27 may be obvious even if unexpected

[TheBeaneBandit]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

No, simply not true. 

 

Rousseau is no JAG, that's simply nonsense. Elam looked like by the end of the year he'd figured zone out a bit, and that was his weakness. He was one of the few to play really well against Cincy. Looks like he's going to be a very good one.

 

Those two and Tre White (excuding the trade for Diggs) are the only three first rounders we got in the 20s, and not a single one can be accused of being a JAG, though Elam still has some things to prove.

The way Rousseau disappeared the rest of the year after Von went down and especially the Cincinnati game against guys off the street left a very bad taste in my mouth. I want the kid to succeed so bad but that was rough. Big year ahead for a few of our young dlinemen...

[UKBillFan]

It's probably been said in the six pages already but we're basically going to treat Josh like the Packers treated Rodgers when they drafted Love? Only Josh is much younger.

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

It's probably been said in the six pages already but we're basically going to treat Josh like the Packers treated Rodgers when they drafted Love? Only Josh is much younger.

 

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

It's probably been said in the six pages already but we're basically going to treat Josh like the Packers treated Rodgers when they drafted Love? Only Josh is much younger.

Inaccurate assessment of the original post.

[Doc]

The real discussion on Hooker is does he even get drafted?  And if so, where on day 3?

[hondo in seattle]

Unless you need a QB, I think GMs should draft BPA in Round 1.  Round 1 is your best chance to add an All Pro to your roster.  Almost regardless of the position, it's better to draft an All Pro than an average starter or high quality backup at a position of need.  

 

If you need a QB, you gotta find a way to get the QB you want.  

 

If you don't need a QB, you don't draft one.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

Inaccurate assessment of the original post.

You don’t screw around with your franchise QB, period. It’s a different position. Even the most humble and down to earth QB’s have an ego.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

When he signs his rookie contract, will he be the highest paid hooker ever? 

14 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

You don’t screw around with your franchise QB, period. It’s a different position. Even the most humble and down to earth QB’s have an ego.

And let’s be real, Allen has a massive ego 😂

[zow2]

I like Bijan or Mayer but i don't think either will last to #27 in any scenario.  They are both game changing offensive talents and that's what teams are looking for.

[Johnnyp566]

18 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

they said the same thing about Lamar Jackson, till it got close to draft and people thought... he might sneak into round 1. To say "he is never going in the first round" is pure crystal ball garbage. you don't know what others feel and there desperate QB position.. with it only 4-7 spot move and maybe a desperate team having QB needs? I can see it, I could easy see this happening, 

Lamar Jackson and Hendon Hooker are not nor were they ever in the same class. Last year Malik Willis was a media fabrication and many moons ago so was Colt McCoy or Matt Barkley or Ryan Nassib. This happens every year. 

[PrimeTime101]

12 minutes ago, Johnnyp566 said:

Lamar Jackson and Hendon Hooker are not nor were they ever in the same class. Last year Malik Willis was a media fabrication and many moons ago so was Colt McCoy or Matt Barkley or Ryan Nassib. This happens every year. 

I never said they were in the class. go back and read.  and yes.. like i said.. every year  

[PrimeTime101]

7 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

All those guys came from strong drafts.  This one is weak.

This is nothing personal towards you ok? 

 

But.

 

This is just a big pile of trash. One big name says it in the press, then everyone starts saying it.. They grade the top 250, put a number to it then compare to other draft classes and then WALA all over the press they scream... "this is a bad draft class"  That is one big pile of doodoo. Most of this is said because of the QB and WR positions is not great this year, but there are a lot of other good positions. Everything on OL is deep. Everything on the DL is Deep. OLB's look really good this year. So do Safeties. 

 

Skilled positions? Yea... I could ride on that... but the draft in general? Bottom line? Who the hell knows... Noone has a crystal ball in their lap. 

 

You know what else happens when media screams bad draft class? The media that does the big scout reports you see online... They Dig more at false negatives and post it where when it's said there is a good draft class? you see the media put more false positive information on a scout report then negatives.  This is exactly why I do my own reports. 

[pennstate10]

18 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

The team may play a game of chicken hoping they can trade up to 28 instead of 27.  The Saints are a threat to take a QB.  Do you really think Beane is scared to play a game of chicken?  Do you really want a scaredy cat GM?

This is silly. I haven’t seen anything close to this strategy used since Eli Manning and John Elway, both >20 yrs ago. 
 

since that time, there have been 640 1st round picks made, by >100 different GMs. And not one has used this strategy. Not one. 
 

Because it’s effin stoopid!

