From WR7 to WR1 to one of the best in the NFL

[BillsFan619]

Our very own Stefon Diggs. So glad we have him.

 

If you want to read the whole article, click on the link below the tweet in my post. Go Bills!

 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-nfl-draft-tweet/

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Stevie Johnson also started very low on the depth chart to become the first (at the time) Bills receiver to have 3 straight 1000 yard seasons. Pretty good career for a 7th rounder. 

 

[RiotAct]

Unfortunately, most people would probably name the Unnamable One.

[DJB]

Great another reason for the Patriots to get a comp pick 😡

[4merper4mer]

41 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Unfortunately, most people would probably name the Unnamable One.

What is the name of that person?

[mannc]

17 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Does anyone recall McDermott or Beane being asked what the ideal role would be for Bernard? I think a fan base having to speculate on what role a third-round pick could fulfill, if he progresses the way management hopes.

If so, someone please share. If not, it's kinda nuts that some significant draft capital was spent and the fan base/journalists don't know exactly why. it's not like this should be pentagon secrets. A decent journalist should ask flat out, "if Bernard becomes the player you hope he will be, will he one day start and in what position?"

Don’t hold your breath…

[Nephilim17]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Don’t hold your breath…

Probably not.

 

Sorry, posted the Bernard comment in wrong thread. Will delete in this one and move...

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Stevie Johnson also started very low on the depth chart to become the first (at the time) Bills receiver to have 3 straight 1000 yard seasons. Pretty good career for a 7th rounder. 

 

 

Stevie is so overrated.  His 1000 yards seasons are maybe the 3 weakest in NFL history.  So much gets made of that and it was so over hyped.  I mean he never even reached 1100 yards despite being on a pass happy team allergic to running the ball as the #1 WR.  And in all 3 1000 yard seasons, a good percentage of his production came in garbage time late in games when the game was already decided.  

 

There is a reason he was out of the league 2 years after Buffalo despite going to play in good offenses.  Stevie Johnson was really a decent #3 WR at best who got to be WR1 on a team devoid of options.  And that team was not very good, so they got behind a lot giving him chances to pad underwhelming stats late in games when the game was out of reach.  He would have like 0-2 catches all game, then suddenly get 2 or 3 catches on a end of game drive with a meaningless TD.  Poof...his season end totals look relevant, but they were not.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Unfortunately, most people would probably name the Unnamable One.

Voldamort? 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Stevie is so overrated.  His 1000 yards seasons are maybe the 3 weakest in NFL history.  So much gets made of that and it was so over hyped.  I mean he never even reached 1100 yards despite being on a pass happy team allergic to running the ball as the #1 WR.  And in all 3 1000 yard seasons, a good percentage of his production came in garbage time late in games when the game was already decided.  

 

There is a reason he was out of the league 2 years after Buffalo despite going to play in good offenses.  Stevie Johnson was really a decent #3 WR at best who got to be WR1 on a team devoid of options.  And that team was not very good, so they got behind a lot giving him chances to pad underwhelming stats late in games when the game was out of reach.  He would have like 0-2 catches all game, then suddenly get 2 or 3 catches on an end of game drive with a meaningless TD.  Poof...his season end totals look relevant, but they were not.  

Lol I didn’t say he was the 2nd coming of TO. I said he had a great career for a 7th rounder. The odds are tremendous actually. Hate on Stevie Johnson all u want, but he gave the dark days some kind of excitement and a swagger to those teams. 

[GETTOTHE50]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Stevie is so overrated.  His 1000 yards seasons are maybe the 3 weakest in NFL history.  So much gets made of that and it was so over hyped.  I mean he never even reached 1100 yards despite being on a pass happy team allergic to running the ball as the #1 WR.  And in all 3 1000 yard seasons, a good percentage of his production came in garbage time late in games when the game was already decided.  

 

There is a reason he was out of the league 2 years after Buffalo despite going to play in good offenses.  Stevie Johnson was really a decent #3 WR at best who got to be WR1 on a team devoid of options.  And that team was not very good, so they got behind a lot giving him chances to pad underwhelming stats late in games when the game was out of reach.  He would have like 0-2 catches all game, then suddenly get 2 or 3 catches on a end of game drive with a meaningless TD.  Poof...his season end totals look relevant, but they were not.  

