Zerovoltz Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 Tyler Scott is diet Tyreek. (I hope the Chiefs take him, and not the Bills) I agree that this class is WEAK at the top. No sure thing, no consensus at all on the top 5 or even 10....everyone is all over. If anything, alot of these guys are scheme specifice in some way and are better fits on some teams instead of others. 20-31 are rough places to be in this draft. 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Dr. Who said: It's a terrible draft for WR. If you want a slot, Zay Flowers or Josh Downs fit, but I wouldn't take them at 27 and they won't make it to 59. Taking Mingo in the first is absolute crazy talk. I am a broken record on this: there aren't any good WR2. You can try someone like Mingo with a mid-round pick. Basically the Gabe Davis experiment. Maybe it works. Staff may love Gabe's work ethic. His numbers are not bad, but he's not that good. I would go after Dalton Kincaid. He'll be better than the WR choices on the board if he isn't picked before 27. Zay Flowers has been my guy for a while. He can be moved all around, but immediately contribute in the slot. Doubt he makes it to 27 now, he's been moving up draft boards...reminds me of Dotson (Penn St WR LY), and likely goes in the high teens/early 20s. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 And yet the Mock draft on this very board has the Bills going WR in Round One taking Jordan Addison, USC. 😳 1 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: That's the same kind of logic that lead the Chiefs to draft Clyde Edwards Helaire in round 1. Reaching for need at a non-premium position........which slot-WR-only is......is a recipe for draft disappointment. I know that some people don't get this concept and think the slot receiver has to be a small target smurf with quicks..........but if you run a lot of 11 personnel you want 3 WR's who can play outside at a high level and ALSO in the slot. Like the aforementioned Bengals. Forget peak Beasley.........he was just barely good enough at his best for what the Bills SHOULD give Allen in the slot. Gotta' raise the bar. Exactly! Keenan Allen, Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, DeAndre Hopkins, etc all play in the slot when called upon. Like Florio said, the Bills should be aiming to draft someone who can fill Diggs shoes. 2 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: First of all, has anyone listened to Beane and McDermott talk about Gabe Davis? They freaking love the guy. I don't think our efforts to add to WR this offseason have been/will be about replacing Gabe Davis so much as getting him back to what he does best. I think Davis is a good starting WR, just not great. But Cincinnati, Philadelphia and Miami are the exceptions, not the rule when it comes to 1-2 punches at WR. What Josh Allen really thrives with is an Elite slot WR, as we learned with Beas. What's this draft full of? Potentially good to great slot WRs. I looked at Dane Brugler's "The Beast" over at The Athletic and the VAAAASSSST majority of the top 14 WRs are slot WRs. And all 14 of those are in his top 100 And also, Brugler has 15 WRs in his top 100. From JSN to Jordan Addison to Zay Flowers to Josh Downs to A.T Perry to Tank Dell... this draft is STACKED with WRs who project to the slot. It really makes me think this might be a repeat of last year and 2020 when we knew WR was a need but we waited to draft one til the mid to late rounds. That said... I would friggin LOVE JSN on this team! Great post! Agree about slot WR being a need, opening up the passing game. Hope I'm wrong about Skakir, but I see a backup. Counting on him to take over, is a big risk. Harty is the ideal #4, per Beane himself...and don't think he's durable enough for a full time role. Zay Flowers is an ideal fit in our offense. Explosive, RAC ability but likely won't be there at 27 (hope I'm wrong). Jayden Reed is another 2nd-3rd round option at slot WR. Not as explosive as Flowers, but brings an edge and likely better blocking ability. Quote
LEBills Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 This is gonna be one of those years WR 6-10 outperforms WR 2-5, I think. JSN will be good then Flowers Addison Johnston Hyatt are all going to depend on the offense. then later Tillman, Mingo, Scott, Rice and AT Perry are better sized, all played outside and either have had production or were stuck with some garbage QBs. AT Perry looks like Clemson Tee Higgins to me. Long, bendy, and really uses that length well to separate from corners that he can’t outrun. Hartman was a garbage QB in a weird offense and Perry still had two great seasons. Watching some of his pre-draft interviews were impressive too. But honestly I could see a path for any of those WRs being viewed as day 2 picks turning into good WRs but no sure thing (aside from Perry imo haha). Quote
Hebert19 Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 2 hours ago, DJB said: This isn’t the year to go WR. The class is super weak at the top. I think that's what's being said. He's not saying first round but it's a deep slot draft. Could get an impact player on 2nd or 3rd. Quote
wppete Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 2nd Round - WR, Josh Downs, NC 4th Round - TE, Josh Whyle, Cincinnati Quote