[McBean]

On 4/8/2023 at 11:34 AM, 4merper4mer said:

This year’s draft it reputed to be weak in general.  The Bills, like every other team, have holes to fill but impact at 27 seems unlikely  in 2023.  There truly is only one choice to gain real value if he falls to 27:

 

Hendon Hooker.

 

QBs have value 10x any other position.  Will the value we get from Hooker arrive in 2023?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

The top option would be to not actually select Hooker but trade the pick to move down a little and get additional picks in 2024 from which we might derive value.

 

Next choice is to play a game of chicken with teams that think they can trade up in the 28-31 range and get him.  Remember Miami cheated so only 31 first rounders.  If they won’t trade with us, simply draft Hooker and hold him hostage for a few hours or up to a year.

 

The least likely but still realistic option is to draft Hooker and entertain the possibility of developing him and getting a King’s ransom for Allen in 2-3 years.  I don’t love this as I am a big fan of Josh, but it’s a business.

 

If Hooker is there at 27 our pick simply has to involve him via trade, extortion or true selection.  There is no way to get that amount of value from anyone else.  Crappy receivers, decent receivers that may still be there in the 2nd, running back, OL who may end up being matched by another guy in the 3rd?  Absolutely no way.  GAIN value for the team.

 

If Hooker is gone, which he probably will be, then we can be pedestrian.  If not, be bold.

[4merper4mer]

34 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

This is silly. I haven’t seen anything close to this strategy used since Eli Manning and John Elway, both >20 yrs ago. 
 

since that time, there have been 640 1st round picks made, by >100 different GMs. And not one has used this strategy. Not one. 
 

Because it’s effin stoopid!

Yes the Chargers were so stupid…..spelled correctly…..for getting a first round pick the following year.

[LyndonvilleBill]

What do you think we will do at 59? Maybe a RB?

Edited April 9, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

[Matt_In_NH]

We are married to Allen, no need to go to a hooker

[Norcalbillsfan]

I truly hope this guy is trolling to be funny. But if not? It's probably the right call, let's draft a guy that's already 25 and has been running a backyard football offense and use him to replace josh allen, a proven elite QB.

[Max Fischer]

At least everyone will stop rankingthe Packers as the worst late round pick. 

[ProcessTruster]

thnking  Beane will trade back, and then trade up enough to get Campbell in the second.   

 

He ends up with Campbell plus a full 7 picks.  Thats the way I see it.  Pretty simple.   Worst that can happen is we get 7 picks and Bernard takes over for Edmunds, which he was drafted to do anyway.  

Just now, ProcessTruster said:

Thinking  Beane will trade back, and then trade up enough to get Campbell in the second.   

 

He ends up with Campbell plus a full 7 picks.  Thats the way I see it.  Pretty simple.   Worst that can happen is we get 7 picks and Bernard takes over for Edmunds, which he was drafted to do anyway.   Bernand is just Edmunds with less range in coverage.   So what? -- the top QBs tore Edmunds up anyway, so what have we lost with Bernard?  not much if anything.   

 

Go score points.   Don't burn the house down getting defensive players for flag football pass defense.  

 

[LabattBlue]

On 4/8/2023 at 12:34 PM, 4merper4mer said:

This year’s draft it reputed to be weak in general.  The Bills, like every other team, have holes to fill but impact at 27 seems unlikely  in 2023.  There truly is only one choice to gain real value if he falls to 27:

 

Hendon Hooker.

 

QBs have value 10x any other position.  Will the value we get from Hooker arrive in 2023?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

The top option would be to not actually select Hooker but trade the pick to move down a little and get additional picks in 2024 from which we might derive value.

 

Next choice is to play a game of chicken with teams that think they can trade up in the 28-31 range and get him.  Remember Miami cheated so only 31 first rounders.  If they won’t trade with us, simply draft Hooker and hold him hostage for a few hours or up to a year.

 

The least likely but still realistic option is to draft Hooker and entertain the possibility of developing him and getting a King’s ransom for Allen in 2-3 years.  I don’t love this as I am a big fan of Josh, but it’s a business.

 

If Hooker is there at 27 our pick simply has to involve him via trade, extortion or true selection.  There is no way to get that amount of value from anyone else.  Crappy receivers, decent receivers that may still be there in the 2nd, running back, OL who may end up being matched by another guy in the 3rd?  Absolutely no way.  GAIN value for the team.

 

If Hooker is gone, which he probably will be, then we can be pedestrian.  If not, be bold.

Bad take. 👎🏻  Talk about clickbait. 😂