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1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I am not joking. JK was a womanizing douche before settling down... You  don't remember the stories?

 

JK was a complete douche-nozzle.  If social media was around then…oh dear.

 

Then he went and got “saved” and had a bunch of legitimately awful stuff happen around him (Hunter, cancer, etc.).

 

The young generation of Bills fans have no idea…they just see his presence now.

 

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34 minutes ago, eball said:

 

JK was a complete douche-nozzle.  If social media was around then…oh dear.

 

Then he went and got “saved” and had a bunch of legitimately awful stuff happen around him (Hunter, cancer, etc.).

 

The young generation of Bills fans have no idea…they just see his presence now.

 

Yup. I was trying to be nice. If SocialMedia was around when that dude was in college @ Miami, he'd be toast!  Oh, you forgot the float plane crash in the Bering Sea Alaska... What was up with that? 

 

4 straight SBs losses... All kinds of crazy crap. Karma catching up with him for past bad actions?

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-kelly-in-plane-crash/

 

 

 

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Posted
5 hours ago, extrahammer said:

 

There's a iine at Dave and Buster's? lol 

that line to recharge your powercard at the front desk can get pretty gnarly on the weekends.

Posted
3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I am not joking. JK was a womanizing douche before settling down... You  don't remember the stories?


I do. Kelly is also enshrined through the city and some people ignore that part of him and waive their hand at it so I am never sure.

 

When you say settle down, he was certainly running around town with women while he was married. I have stories of him teeing off on people/kids in public all the way to about 2010.

 

I feel bad for Jim’s health, but I am no Jim Kelly fan as a person. 

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6 minutes ago, Mango said:


I do. Kelly is also enshrined through the city and some people ignore that part of him and waive their hand at it so I am never sure.

 

When you say settle down, he was certainly running around town with women while he was married. I have stories of him teeing off on people/kids in public all the way to about 2010.

 

I feel bad for Jim’s health, but I am no Jim Kelly fan as a person. 

Let's just say he was playing games without frontiers too... lol...

 

Hiding out in treetops, shouting out rude names and throwing water balloons at women too...

 

At least Josh didn't cause a root canal procedure to be done. /Smirk 

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-04-05-9001290953-story.html

 

 

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Yeah Jim Kelly was arrogant and handsome.  ............And a star athlete whilst at the U of Miami .  ..............Who had relations with a lot of women there,,,,,,, .................And then he met Jill from Attica..................The rest is history.now  a totally devoutly Christian husband, father and football icon NFL Hall of Famer,. #12

 

And now we have Josh Allen #17. A guy who has seemingly just broken up with his long time sweetheart Britt. She removing all his pics from Instagram in the day of social media is pretty telling.

 

This news makes me sad. They were a gorgeous couple. If this news makes me as s  fan sad imagine how the families and friends must be feeling

 

yes it is tabloid fodder and yes he and she have  right to their private lives. But it just makes me sad. The king of WNY has seemingly broken with his ladyfaire.

 

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30 minutes ago, muppy said:

Yeah Jim Kelly was arrogant and handsome.  ............And a star athlete whilst at the U of Miami .  ..............Who had relations with a lot of women there,,,,,,, .................And then he met Jill from Attica..................The rest is history.now  a totally devoutly Christian husband, father and football icon NFL Hall of Famer,. #12

 

And now we have Josh Allen #17. A guy who has seemingly just broken up with his long time sweetheart Britt. She removing all his pics from Instagram in the day of social media is pretty telling.

 

This news makes me sad. They were a gorgeous couple. If this news makes me as s  fan sad imagine how the families and friends must be feeling

 

yes it is tabloid fodder and yes he and she have  right to their private lives. But it just makes me sad. The king of WNY has seemingly broken with his ladyfaire.

 

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It is sad when any long term relationship breaks up. We don't know what happened and we never will - while it's always easy to try and blame breakups on someone, sometimes people just decide they're no longer good together - it happens. Public folks are entitled to their privacy like anyone else on such matters.

 

Regardless, I hope the parties get through it OK - I'd hate for this to be a distraction for Josh because in his line of work you have to be all there all the time and the demise of a long term relationship is not easily shrugged off...

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Posted
8 hours ago, mrags said:

Kelly along with many Bills stars of the 90s were absolute douches. 

Like there was a 3 game stretch where Kelly won't throw to Reed because Andre took home a girl that Kelly was going after.

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3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yup. I was trying to be nice. If SocialMedia was around when that dude was in college @ Miami, he'd be toast!  Oh, you forgot the float plane crash in the Bering Sea Alaska... What was up with that? 

 

4 straight SBs losses... All kinds of crazy crap. Karma catching up with him for past bad actions?

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-kelly-in-plane-crash/

 

 

 

Are you seriously talking about someone getting cancer or having to go through what they did with Hunter as “karma”?

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1 hour ago, Draconator said:

Like there was a 3 game stretch where Kelly won't throw to Reed because Andre took home a girl that Kelly was going after.

 

Funny if true...but we often forget that these players are humans, not robots.  The late Joe Paterno always said he never trusted his players because a guy might have just broken up with his girlfriend last week and play like crap because of it.

 

We all have bad days at work because of non-work related stuff.  We just aren't typically doing our jobs in front of millions of people.

 

 

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2 hours ago, muppy said:

Yeah Jim Kelly was arrogant and handsome.  ............And a star athlete whilst at the U of Miami .  ..............Who had relations with a lot of women there,,,,,,, .................And then he met Jill from Attica..................The rest is history.now  a totally devoutly Christian husband, father and football icon NFL Hall of Famer,. #12

 

And now we have Josh Allen #17. A guy who has seemingly just broken up with his long time sweetheart Britt. She removing all his pics from Instagram in the day of social media is pretty telling.

