This might be the perfect WR class for the Bills to draft one in the mid rounds

[transplantbillsfan]

First of all, has anyone listened to Beane and McDermott talk about Gabe Davis? They freaking love the guy. 

 

I don't think our efforts to add to WR this offseason have been/will be about replacing Gabe Davis so much as getting him back to what he does best. I think Davis is a good starting WR, just not great. But Cincinnati, Philadelphia and Miami are the exceptions, not the rule when it comes to 1-2 punches at WR. 

 

What Josh Allen really thrives with is an Elite slot WR, as we learned with Beas.

 

What's this draft full of?

 

Potentially good to great slot WRs.

 

I looked at Dane Brugler's "The Beast" over at The Athletic and the VAAAASSSST majority of the top 14 WRs are slot WRs.

 

And all 14 of those are in his top 100

 

And also, Brugler has 15 WRs in his top 100. From JSN to Jordan Addison to Zay Flowers to Josh Downs to A.T Perry to Tank Dell... this draft is STACKED with WRs who project to the slot.

 

It really makes me think this might be a repeat of last year and 2020 when we knew WR was a need but we waited to draft one til the mid to late rounds.

 

That said... I would friggin LOVE JSN on this team!

Edited April 15, 2023 by transplantbillsfan

[Buffalo Barbarian]

As long as its not round one.

 

Get the shiftiest , YAK guy out there.

 

 

[Nephilim17]

Interesting angle. But Shakir could be that guy and had pretty good scouting reports last year. So do we double down and draft someone just for the sake of slot competition with Shakir? Or did the staff suddenly lose faith in him after seeing him every day for a year.

I won't be against drafting a slot guy but I hope it's not with the first. Shore up the O-line and draft a slot guy in the third or fourth.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

First of all, has anyone listened to Beane and McDermott talk about Gabe Davis? They freaking love the guy. 

 

I don't think our efforts to add to WR this offseason have been/will be about replacing Gabe Davis so much as getting him back to what he does best. I think Davis is a good starting WR, just not great. But Cincinnati, Philadelphia and Miami are the exceptions, not the rule when it comes to 1-2 punches at WR. 

 

What Josh Allen really thrives with is an Elite slot WR, as we learned with Beas.

 

What's this draft full of?

 

Potentially good to great slot WRs.

 

I looked at Dane Brugler's "The Beast" over at The Athletic and the VAAAASSSST majority of the top 14 WRs are slot WRs.

 

And all 14 of those are in his top 100

 

And also, Brugler has 15 WRs in his top 100. From JSN to Jordan Addison to Zay Flowers to Josh Downs to A.T Perry to Tank Dell... this draft is STACKED with WRs who project to the slot.

 

It really makes me think this might be a repeat of last year and 2020 when we knew WR was a need but we waited to draft one til the mid to late rounds.

 

That said... I would friggin LOVE JSN on this team!

 

 

That's the same kind of logic that lead the Chiefs to draft Clyde Edwards Helaire in round 1.

 

Reaching for need at a non-premium position........which slot-WR-only is......is a recipe for draft disappointment.

 

I know that some people don't get this concept and think the slot receiver has to be a small target smurf with quicks..........but if you run a lot of 11 personnel you want 3 WR's who can play outside at a high level and ALSO in the slot.   Like the aforementioned Bengals.  

 

Forget peak Beasley.........he was just barely good enough at his best for what the Bills SHOULD give Allen in the slot.    Gotta' raise the bar.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That's the same kind of logic that lead the Chiefs to draft Clyde Edwards Helaire in round 1.

 

Reaching for need at a non-premium position........which slot-WR-only is......is a recipe for draft disappointment.

 

I know that some people don't get this concept and think the slot receiver has to be a small target smurf with quicks..........but if you run a lot of 11 personnel you want 3 WR's who can play outside at a high level and ALSO in the slot.   Like the aforementioned Bengals.  