Idk about this.

 

He gave Revis a lot of trouble 

[Gugny]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Stevie is so overrated.  His 1000 yards seasons are maybe the 3 weakest in NFL history.  So much gets made of that and it was so over hyped.  I mean he never even reached 1100 yards despite being on a pass happy team allergic to running the ball as the #1 WR.  And in all 3 1000 yard seasons, a good percentage of his production came in garbage time late in games when the game was already decided.  

 

There is a reason he was out of the league 2 years after Buffalo despite going to play in good offenses.  Stevie Johnson was really a decent #3 WR at best who got to be WR1 on a team devoid of options.  And that team was not very good, so they got behind a lot giving him chances to pad underwhelming stats late in games when the game was out of reach.  He would have like 0-2 catches all game, then suddenly get 2 or 3 catches on a end of game drive with a meaningless TD.  Poof...his season end totals look relevant, but they were not.  

I think it’s worth noting that Johnson’s 1000 yard seasons came during the Fitz era.
 

That said, I think it’s safe to say that if he was on a good team with a good QB, his numbers would have been top WR numbers.
 

But just taking the “if” game out of it, his stats are his stats. Everyone has garbage time stats.
 

No one has three 1000 yard seasons purely based on luck and /or circumstance.

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I think it’s worth noting that Johnson’s 1000 yard seasons came during the Fitz era.
 

That said, I think it’s safe to say that if he was on a good team with a good QB, his numbers would have been top WR numbers.
 

But just taking the “if” game out of it, his stats are his stats. Everyone has garbage time stats.
 

No one has three 1000 yard seasons purely based on luck and /or circumstance.

Stevie Johnson was the perfect Storm of right place at the right time

 

He’s a good receiver no doubt… But he absolutely benefited from a super weak receiving core and Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

They were scout team teammates together… when fitz was a back up he was throwing the ball to Stevie every day

 

They got insane chemistry…. When fitz became starter…. The only guy he trusted was Stevie Johnson

 

And fitz has played a lot a good football over 15 years…. Fitzs ball placement and Stevie savviness were a match made in heaven

 

His production is not matched anywhere else with any other quarterback

[Freddie's Dead]

The thing that made Stevie unique, and drove coaches nuts, was his non-standard way of running routes.  He always got to the spot, but he took a unique path that wasn't on any route tree (which is why Revis couldn't cover him).  Fitz was smart enough to figure that out, which is why he and Stevie made such a great pairing.  Fitz could always find Stevie open, wherever he was on the Stevie route tree.  It's also why Stevie's career didn't go too much longer after he left the Bills.  Stevie was a very good WR, but he needed the right kind of QB to take advantage of that very unique skill set.

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I think it’s worth noting that Johnson’s 1000 yard seasons came during the Fitz era.
 

That said, I think it’s safe to say that if he was on a good team with a good QB, his numbers would have been top WR numbers.
 

But just taking the “if” game out of it, his stats are his stats. Everyone has garbage time stats.
 

No one has three 1000 yard seasons purely based on luck and /or circumstance.

 

Well he played with Philip Rivers after and then was out of the league.

 

And no, it is not the same thing.  Like Stevie literally would have 0 catches or 2 catches for 13 yards and then on the final drive in 3 score loss would get 3 catches for a TD.  I posted ALL the time about it when it was happening.  

 

He was nowhere near a top WR, and he was only WR1 here by default and was an average #3 WR at best.  He never reached 500 yards again after leaving Buffalo and was out of the league 2 seasons later for good.  

 

Go back and look at his game logs during those 3 seasons of barely reaching 1000 yards.  More than half his stats came in the 4th quarter of bad losses when the game was out of reach after being a ghost the rest of the game before it got out of reach. 

 

Stevie is easily the most overrated player in Bills history and his 3 consecutive 1000 yard seasons are probably the least impressive 3 consecutive 1000 yard seasons in NFL history.  Prime Stevie Johnson would be WR4 on this years Bills team, a team everyone says desperately needs to find a new #2 WR.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

28 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The thing that made Stevie unique, and drove coaches nuts, was his non-standard way of running routes.  He always got to the spot, but he took a unique path that wasn't on any route tree (which is why Revis couldn't cover him).  Fitz was smart enough to figure that out, which is why he and Stevie made such a great pairing.  Fitz could always find Stevie open, wherever he was on the Stevie route tree.  It's also why Stevie's career didn't go too much longer after he left the Bills.  Stevie was a very good WR, but he needed the right kind of QB to take advantage of that very unique skill set.