 

This news makes me sad. They were a gorgeous couple. If this news makes me as s  fan sad imagine how the families and friends must be feeling

 

yes it is tabloid fodder and yes he and she have  right to their private lives. But it just makes me sad. The king of WNY has seemingly broken with his ladyfaire.

 

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OK....and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you. 

I wish the man no ill will, but your assertion that the conversations around Kelly's treatment of people (women in particular) is relegated to his time at Miami, and that he just met Jill, straightened out, and found God is silly. 

Brett Favre loves Jesus too. Or does finding god only absolve some peoples behaviors?

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16 hours ago, Draconator said:

I one time sat at a table with Thurman and this girl I worked with at Waterbeds and Stuff. She brought a blonde-haired friend along. At the end of the night, Thurman writes his number on a piece of paper and slides it into her front pocket, and lets his hand "linger" in the pocket for a few extra seconds. 

 

But I also went to high school with his wife Patti. She literally turned the other way with Thurman's extracurricular activities. They have a very healthy and strong marriage today. 

 

Not talking about Thurman and Patti specifically rather open relationships and polyamory.

 

I have a few polyamorous friends in with long term significant others. Over the years I have also found myself in an "entanglement" or two with other women who are in the similar types of relationships. My polyamorous "partners" and friends generally have some of the most healthy lines of communication between them and their partners. It is really amazing and impressive. That level of openness, honesty, and vulnerability is something that I have tried to bring into my monogamous relationships. 

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3 hours ago, muppy said:

Yeah Jim Kelly was arrogant and handsome.  ............And a star athlete whilst at the U of Miami .  ..............Who had relations with a lot of women there,,,,,,, .................And then he met Jill from Attica..................The rest is history.now  a totally devoutly Christian husband, father and football icon NFL Hall of Famer,. #12

 

It's not that simple, Muppy. 

Kelly was still running around cheating on his wife for years after they married in 1996.  Reportedly his mother-in-law once gave him an ultimatum: tell his wife himself what was going on, or she would.  And, he pretty much left his wife to soldier through the daily burden of caring for a special needs child with a fatal genetic disease while being a mother to two other girls. 

 

A lot of the wives from that era of the Bills apparently made a decision to overlook serial cheating (Patti Thomas, Janine Talley, Jill Kelly etc)  It seems plausible that if the team as a whole had been less into partying and wenching (at least during the season) and a bit more into working on their game, we might have a Lombardi or two in Buffalo.

 

Most people are complicated, and Jim Kelly was more complicated than most.  And yes, he is a devoted Christian husband and father now....but he wasn't for many years after he married, more than a decade according to Jill's memoir.

 

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1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

OK....and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you. 

I wish the man no ill will, but your assertion that the conversations around Kelly's treatment of people (women in particular) is relegated to his time at Miami, and that he just met Jill, straightened out, and found God is silly. 

Brett Favre loves Jesus too. Or does finding god only absolve some peoples behaviors?

wow well I might not have felt it totally necessary to write every single bit of dirt regarding his life. *shrugs* 

43 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's not that simple, Muppy. 

Kelly was still running around cheating on his wife for years after they married in 1996.  Reportedly his mother-in-law once gave him an ultimatum: tell his wife himself what was going on, or she would.  And, he pretty much left his wife to soldier through the daily burden of caring for a special needs child with a fatal genetic disease while being a mother to two other girls. 

 

A lot of the wives from that era of the Bills apparently made a decision to overlook serial cheating (Patti Thomas, Janine Talley, Jill Kelly etc)  It seems plausible that if the team as a whole had been less into partying and wenching (at least during the season) and a bit more into working on their game, we might have a Lombardi or two in Buffalo.

 

Most people are complicated, and Jim Kelly was more complicated than most.  And yes, he is a devoted Christian husband and father now....but he wasn't for many years after he married, more than a decade according to Jill's memoir.

 

I wasn't aware this was the rehash every bit of #12's life but so be it. *shrugs again* Is this the #12 thread or #17. either way Im Out.

 

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7 minutes ago, muppy said:

wow well I might not have felt it totally necessary to write every single bit of dirt regarding his life. *shrugs* 

I wasn't aware this was the rehash every bit of #12's life but so be it. *shrugs again* Is this the #12 thread or #17. either way Im Out.

 

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I didn’t rehash every event in his life. In fact I didn’t list a single instance whatsoever. I just said Kelly was a dick to people well after college, and certainly after marriage. Finding Jesus isn’t a fix all.

 

It was something like 4-5 total sentences. Much like this post. 
 

Praise be, or whatever…

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Just now, Mango said:


I didn’t rehash every event in his life. In fact I didn’t list a single instance whatsoever. I just said Kelly was a dick to people well after college, and certainly after marriage. Finding Jesus isn’t a fix all.

 

It was something like 4-5 total sentences. Much like this post. 
 

Praise be, or whatever…

I choose whatever

Posted
13 minutes ago, muppy said:

Is this the #12 thread or #17

 

Well, it's a #17 thread, but when JK's name is brought up I, for one, feel some sort of obligation to remind those who weren't around or old enough to remember the 90s in WNY of what kind of a person he was.  It wasn't pretty -- even after he was married.  It took a whole lot of really terrible stuff happening in his life for JK to "morph" into what we see today.

 

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Just now, eball said:

 

Well, it's a #17 thread, but when JK's name is brought up I, for one, feel some sort of obligation to remind those who weren't around or old enough to remember the 90s in WNY of what kind of a person he was.  It wasn't pretty -- even after he was married.  It took a whole lot of really terrible stuff happening in his life for JK to "morph" into what we see today.

 

so be it. I personally dont see how dredging up a guys past in a thread where his only relevance is having been a QB for the Bills relates to Josh Allen. 

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