 

Forget peak Beasley.........he was just barely good enough at his best for what the Bills SHOULD give Allen in the slot.    Gotta' raise the bar.

 

I'd be interested in seeing Diggs in the slot with Shakir and Gabe outside. Maybe draft Hyatt in the second round. Sprinkle in Harty when he is available knock-on wood. 

[Doc Brown]

Congrats on that glass half full perspective.  Diggs is almost 30.  Davis has been underwhelming as WR2 who's in the last year of his contract.  We should be looking to draft a future Diggs replacement who can play on the outside as the WR2 in the meantime. Unfortunately, this WR draft class is abhorrent. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'd be interested in seeing Diggs in the slot with Shakir and Gabe outside. Maybe draft Hyatt in the second round. Sprinkle in Harty when he is available knock-on wood. 

 

 

I just don't have any confidence in Shakir outside.   He's kind of a taint.   Neither an ideal slot or a promising outside WR2.    DC's aren't going to lose any sleep worrying about matching up with a T-Rex armed guy like Shakir outside.   The guy added to the Diggs/Davis mix has to be able to slot in between Diggs and Davis as the WR2 in terms of the attention the defense has to pay to him.   I think Shakir will fill a niche role that could be quite valuable but I don't see him as WR2 on this team.

[Nephilim17]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I just don't have any confidence in Shakir outside.   He's kind of a taint.   Neither an ideal slot or a promising outside WR2.    DC's aren't going to lose any sleep worrying about matching up with a T-Rex armed guy like Shakir outside.   The guy added to the Diggs/Davis mix has to be able to slot in between Diggs and Davis as the WR2 in terms of the attention the defense has to pay to him.   I think Shakir will fill a niche role that could be quite valuable but I don't see him as WR2 on this team.

I'm not saying Shakir is a good #2, but what makes him a less than ideal slot guy? He seems to have the quickness, decent speed, good hands, smart...

[BigAl2526]

I don't happen to think the Bills are hurting that much in the slot.  They have several players who should be right at home there, including Harty, Shakir and Sherfield.  I think Sherfield can probably line up inside or outside, as can Diggs.  There are plenty of slot guys buffalo could go after if they want, after round one.

[gobills404]

48 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

As long as its not round one.

 

Get the shiftiest , YAK guy out there.

 

 

So you want Zay Flowers who’s going in round 1

[Big Blitz]

Mingo is my favorite WR in this draft.  I’m at the point I’ll need to be talked out of round 1 - he won’t be there late in RD 2.  And if we’re targeting a WR anyway - over draft at pick 27.  That’s just fine.  Get the WR you (me) want and you get the 5th year option.   

 

We have slot guys.  We need big guys.  And this one runs a 4’4 forty.  
 

 

 

“Going with a deep cut here. Somehow, a 6'2", 220-pound receiver with decent production in the SEC and elite athleticism has gone relatively unnoticed in this class.

 

Jonathan Mingo is one of just 12 prospects in this year's class to have a 9.9 or higher relative athletic score based on Kent Lee Platte's formula.

 

Mingo ran a 4.46 40-yard dash at the combine, has plenty of good blocking reps on his film and showed off some sudden burst in his route-running at the Senior Bowl.

 

The production wasn't great for Mingo at Ole Miss. He was second on the team in receiving with 51 receptions and 861 yards and five touchdowns, but Ole Miss quarterback Jaxson Dart was only a sophomore and is still refining his game.

 

Mingo is a player whose best days could happen in the league. At Ole Miss, he lined up in the slot and on the outside. There aren't many receivers who can be had on Day 3 of the draft with that kind of positional versatility.

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10071146-the-most-overlooked-player-at-every-position-in-2023-nfl-draft.amp.html

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'd be interested in seeing Diggs in the slot with Shakir and Gabe outside. Maybe draft Hyatt in the second round. Sprinkle in Harty when he is available knock-on wood. 

