The Wiz Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Damn. Jenna either stole that or is a boss. 2 Quote
newcam2012 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Ravens will way overpay for Beckham but won't pay for a QB that wins them tons of games in the regular season? I don't get the logic. Ravens are making some serious head scratching decisions. They have turned this Jackson situation into a giant mess where they are going to have to trade him. Not sure this is entirely accurate. It takes two to negotiate. Lamar is representing himself and that seems extremely problematic. It's just not the way to get a deal done. For Fing sake hire an agent and pay him their 1 to 3 percent. By many reports his asking price has been almost unreasonable. The Ravens have publicly always backed keeping Lamar. Behind the scenes who really knows the sticking points and truth of the matter. With that said, I believe Lamar shoulders much of the responsibility that a deal hasn't gotten done. Edited April 10, 2023 by newcam2012 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 $4m clearly wasn’t enough … was that Beane’s offer? Quote
Billl Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doc said: The difference is Miller proved to be back to an elite level after his injury. OBJ hasn't played at an elite level in 4+ years and didn't play a single down after tearing his ACL (again), so no one knows what to expect from him. Paying him that much is ridiculous. Never mind that the Ravens have a disgruntled QB and this is an attempt to placate him. They aren’t exact, but they’re very similar. OBJ wasn’t elite all season, but he was in the 2021 postseason. Von was good coming back from his injury in 2021, but he was hardly elite. If you don’t see the similarities, then we just disagree. In my mind, they were both players where you knew there was a larger than usual risk of injury that had to be weighed against their superstar talent. Quote
SCBills Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, Billl said: Was signing Von Miller last year a desperation move, cause this feels a lot like that. Somewhat similar, I guess, but really not at all that close. Both Von vs OBJ and Buffalo’s situation vs Baltimore’s. It’s a stretch to try and compare. 1 Quote
billsbackto81 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Makes me wonder how you feel about Von Miller. Well to be fair he only had 1 ACL injury before we signed him.😋 Quote
billieve420 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 Lamar needs to hire Odell’s Agent who just grifted the Ravens. Quote
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: Somewhat similar, I guess, but really not at all that close. Both Von vs OBJ and Buffalo’s situation vs Baltimore’s. It’s a stretch to try and compare. That poster is a Pats fan…he comes on here and subtly trolls. Quote
4merper4mer Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 The amount of money Beckham got just killed the Hopkins to anywhere rumors IMO. 1 Quote
The Wiz Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The amount of money Beckham got just killed the Hopkins to anywhere rumors IMO. I mean, they were all rumors to begin with but Hopkins could at least sign an extension if the team wanted to trade for him and work the payroll. His best option now is to just be released. Edited April 10, 2023 by The Wiz Quote
newcam2012 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Well to be fair he only had 1 ACL injury before we signed him.😋 I'm more thinking about this season and going forward. The Bills really need Von to be dynamic and dangerous. We saw how Tre came back and wasn't nearly as effective. Not sure that's an accurate measuring stick but it sure brings up concerns. Without Miller, the Bills passing attacked couldn't get it done. What kind of Von do the Bills get this upcoming season? It's not like he's 24. Not sure it's been mentioned. I couldn't help but think where was Von after his injury? He was supposedly the leader of the defense and a teacher to the younger players. He seemingly disappeared. Out of sight out of mind. Almost as if he checked out. Not on the sidelines not anywhere. That doesn't illustrate leadership to me. I'm pretty sure he was able to at least be a supportive leader on the sidelines. If anyone has any insight I'd like to hear it. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree? Just seems bothersome to me. Quote
4merper4mer Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: I mean, they were all rumors to begin with but Hopkins could at least sign an extension if the team wanted to trade for him and work the payroll. His best option now is to just be released. Well Buff, KC, and most of the other real contenders aren’t able to afford that kind of coin for Hopkins even if he was reliable health wise…..which he isn’t or had no PED issues………which he does. Quote
Big Turk Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Not sure this is entirely accurate. It takes two to negotiate. Lamar is representing himself and that seems extremely problematic. It's just not the way to get a deal done. For Fing sake hire an agent and pay him their 1 to 3 percent. By many reports his asking price has been almost unreasonable. The Ravens have publicly always backed keeping Lamar. Behind the scenes who really knows the sticking points and truth of the matter. With that said, I believe Lamar shoulders much of the responsibility that a deal hasn't gotten done. Most of the reason for having an agent and not doing it yourself is to have the agent act as a buffer from having to hear the team argue why they don't believe you deserve that money and try to minimize some of what you accomplished or explain it away... No matter how good the intentions are between the two sides, a player hearing this will always have some level of hurt feelings whereas he would not be privy to all the details and things that were said between the team and agent and the agent would soften whatever negative stuff was said plus he would be hearing it secondhand. This is the biggest issue with players trying to negotiate for themselves. They hear stuff they can never unhear from the team and they are human, it is going to effect their attitude and feelings towards the team in a negative manner. Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I guess I don't know how contracts work. How can you give someone a base salary of 1m+ and incentives of 3m and then give them a 13m+ signing bonus? I thought bonus' had to be a percentage of a contract? How can you give someone a bonus that's like 4 times the amount of the actual contract? Base salaries have a minimum amount based on the player’s number of accrued seasons. That’s the only rule regarding how big or small they can be. OBJ’s salary is exactly the min for a player with the number of years he’s played in the league. A signing bonus can be any amount. It gets prorated evenly over the course of the player’s contract - up to five seasons. The Ravens are using void years (probably 4) to kick most of OBJ’s cap hit into next season. I believe it’s even possible to kick some into 2025 if they cut him using a post June 1st designation before the years officially void. Quote
The Wiz Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Well Buff, KC, and most of the other real contenders aren’t able to afford that kind of coin for Hopkins even if he was reliable health wise…..which he isn’t or had no PED issues………which he does. All of the contenders would need to "kick the can" as they say with his salary in a trade. I thought If he was released a good portion of that stayed with AZ. Depending on when he is cut also. Edited April 10, 2023 by The Wiz Quote
Since1981 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 Well, OBJ didn’t sign cheap and it seems he was not going to give a discount for a “great QB or great team discount”. I guess he was hurt and figured he better get top dollar no matter the circumstances while he can cash in. Quote
Chicken Boo Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 He made the right choice at his age. Secure the bag! Lamar will have him over 1,000 yards, easy, if he stays in Baltimore and OBJ is healthy. Quote
4merper4mer Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Wiz said: All of the contenders would need to "kick the can" as they say with his salary in a trade. I thought If he was released a good portion of that stayed with AZ. Depending on when he is cut also. If he is released any contract is net new. Arizona takes their own cap hit but the new team has to pay him. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if he has a clause allowing him to cancel contract if Lemar cannot be signed to play. Probably so... Laimaid😎 Quote
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