1billsfan Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/football/hyatt-pinned-as-second-best-receiver I think Hyatt would be the perfect pick at #27. He just might be the most media and fan underrated draft prospect in this draft. The Bills have an over thirty Diggs and they also have Davis on the last year of his contract. They already have a couple options at slot on this team. They are in need of an outside guy. Allen and Hyatt would be a seriously dangerous combo IMO. 3 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said: Zay Flowers has been my guy for a while. He can be moved all around, but immediately contribute in the slot. Doubt he makes it to 27 now, he's been moving up draft boards...reminds me of Dotson (Penn St WR LY), and likely goes in the high teens/early 20s. I'd rather have a larger guy, but I do think he ought to be a consideration if he should fall to 27. Quote
whorlnut Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: “No WR is worth it at 27” seems to be the favorite narrative now. Immediately followed by a disclaimer that nobody of value will make it to 59. Yeah…the idea of not getting a guy that could upgrade what we already have makes me sick to my core. If we don't make a play on a WR in 1 or through a trade down, it’s gonna be nauseating watching all the receivers come off the board before we pick again at 59. 1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said: Tyler Scott is diet Tyreek. (I hope the Chiefs take him, and not the Bills) I agree that this class is WEAK at the top. No sure thing, no consensus at all on the top 5 or even 10....everyone is all over. If anything, alot of these guys are scheme specifice in some way and are better fits on some teams instead of others. 20-31 are rough places to be in this draft. You “hope” the chiefs get a guy that you compare to tyreke hill and not the bills? You must be a chiefs fan, because why would you want that to happen? Quote
Doc Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 They're not drafting another slot guy with Shakir, Harty and Sherfield in the fold. 1 Quote
whorlnut Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: They're not drafting another slot guy with Shakir, Harty and Sherfield in the fold. Shakir is unproven and Harty and Sherfield are on one year deals. 1 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Yeah…the idea of not getting a guy that could upgrade what we already have makes me sick to my core. If we don't make a play on a WR in 1 or through a trade down, it’s gonna be nauseating watching all the receivers come off the board before we pick again at 59. You “hope” the chiefs get a guy that you compare to tyreke hill and not the bills? You must be a chiefs fan, because why would you want that to happen? Yeah, I said without a ton of thought that 10 WRs are going to go in the first two rounds, and I immediately got I’ll bet you on that statements. 1. Jaxson Smith-Ngijba 2. Quentin Johnston 3. Jordan Addison 4. Zay Flowers 5. Jalin Hyatt 6. Josh Downs Now if you’re the Bills are you waiting until 59 to pick from: 7. Cedrick Tillman 8. Tank Dell 9. Rashee Rice 10. Jonathan Mingo 11. Tyler Scott Quote
Doc Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Shakir is unproven and Harty and Sherfield are on one year deals. Harty's deal is for 2 years, but obviously they can get out of it after a year. They need an outside guy. 2 Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Harty's deal is for 2 years, but obviously they can get out of it after a year. They need an outside guy. I think you're looking at JSN, Johnston, and Addison in the first, Hyatt in the second. Anything after that you are taking a flier on someone like Mingo, Scott, or Rice. I would not take any of the latter at 59. Johnston is very boom or bust, so not sure you want to risk that. JSN is likely first WR off the board. Addison remains the most likely to possibly be there at 27 as a pretty solid pick in this draft with a high floor. Quote
Rockinon Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 I think many on this board see the need for a quality WR on the team. However, I also think many are overvaluing the WRs in a weak WR draft because of that need. It would be nice to see the the front office go offense in the first round. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. A quality offensive lineman, TE or RB, may not be a bad pick, but I can see another defensive selection. Someone like Mingo in he 2nd or 3rd might pan out. Honestly though, no one really knows what the Bills brass will decide to do in the 1st round. Going to come down to who falls to pick 27. I just don't think this is the year that Bean attempts to trade up. Thinking it's going to be either stand pat or trade down. Of course, I'm just an armchair GM myself, so what do I know? Quote
BigAl2526 Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 The guy I'm curious about is Dezmon Patmon, who is already on the Bills roster. He came out of college with numerous flaws in his game. The question I have is have NFL coaches been able to light any kind of fire under him to address those issues. The dude is 6'4" weighs 225 and runs a 4.42 and most of his shortcomings appear to be things that can be improved. 2 Quote
Doc Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: The guy I'm curious about is Dezmon Patmon, who is already on the Bills roster. He came out of college with numerous flaws in his game. The question I have is have NFL coaches been able to light any kind of fire under him to address those issues. The dude is 6'4" weighs 225 and runs a 4.42 and most of his shortcomings appear to be things that can be improved. I missed that signing. But likely nothing more than camp fodder. Quote
Snappysnackcakes Posted April 15, 2023 Posted April 15, 2023 I have a feeling they’re high on Tank Dell. Don’t ask me why, just my gut telling me this. 1 Quote
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