Shakir is not a bonfife outside guy … he’s a tweener slot WR… he would really struggle with outside press corners Running a 4.40 

 

hes all over the middle 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'd be interested in seeing Diggs in the slot with Shakir and Gabe outside. Maybe draft Hyatt in the second round. Sprinkle in Harty when he is available knock-on wood. 

 

Shakir can't play outside. 

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That's the same kind of logic that lead the Chiefs to draft Clyde Edwards Helaire in round 1.

 

Reaching for need at a non-premium position........which slot-WR-only is......is a recipe for draft disappointment.

 

I know that some people don't get this concept and think the slot receiver has to be a small target smurf with quicks..........but if you run a lot of 11 personnel you want 3 WR's who can play outside at a high level and ALSO in the slot.   Like the aforementioned Bengals.  

 

Forget peak Beasley.........he was just barely good enough at his best for what the Bills SHOULD give Allen in the slot.    Gotta' raise the bar.

 

Holy crap...

 

I'm trying to say the opposite.

 

There are soooo many good slot WRs in this draft Buffalo can afford to wait.

 

Didn't I say that?

[Dr. Who]

It's a terrible draft for WR. If you want a slot, Zay Flowers or Josh Downs fit, but I wouldn't take them at 27 and they won't make it to 59.

Taking Mingo in the first is absolute crazy talk. I am a broken record on this: there aren't any good WR2. You can try someone like Mingo with a mid-round pick. Basically the Gabe Davis experiment. Maybe it works. Staff may love Gabe's work ethic. His numbers are not bad, but he's not that good. I would go after Dalton Kincaid. He'll be better than the WR choices on the board if he isn't picked before 27.

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Get the shiftiest , YAK guy out there

[DJB]

This isn’t the year to go WR. The class is super weak at the top. 
 

 

[NeverOutNick]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Mingo is my favorite WR in this draft.  I’m at the point I’ll need to be talked out of round 1 - he won’t be there late in RD 2.  And if we’re targeting a WR anyway - over draft at pick 27.  That’s just fine.  Get the WR you (me) want and you get the 5th year option.   

 

We have slot guys.  We need big guys.  And this one runs a 4’4 forty.  
 

 

 

“Going with a deep cut here. Somehow, a 6'2", 220-pound receiver with decent production in the SEC and elite athleticism has gone relatively unnoticed in this class.

 

Jonathan Mingo is one of just 12 prospects in this year's class to have a 9.9 or higher relative athletic score based on Kent Lee Platte's formula.

 

Mingo ran a 4.46 40-yard dash at the combine, has plenty of good blocking reps on his film and showed off some sudden burst in his route-running at the Senior Bowl.

 

The production wasn't great for Mingo at Ole Miss. He was second on the team in receiving with 51 receptions and 861 yards and five touchdowns, but Ole Miss quarterback Jaxson Dart was only a sophomore and is still refining his game.

 

Mingo is a player whose best days could happen in the league. At Ole Miss, he lined up in the slot and on the outside. There aren't many receivers who can be had on Day 3 of the draft with that kind of positional versatility.

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10071146-the-most-overlooked-player-at-every-position-in-2023-nfl-draft.amp.html

I like him too because of the potential and would be ecstatic getting him in round 3 but because he needs refinement with route running he doesn’t separate very well at this point in his career. He has that WR 1 upside but needs a year or 2 learning from Diggs on how to run routes. I want at least one plug and play O lineman before we take him so the highest I’d take him is round 2 if we take OL round 1

[JohnBonhamRocks]

A WR at 27 doesn’t have to be able to play inside, outside, and be heir apparent to Diggs. 
 

So long as they can step in as one of our top 3 WRs with an eye toward being a WR2/WR1B, fine by me. 
 

Will keep saying that Addison and Flowers are worth 27 as both can play all over, run great routes, great separation, and can be WR2 at least.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

“No WR is worth it at 27” seems to be the favorite narrative now.

Immediately followed by a disclaimer that nobody of value will make it to 59.