport bills and @FireChansthink it’s a good idea to trade a 2nd rd pick + a future pick for White + sign him to an extension?  How much aav for the extension? 
 

 

Should we care what the fans on the board agree with? Half of them wanted Edmunds traded for a late model blocking sled. Name for me the 2nd rounder, we drafted, that were productive (other than Edmunds) and were starters before they were dumped. The draft is a crapshoot, White is perfect for our situation. I can’t help the fact that Beane overpaid for many FAs and we’re in cap purgatory.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Eastport bills said:

Should we care what the fans on the board agree with? Half of them wanted Edmunds traded for a late model blocking sled. Name for me the 2nd rounder, we drafted, that were productive (other than Edmunds) and were starters before they were dumped. The draft is a crapshoot, White is perfect for our situation. I can’t help the fact that Beane overpaid for many FAs and we’re in cap purgatory.

A LB due to make 10m this season and bigger bucks after this season is NOT perfect for this situation.  Trading a 2nd round pick and a pick this year makes him even less perfect.  The salary cap is real.  It’s the reason that Tremaine is gone. But we should trade draft picks for a lesser player that will want to get paid the same.  
 

using Beanes last 2nd round picks as reason to make the trade is laughable.  Cook is a very good player and will be a big part of our offense going forward.  Just because 3 other picks look to be busts doesn’t change the fact that he can still hit a home run this year by potentially adding a 4 year rookie contract to the starting lineup for 3-4 years.  Assuming that he will pick a bad players is just ignorant.  
 

agree to disagree.  

10 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Should we care what the fans on the board agree with? Half of them wanted Edmunds traded for a late model blocking sled. Name for me the 2nd rounder, we drafted, that were productive (other than Edmunds) and were starters before they were dumped. The draft is a crapshoot, White is perfect for our situation. I can’t help the fact that Beane overpaid for many FAs and we’re in cap purgatory.

So again, how much do you want to sign Devin White for?  What contract?  

[Einstein's Dog]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We’ll wait and see what Beane does.  
 

Does anyone on the board, other than @Eastport bills and @FireChansthink it’s a good idea to trade a 2nd rd pick + a future pick for White + sign him to an extension?  How much aav for the extension? 
 

 

Hell no.  The unspoken plan has been to divert salaries/cost from the defense to offense.  Signing D White would be moving in the opposite direction. 

 

The FO let Edmunds go, played hard ball w Poyer, and probably is still contemplating moves with Oliver.  They let Frazier leave and have put more emphasis on defensive scheming in the hands of McD, to do more with less.

 

I think/hope if any splash move is to be made, it would be for WR.

 

[Eastport bills]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

A LB due to make 10m this season and bigger bucks after this season is NOT perfect for this situation.  Trading a 2nd round pick and a pick this year makes him even less perfect.  The salary cap is real.  It’s the reason that Tremaine is gone. But we should trade draft picks for a lesser player that will want to get paid the same.  
 

using Beanes last 2nd round picks as reason to make the trade is laughable.  Cook is a very good player and will be a big part of our offense going forward.  Just because 3 other picks look to be busts doesn’t change the fact that he can still hit a home run this year by potentially adding a 4 year rookie contract to the starting lineup for 3-4 years.  Assuming that he will pick a bad players is just ignorant.  
 

agree to disagree.  

So again, how much do you want to sign Devin White for?  What contract?  

You’re diminishing Beane’s inability to get Wagner,David, Kendrick, Okereke, Singleton, Edwards or Bush for less. Why can’t you accept we couldn’t stop Miami twice (once with a 3rd string QB)Cinn. twice, and it is no guarantee we will address the LB void in the first 3 picks. I’m not saying his picks won’t be good, even later rounds, but I know how active Edmunds was and what kind of player is needed. That player is not on the roster. Ignorant is  a bad choice of words, especially since we’re all just taking a position.

[Paup 1995MVP]

6 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Some of the best said stuff in quite some time. I concur.

More very well said stuff. Today has been some good reads.👍

Thank you BeaneBandit.  I appreciate that.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

You’re diminishing Beane’s inability to get Wagner,David, Kendrick, Okereke, Singleton, Edwards or Bush for less. Why can’t you accept we couldn’t stop Miami twice (once with a 3rd string QB)Cinn. twice, and it is no guarantee we will address the LB void in the first 3 picks. I’m not saying his picks won’t be good, even later rounds, but I know how active Edmunds was and what kind of player is needed. That player is not on the roster. Ignorant is  a bad choice of words, especially since we’re all just taking a position.

“Why can’t you accept we couldn’t stop Miami twice?”  Lol.  Talk about moving the goalposts.  Now I remember why I haven’t quoted any of your posts for a long time.  
 

why can’t you accept that we scored 10 points in the AFCCF with a completely healthy OFFENSIVE roster.  The Miami games you speak of, we were missing all pro players on DEFENSE and others were injured. The O was healthy and couldn’t move the ball….. vs the bengals D.  
 

I won’t be back to this conversation.  👋🏻 

Edited April 18, 2023 by NewEra

[Eastport bills]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“Why can’t you accept we couldn’t stop Miami twice?”  Lol.  Talk about moving the goalposts.  Now I remember why I haven’t quoted any of your posts for a long time.  
 

why can’t you accept that we scored 10 points in the AFCCF with a completely healthy OFFENSIVE roster.  The Miami games you speak of, we were missing all pro players on DEFENSE and others were injured. The O was healthy and couldn’t move the ball….. vs the bengals D.  
 

I won’t be back to this conversation.  👋🏻 

No excuses for injuries. Miller’s coming off an ACL, Hyde.was out but the defense got pushed around. We brought in a decent safety but lost Edmunds. Look at Florio’s post on doing nothing with the cap space to make Josh’s life easier. With all the restructuring of contracts, we haven’t improved the defense or added meaningful offensive weapons. Do you think your knee jerk judgments on players and your blessings on contracts make it an honor to get a response from you. You’re just a guy that takes himself too seriously. 

[3rdand12]

Klein is a good addition. Much more work to be done during draft and post draft
Simply put.

[Niagara Dude]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:35 AM, SCBills said:

Im certainly not a Beane/McDermott apologist but I like this team much better than last years team already.  
 

McGovern >>> Saffold

Harty & Sherfield have more potential than McKenzie & Street FA’s

 

Harris makes more sense on this team than Singletary

 

Year 2 of Dorsey and Year 2 of Kromer

 

On Defense, we lost Edmunds and added Rapp.   Sure, we’ve technically downgraded on this side of the ball, but it’s one position (MLB) and we modestly improved on Offense before the Draft. 

I’ll take it.  
 

Chiefs and Bengals both lost some talent as well.  Sure, the Dolphins and, presumably, Jets got better but we can only worry about ourselves and with Allen, we still clear both those teams talent-wise. 

Harris is the one major improvement and everyone blaming the line for our running game will see how average Singeltary was