To this day I’ve never seen a WR run routes the way Johnson did. It was hard to run press coverage on him because he would just juke out the DB taking 4 or 5 steps running backwards/spinning around before even breaking off into his route. It’s like him and Fitzpatrick were playing street ball out there. I know people will say he only got around 80 yards and a TD against Revis each game, but nobody was even coming close to that at the time. As somebody posted earlier, you don’t get 3 straight 1K seasons on accident. With the way Josh Allen improvises on the fly I think him and SJ would’ve made an interesting tandem. People just don’t want to be reminded of the drought years anymore, but there was a handful of really special players on those teams. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Idk about this.

 

He gave Revis a lot of trouble 

 

No disrespect...but did he really?

 

For all this talk about him vs Revis, they only played each 5 times due to one of them not playing in the game.  But here are Stevies averages in the games against the Jets when Revis played.

 

Record:  0-5

Rec:  3.6

Targets:  7.4

Catch %:  48%

Yards per game:  47

Touchdowns:  0.6

 

This whole lore about him getting the best of Revis literally came off one game where he had 75 yards and a TD where he got a TD on Revis in a game we lost.  And some of the stats he got above were at the end of multiple score losses when Revis wasn't even in the game anymore.

 

So no disrespect, but this notion he gave Revis trouble is more fan lore than fact.  

 

 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect...but did he really?

 

For all this talk about him vs Revis, they only played each 5 times due to one of them not playing in the game.  But here are Stevies averages in the games against the Jets when Revis played.

 

Record:  0-5

Rec:  3.6

Targets:  7.4

Catch %:  48%

Yards per game:  47

Touchdowns:  0.6

 

This whole lore about him getting the best of Revis literally came off one game where he had 75 yards and a TD where he got a TD on Revis in a game we lost.  And some of the stats he got above were at the end of multiple score losses when Revis wasn't even in the game anymore.

 

So no disrespect, but this notion he gave Revis trouble is more fan lore than fact.  

 

 

You are really gonna pin W-L records on a WR? Also, that TD was the only one Revis gave up the ENTIRE year. Of course those stats look pedestrian because people forget just how dominant he was during the 2011 season routinely shutting down the most elite WRs. Revis was not just the best CB, but perhaps the best player in the NFL in his prime if you look at the difficulty of the position and the production versus him and his counterparts. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The thing that made Stevie unique, and drove coaches nuts, was his non-standard way of running routes.  He always got to the spot, but he took a unique path that wasn't on any route tree (which is why Revis couldn't cover him).  Fitz was smart enough to figure that out, which is why he and Stevie made such a great pairing.  Fitz could always find Stevie open, wherever he was on the Stevie route tree.  It's also why Stevie's career didn't go too much longer after he left the Bills.  Stevie was a very good WR, but he needed the right kind of QB to take advantage of that very unique skill set.

Injuries derailed his career after he left Buffalo as Rivers was way better than Fitz.  I agree that his unorthodox route running helped him easily beat press coverage and helped him three peat with those 1000 yard seasons.

[HugeHeffner11]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

hold your breath.   Haven't any of you people watched?  If you have been paying attention you would have noticed that McDermott and Beane are terrible at drafting players.  Look at the high picks.  Twos and threes have almost all been busts or close to it.  Even the ones with the exceptioon of ONLY ONE GUY, Joshlen have been nothing to write home to motom about.  The Beaner and McNumbnutz got lucky with Josh Allen.  They stepped in a bucket of poop and came out smelling like a rose.  No one else in America thought Josh was going to be a great quarterback.  Not according to what he showed in college.  The guy who trained Josh in California every off season was a miricle worker. He took Josh who was an average to below average college quarterback and turned him into a superstar! He and Josh through HARD work made Josh one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.  But other than Josh the majority of their draft picks were big time duds or busts.  Bernard is going to be another one.  He is slow and too small.